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Offline The Big Gimper

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1/72 Short Sudbury
« on: December 04, 2018, 02:48:26 AM »
This is a dedicated build thread for my Airfix Sunderland/Seaforth evolution into the Short Sudbury. 

Sudbury is a small market town in the English county of Suffolk. It is located on the River Stour near the Essex border, and is 60 miles (97 km) north-east of London.

Sudbury is also a city in Ontario known for it's nickel production that is a result of a massive meteor impact. Also known as the big Nickle.


Shackleton Griffons fit mostly perfectly in place of the Pegasus's. I cut back the Griffon to just behind the engine proper. 

And I bought a set of hollow punches a while back which can now be used to create covers for the way-too-many windows design. 7/32nds plus a slight window enlargement via Xacto blade.

Self defence will be upgraded with turrets from either a B-17 or Lancaster.

Weapons loadout is TBD but am thinking Tiny Tim rockets and maybe the ASM-N-2 Bat. And radar too. Bombs are so 1938.


PS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-N-2_Bat

PPS: https://www.shapeways.com/product/ZZXN9AUS3/1-72-scale-asm-n-2-bat-swod-mk-9-gluide-bomb


RCAF-Sunderland-MkX-04
by Big Gimper, on Flickr


RCAF-Sunderland-MkX-02
by Big Gimper, on Flickr


RCAF-Sunderland-MkX-01
by Big Gimper, on Flickr

I think I will use the larger tail as used on the Seaford. A Boeing 377 tail and stabilizers look to be good replacements.



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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2018, 05:49:02 AM »
This is going to be good!  :D
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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2018, 10:45:40 AM »
looks interesting

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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2018, 07:09:01 PM »
You had me at contra rotating  :o

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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2018, 09:32:39 PM »
Looks very plausable, love it.
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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2018, 08:34:50 AM »
That's a brilliant concept and I applaud your creativity, Mr Gimper!

More power is always good.

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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2018, 03:47:31 PM »
You had me at contra rotating  :o

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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2020, 03:17:58 AM »
Loving it so far. My late father was a Sunderland pilot, so make him proud!
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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2020, 11:32:57 AM »

RCAF-Sunderland-MkX-02
by Big Gimper

Yeah, about that...

Not sure how much work you want to do, or what kind of back story you're going to write, but here's a little info on the Sunderland, and why that arrangement could lead to some... 'interesting' times.

The prototype Sunderland MkI, K4774, had straight wings. Flew nicely. Then someone decided to add a stinger in the tail; a 4 gun Frazer-Nash turret. The weight of that shifted the C of G rearward, and the solution to that problem was to sweep back the wing leading edge to 4°, and it worked, but engine mounts remained in place, so that they were all now pointing 4° outwards. This introduced a quirk that new pilots had to used to. When there was a sudden reduction on the throttles, the nose of the aircraft momentarily pitched UP, rather than the customary down. Gentle use of the throttle was therefore needed on take-off and landing to prevent the possibility of contacting the water and 'porpoising'. With the added power of turbo-prop engines, that may be of greater concern.

Most people wouldn't know that, so you can probably ignore it. But I'm sure my dad would smile a bit!  ;)
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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2020, 04:23:33 PM »
Worthy project with good start.   Shackleton Griffon contra-prop power is way too get Sudbury moving.   Progress to report ?

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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2020, 10:24:46 PM »

Yeah, about that...

Not sure how much work you want to do, or what kind of back story you're going to write, but here's a little info on the Sunderland, and why that arrangement could lead to some... 'interesting' times.

The prototype Sunderland MkI, K4774, had straight wings. Flew nicely. Then someone decided to add a stinger in the tail; a 4 gun Frazer-Nash turret. The weight of that shifted the C of G rearward, and the solution to that problem was to sweep back the wing leading edge to 4°, and it worked, but engine mounts remained in place, so that they were all now pointing 4° outwards. This introduced a quirk that new pilots had to used to. When there was a sudden reduction on the throttles, the nose of the aircraft momentarily pitched UP, rather than the customary down. Gentle use of the throttle was therefore needed on take-off and landing to prevent the possibility of contacting the water and 'porpoising'. With the added power of turbo-prop engines, that may be of greater concern.

Most people wouldn't know that, so you can probably ignore it. But I'm sure my dad would smile a bit!  ;)

Not very hard to rectify though
« Last Edit: March 08, 2020, 10:26:46 PM by kitnut617 »

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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2020, 03:11:52 AM »
Nice! Looking good  :smiley:
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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2020, 03:44:52 AM »
Nice! Looking good  :smiley:

Concur that's a very clean wing mod indeed!

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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2020, 05:29:53 AM »
 :smiley: Looks good!
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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2020, 05:51:59 AM »
Being as how I was bought up in sudbury and even now only live 15 mins away I'm going to be watching this.

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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2020, 06:33:30 AM »
Nuts! My plan to procrastination on this project until 2030 is exposed.  Once the weather is better I'll get cracking on it.

@Dave: Thanks for the history on the swept wings.
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Re: 1/72 Short Sudbury
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2020, 08:52:07 PM »

interesting flying boat alternate version !