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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Sea => Topic started by: Story on January 18, 2021, 01:29:54 AM

Title: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: Story on January 18, 2021, 01:29:54 AM
R-218 was the first of the final series of R-boats (R218 to R300 weighed 140 tons and were 39.2 meters long).

Built at Burmester, Burglesum, launched 24.07.1943. Torpedoed off Cap d'Antifer in English Channel 19.08.1944

(https://i.imgur.com/YM43kcJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries ans Miscellaneous
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 18, 2021, 02:13:17 AM
Technically wouldn't the Indonesian Pulau Rau class be the final series of R-boats.  They were built 1954-57 and only retired in 1974.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Pulau_Rau_class_minesweeper%2C_Jalesveva_Jayamahe%2C_p37.jpg)
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries ans Miscellaneous
Post by: Story on January 18, 2021, 03:59:51 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on January 18, 2021, 02:13:17 AM
Technically wouldn't the Indonesian Pulau Rau class be the final series of R-boats.  They were built 1954-57 and only retired in 1974.
 

Wasn't even aware of them.

I thought the last usage was the Cypriot Civil War.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaethon_(patrol_boat)

Phaethon under air attack (sunk 8 August 1964 near Xeros by Turkish aircraft).
(https://i.imgur.com/7ww9hsG.jpg?1)

Arion (sunk 14 August 1974 by own crew at Naval Base "Chrysulis")
(https://i.imgur.com/p1M8OfS.jpg)
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries ans Miscellaneous
Post by: jcf on January 23, 2021, 06:17:42 AM
Quote from: Story on January 18, 2021, 01:29:54 AM
R-218 was the first of the final series of R-boats (R218 to R300 weighed 140 tons and were 39.2 meters long).

Built at Burmester, Burglesum, launched 24.07.1943. Torpedoed off Cap d'Antifer in English Channel 19.08.1944

(https://i.imgur.com/YM43kcJ.jpg)

The Räumbootes were designed as small minesweepers, not high-speed torpedo, patrol or attack boats.
I've created a new topic.
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 02, 2021, 02:30:19 AM
One I was not aware of until today:  The Indonesian Navy KRI Klewang-class fast attack craft:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fm2vUW548E0/UEiy1AB4H5I/AAAAAAAABDg/WuVLGoUqROw/s1600/63m+Fast+MissileTrimaran+Patrol+Vessel+-+in.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/X3K_Trimaran.jpg)

Unfortunately, it was destroyed back in 2012 only weeks after being launched:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pjTqAVZzp18/UGaBARtOvXI/AAAAAAAABEw/oWBjynvHFZc/s1600/kri-klewang-fire+28Sep12.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YhqQx9aHoU0/UGaBLOLI2BI/AAAAAAAABE4/yq5X-YekTvM/s1600/kri-klewang+fire+28Sep12a.jpg)

Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: elmayerle on March 02, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
You have to wonder who was afraid of it that much.
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: Volkodav on March 02, 2021, 08:01:39 PM
Quote from: elmayerle on March 02, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
You have to wonder who was afraid of it that much.

Austal?
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: jcf on March 05, 2021, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: Volkodav on March 02, 2021, 08:01:39 PM
Quote from: elmayerle on March 02, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
You have to wonder who was afraid of it that much.

Austal?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: jcf on March 05, 2021, 02:15:42 PM
Quote from: elmayerle on March 02, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
You have to wonder who was afraid of it that much.


Nobody, it burned up while being fitted out. The company that built it was setup by a couple
of Swedes and it was designed in concert with a naval architecture firm in New Zealand.

There was no skilled labour base so flat panel design for the all composite construction was
a given.

The Kiwi NA firm:
http://www.lomocean.com/projects/cutting+edge (http://www.lomocean.com/projects/cutting+edge)
http://www.lomocean.com/projects/defence (http://www.lomocean.com/projects/defence)
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: Volkodav on March 05, 2021, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: jcf on March 05, 2021, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: Volkodav on March 02, 2021, 08:01:39 PM
Quote from: elmayerle on March 02, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
You have to wonder who was afraid of it that much.

Austal?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Apart from hating competition on trimarans, Austal also has experience in highly flammable (well actually meltable) patrol boats.

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/navy-patrol-boat-hmas-bundaberg-catches-fire-while-undergoing-refit-at-hemmant-shipyard/news-story/db2e76f21bbd4568cc791d537c43642d (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/navy-patrol-boat-hmas-bundaberg-catches-fire-while-undergoing-refit-at-hemmant-shipyard/news-story/db2e76f21bbd4568cc791d537c43642d)

No great loss as the classes structural issues are so severe that burning to the ground (or waterline) actually makes very little difference to their capability or longevity.

Not saying Austal's political connections, rather than their performance, is what continues to get them contracts, but......
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 31, 2021, 03:27:58 AM
https://www.overtdefense.com/2021/08/24/pt-lundin-launches-trimaran-stealth-vessel-for-indonesian-navy/ (https://www.overtdefense.com/2021/08/24/pt-lundin-launches-trimaran-stealth-vessel-for-indonesian-navy/)
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: jcf on September 01, 2021, 07:47:26 AM
I wonder how long this one will last.  ;D

I have some serious doubts about the ‘stealth’ claims.
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: finsrin on September 01, 2021, 09:38:24 AM
Such pollution  :o      EPA would be on them like flies on dodo.
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: Story on August 14, 2024, 04:13:17 AM
Looks neverwhenish WWI Imperial German Navy through the lens of an A.I.

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/88/99/38/889938d638ac2ea9bf31088bc8a8fbab.jpg)

Also, tricky navigating

(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.sBjHO_1D6Kzt14uSoWrHuQHaDI?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain)

Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: Old Wombat on August 14, 2024, 06:17:06 PM
Why do people seem so intent on trying to get "AI" to do those most Human of activities, creativity & imagination?

Surely you want your AI to do all the menial, repetative tasks, so that Humans can be released from them to create & imagine?

Or have computer software developers become so robotic in their thought processes that the concept of imagination & creativity are now beyond them & they require machines to do it for them?
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: Kerick on August 14, 2024, 09:29:00 PM
The pics are the show off side which makes AI look good to the public.
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: Frank3k on August 14, 2024, 10:55:15 PM
I like to make fun of the current stupidity of our future AI Masters - while I can.
Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: Story on August 15, 2024, 03:10:41 AM
(https://media.tenor.com/1xYXpBzGSQoAAAAM/the-point-over-your-head.gif)

It's an illustration of a biggish torpedo boat ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo-boats_of_the_German_Navy_%281871%E2%80%931919%29 ) in a tiny Euro-river (what I would think of as a feeder canal or creek), rotting away in some worn-out Neverwhen.

You got a better illustration of that notion, do post it.

Title: Re: Minesweepers, Auxiliaries and Miscellaneous
Post by: Story on February 14, 2025, 08:07:38 AM
Opening and closing paragraphs

In the past half decade, innovators have heeded calls to increase the Navy’s ship count by putting containerized missiles on merchant ships. They have improved the weapons, drones, and sensors to the point the Navy is experimenting with mounting them on container ships.1 Even so, U.S. politicians, military leaders, and analysts continue to overemphasize the number of destroyers, cruisers, frigates, etc., the Navy needs. But the Navy has acknowledged it cannot meet its goal of 380-plus ships any time soon: In October 2024, Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Warfighting Requirements and Capabilities Vice Admiral James Pitts noted that, if the budget is kept at the projected level, that number would be unobtainable.2


In contrast, missile merchants would be low-value platforms of the type historically put at risk in great power conflict—consider the picket ships that screened the U.S. fleet during the Battle of Okinawa. In any naval fight some ships will have to be risked but, unlike those picket ships, missile merchants would pack a considerable offensive punch while being much tougher and needing smaller crews. And, given that electromagnetic sensors could have a hard time distinguishing them from what commercial ship traffic remains at sea, they might be more likely to persist forward. 
Converted merchant ships could be durable and inexpensive weapon “trucks.” Given modern containers’ interchangeability, this type of missile ship could become the most easily replaced and upgraded system in a fight.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2025/february/warship-weapons-merchant-ship-platforms?fbclid=IwY2xjawIbZ7dleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHaGvEWxFKbpFweZHd9UvijPbsYCE11cHuDzNDPLLPPf2huDNIxvbOAqWLg_aem_F8C8MrQLVoKh330wdwPa7w (https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2025/february/warship-weapons-merchant-ship-platforms?fbclid=IwY2xjawIbZ7dleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHaGvEWxFKbpFweZHd9UvijPbsYCE11cHuDzNDPLLPPf2huDNIxvbOAqWLg_aem_F8C8MrQLVoKh330wdwPa7w)


All the cool kids are already doing it

https://apnews.com/article/iran-drone-carrier-warship-c29e8460ebf2127afb99cf105b4027ba#:~:text=Named%20Shahid%20Bagheri%2C%20it%27s%20capable,increase%20Iran%27s%20power%20of%20deterrence. (https://apnews.com/article/iran-drone-carrier-warship-c29e8460ebf2127afb99cf105b4027ba#:~:text=Named%20Shahid%20Bagheri%2C%20it%27s%20capable,increase%20Iran%27s%20power%20of%20deterrence.)

See also https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=10983.0 (https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=10983.0)