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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2012, 04:43:50 AM

Title: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2012, 04:43:50 AM: An aircraft I have always liked the look of has been the Hawker Sea Hawk...so let's see your ideas for them.

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1178/5136503526_2ab8dfa105_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2012, 04:44:30 AM: To start with, how about a scale-o-ramed one as a V-bomber?
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on August 04, 2012, 04:55:52 AM: Quote from: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2012, 04:44:30 AM
To start with, how about a scale-o-ramed one as a V-bomber?

Might have better luck turning it into a competitor for the Canberra competition if you are going to use a dash of scale-o-rama.
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 04, 2012, 05:07:03 AM: Maybe...but it depends with what kit you begin with ;)
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on August 04, 2012, 05:28:13 AM: 1. Replace the Nene with a pair of small axials that are actually in the wing roots (like a Banshee), then fit a fuel tank in the top middle of the centre fuselage with a bomb bay beneath it. You now have a mini Buccaneer.... The only problem with this scheme is the lack of ground clearance in which to actually load the bombs, however....

2. As above, but add a fuselage/wing root plug amidships, then replace the outer wings with Skyhawk ones. The long undercarriage should give you all the clearance neccessary.
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on August 04, 2012, 12:26:40 PM: Fake prototype: extend and round out the wing tips, remove the vertical tail bullet, shorten and round the vertical tail. :-*

Pull the same thing Grumman did in the F9F series and sweep the flying surfaces. :icon_beer:
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 08, 2012, 09:41:50 AM: I intend to do a "back evolved" one as a P.1035 with Fury or Tempest wings.

Also, what studies were there for a two-seat version for the various missions where that would be preferable (and not just as a trainer)?
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on August 09, 2012, 04:16:56 AM: A pair of oldies of the P.1035 ...
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on August 09, 2012, 04:41:02 AM: Twin seat, USAF Vietnam. Underwing stores.
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on October 29, 2012, 02:05:27 PM: Mk.101 in service with the Royal Sahara Air Squadron.
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 30, 2012, 12:04:40 PM: Quote from: Weaver on August 04, 2012, 05:28:13 AM
1. Replace the Nene with a pair of small axials that are actually in the wing roots (like a Banshee), then fit a fuel tank in the top middle of the centre fuselage with a bomb bay beneath it. You now have a mini Buccaneer.... The only problem with this scheme is the lack of ground clearance in which to actually load the bombs, however....

2. As above, but add a fuselage/wing root plug amidships, then replace the outer wings with Skyhawk ones. The long undercarriage should give you all the clearance neccessary.
Perhaps a pair of Beryls? Much like the ones tested on that one Meteor prototype?
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on October 30, 2012, 01:08:14 PM: Quote from: elmayerle on October 30, 2012, 12:04:40 PM
Quote from: Weaver on August 04, 2012, 05:28:13 AM
1. Replace the Nene with a pair of small axials that are actually in the wing roots (like a Banshee), then fit a fuel tank in the top middle of the centre fuselage with a bomb bay beneath it. You now have a mini Buccaneer.... The only problem with this scheme is the lack of ground clearance in which to actually load the bombs, however....

2. As above, but add a fuselage/wing root plug amidships, then replace the outer wings with Skyhawk ones. The long undercarriage should give you all the clearance neccessary.
Perhaps a pair of Beryls? Much like the ones tested on that one Meteor prototype?

F.9/40 prototype DG204/G was powered by Metrovick F.2s, the F.2/4 'Beryl' was a developed version.
The Beryl powered the Saunders-Roe SR.A/1 flying boat fighter and a Meteor F.4 testbed (RA490).
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on October 30, 2012, 09:26:00 PM: Quote from: elmayerle on August 08, 2012, 09:41:50 AM
I intend to do a "back evolved" one as a P.1035 with Fury or Tempest wings.

Whereas I'm going the other way, the wings from a Sea Hawk onto a Tempest fuselage. The air intakes would be for low drag radiators and such, I'll modify the exhaust area so it's a variable duct outlet. Then I'll make it have tricycle u/c ---
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: arc3371 on November 02, 2012, 05:15:40 AM: A sea Hawk with Hunter wings?
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 02, 2012, 06:02:01 AM: That would kind of look like a Hawker P.1081:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Hawker_P.1081_in_flight_1950.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on November 02, 2012, 07:52:00 AM: Or the earlier P.1052 which retained the Sea Hawk's bifurcated exhuast.
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 02, 2012, 09:13:18 AM: Quote from: elmayerle on November 02, 2012, 07:52:00 AM
Or the earlier P.1052 which retained the Sea Hawk's bifurcated exhuast.

Agreed.

(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/PippinBill/7237L.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on November 02, 2012, 02:57:27 PM: Put the P.1052 with a swept wing Supermarine Attacker. Mmmmmm. :-*
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on November 02, 2012, 08:25:34 PM: Combine the p.1052 with the P.1072 that had a rocket in the tail, so you have swept wings, bifurcated jetpipes and rocket for boost....
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on February 16, 2017, 09:46:17 PM: I have previously wondered if the original Hawker hawk could have been deployed instead of the later Meteor models and been available for service in Korea? In the same slant, had the Hawk been ready earlier then maybe the Seahawk could have been too, or more to the point a P.1081 derived FAA fighter/attack aircraft at about the time the actual real world Seahawk entered service?
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: tankmodeler on February 17, 2017, 03:42:19 AM: Change the engine to the 50% more thrust Tay, increase wing size, strengthen structure for ground attack and add two more strengthened wing stations. Add armour to cockpit and engine.

Increased max payload to be 4 x 1000 lb + 4 x 500 lb bombs.

Add IRST sensors and weather radar in a lengthened nose to permit all-weather attack operations.

Fit wing tips for fuel tanks or Sidewinders (linked to the IRST sensor).

Add A2A refuelling probe.

With the larger wing and no need for carrier ops, you could move the landing gear out of the lower fuselage and take the jet pipe straight back, increasing available power and, in a fit of madness, allowing afterburning!

You end up with a slightly larger and (unfortunately) less attractive dedicated ground attack aircraft that could be competitive into the late 70s or very early 80s in low intensity conflicts.

Paul
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on February 17, 2017, 11:27:32 AM: My thinking is its too bad Hawkers couldn't have done more like Dassault and pumped out improved / new types every five years or less, i.e. Hawk, productionised P.1052 and P.1081, Hunter, radar Hunter, transonic Hunter, supersonic Hunter, as well as ground attack and naval variants of each with production continuing for the UK services and export customers through until the 70s.
Title: Re: Hawker Sea Hawk Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kelmola on February 17, 2017, 05:05:44 PM: Speaking of ground attack variants, I've been pondering to kitbash Strikemaster wings (and possibly tailplanes too) to a Hunter (and use the Hunter wings in another project) to create one.