Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: Geoff on May 12, 2012, 10:01:23 PM
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What if the PRC obtained some F-4's when they sold F-7's to Iran and reverse enginered them with Spey engines?
PLANAF J-4 Gui Lao's? :-*
Cheers Geoff
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Didn't Richard (aka Gekko1) profile just such??
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Didn't Richard (aka Gekko1) profile just such??
Quite probably, I rarely have really origional ideas :-[
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I wouldn't think of it that way...all ideas here are original!
A better way to think of it is: "Great minds think alike...or fools never differ!" ;)
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I cannot find one on here - I was thinking of a Spey engined F-4E, but with a 23mm twin barrelled cannon. A bit like these Yorkshire 'Tooms from Spinners on another site. Plus Chinese and Soviet missiles.
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Didn't Richard (aka Gekko1) profile just such??
Quite probably, I rarely have really origional ideas :-[
I have just checked back and actually you did the backstory in December '07, from a suggestion by Deino. I cannot find a profile of a Chinese 'Toom, but I do sort of remember one, (I blame the meds for poor memory and lack of creativness). Anyway appologies to both!
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Interesting! :)
How about something a little more radical than just re-engining? Inspired by the Chengdu J-9, how about a Spey-engined Phantom with the main wings moved back as far as possible and the stabilators (shortened, maybe) as canards?
Chengdu J-9
(http://a2.att.hudong.com/33/76/01300000190639122123762042115.jpg)
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Chinese Viggen! :o
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Yeah! (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Emoticons/w00t.gif) Awesome, innit? (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Emoticons/woo.gif)
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Merge a Viggen and a J-8II and you have that!
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Yeah! ([url]http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Emoticons/w00t.gif[/url]) Awesome, innit? ([url]http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Emoticons/woo.gif[/url])
Oh yes!
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On second thought, given that it's a true delta wing and with that big honkin' intake in the fin root, it might be more of of a Chinese Kfir. ??? Would explain the J-10 as the Chinese Lavi. ;D
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:icon_bofh:Actually your probably right...at first glance it looked to have twin engines but upon checking it only had one which puts it back in the Viggen class.
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Funny that folks still want to Spey the Phantom, because in the real world it did absolutely nothing positive
for the airframe.
Now a Chinese variant e-engined with something Russian has possibilities.
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Funny that folks still want to Spey the Phantom, because in the real world it did absolutely nothing positive
for the airframe.
Now a Chinese variant e-engined with something Russian has possibilities.
I was working on the basis that the PRC already built the Spey so its an easy fix if you want to reverse engineer a plane.
You are right the later models might well have been reengined with a soviet engine.
I sort of saw the Chinese use of the Phantom as a stop gap due to them falling behind with the cultural revolution for a decade or so until they built the Lavi.
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In a similar vein, being Spey-powered, what about having a Chinese A-7 and JH-7ing it up a bit?
(http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/118650148370193bj4.jpg)
(http://www.haf.gr/media/a7_tiger_meet_3.jpg)
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Yes I like taht idea as well.
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Funny that folks still want to Spey the Phantom, because in the real world it did absolutely nothing positive
for the airframe.
Not strictly true, actually: the Spey Phantoms had more thrust for take-off and better throttle response from low speed for a go-around, which were important considerations when operating from the much smaller RN carriers. Fuel consumption and acceleration were also better, and the Spey provided more air for the BLC system which lowered the landing speed. Of course, the high-speed drag penalties associated with the conversion were an unanticipated handicap....
As I've remarked elsewhere, if you wanted a low-risk, clean-sheet-of-paper, all-British, twin-Spey alternative to the Phantom, in a similar timeframe, you might well end up with something that looked very like the JH-7. I intend to build such a thing at some point.
For a "Chinese A-7", how about starting with a J-7 (MiG-21) shape, giving it a bigger intake and a Spey (converting an actual J-7 is probably not practical due to the Spey's diameter), and A-7-shaped wings for increased warload at the expense of top-end speed? Perhaps, model-wise, you could start with a late, big intake MiG-21 then fit it with the earlier non-radar centrebody to get the neccessary intake area?
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As I've remarked elsewhere, if you wanted a low-risk, clean-sheet-of-paper, all-British, twin-Spey alternative to the Phantom, in a similar timeframe, you might well end up with something that looked very like the JH-7. I intend to build such a thing at some point.
Hmmm...doing a JH-7 in RN FAA markings...