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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #375 on: June 27, 2023, 05:38:32 AM »
ARVN M41 Tiger’s Claw (Vuốt Hổ) Tank Destroyer Completion:

The existence of the ARVN’s M41 Tank Destroyer (TD) programme is inextricably linked to the US Army’s less than successful deployment of the M551 Sheridan to Vietnam and the introduction of the Gavin Armoured Reconnaissance/Airborne Fire Support Vehicle (AR/AFSV). A somewhat rash and misguided decision in the late 60s saw the US Army deploy several hundred M551 Sheridan reconnaissance vehicles into South Vietnam where they generally replaced M48s in the infantry support role. With its complex gun/missile armament and lightweight aluminium hull, it was a role for which the M551 was manifestly unsuitable. Nevertheless, the operational deployment continued while the replaced M48s were passed on to the ARVN to bolster their armoured corps which up until that point was still entirely reliant on the 76mm armed M41. The M48s were a welcomed addition to the ARVN inventory as encounters with NVA T-55s were become more frequent and, against such an opponent, the M41 was severely outmatched.

Realising the Sheridan’s short comings, the US Army eventually introduced a limited number of 105mm armed Gavin AR/AFSV which, in turn, freed up an equal number of M551 turrets. It was then that an aspiring member of the ARVN General Staff put forward a proposal to utilise the spare M551 turrets. Although the US Army was transferring M48s, the ARVN was still heavily dependent on its numerous but inferior M41 formations. What was needed was a long-range punch that could reach out and interdict the NVA’s heavy armour before they could engage the M41s. The proposal would see the M551 turrets mounted on spare M41 hulls (it is ironic that this very configuration had been used as a test bed for the early M551 turret development) and the reactivation of the MGM-51 Shillelagh missile as its primary long-range armament. It is a further irony that it would be the ARVN and not the US Army that ended up utilising the M81E1 152mm gun/launcher in its intended AT role. As a TD, the M41 Tiger’s Claw proved itself most capable although it was never available in the numbers needed to make any significant difference to the eventual outcome of the war.

It should be noted that the gun/missile launcher’s slow breach cyclic rate (2 rpm) was less of an issue in the TD role as missile time of flight and a general shoot and scoot employment tactic made a rapid rate of fire less critical. Furthermore, the heavier steel hull of the M41 gave a steadier platform when firing the M657 HE or M625 canister round and thus there was less of an issue in throwing off the missile guidance optronics. Given its heavier reliance on missiles, the M41 TD’s standard load was 15 x Shillelagh missiles and a mix of 6 x M657/M625 rounds.

The model depicts a vehicle of the 2nd Squadron, ARVN 11th Armoured Cavalry Regiment circa 1972 and is made up from the hull of a Tamiya M41, the turret of a Tamiya M551 and, as always, some bits of plastic/styrene card.







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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #376 on: June 27, 2023, 05:42:38 AM »
Phar Lap Completion:

When Japan entered the war on 7 December 1941, Australia found itself with a powerful aggressor much closer to home that had been the case for the first two years of warfare. The Australian Army was renowned for its fighting spirit but was primarily an infantry-based force with next to nothing in the way of armoured assets and little in the way of home-based heavy industry to take up the slack. So it was that when the British started to withdraw the A12 Matilda from front-line service in late 1941 and replace them with the lighter and less costly Valentine tank, the Australian government was only too happy to take what it could get.

With no comparable opposition to the panzers they had faced in North Africa, the Matildas served the Australian Army well with their heavy armour being able to withstand just about anything the Japanese could throw at them. However, the Matilda was far from perfect. The heavily armoured side skirts made the vehicle heavier than it needed to be and any sort of track maintenance in the close terrain the Australians found themselves in was all but impossible. Indeed, breakdowns and unserviceability accounted for the vast majority of Matilda losses. To make matters worse, the long-standing problem with the 2pdr main gun and its lack of HE ammunition severely limited the Matilda’s effectiveness in prosecuting its primary infantry support role.

Meanwhile back in Britain, the Vulcan Foundry – primary makers of the A12 Matilda – found themselves with dwindling orders but with the capacity and eagerness to do more for the war effort. Fortuitously, it was about then that a delegation from Vickers (designers of the Valentine) and the Royal Arsenal (designers of the Matilda) met over a particularly strong cup of tea. Both teams had been mulling over the reports coming back from the Australians and their experiences with the venerable Matilda. While Vickers would have preferred the Australians to adopt their Valentine tank (as New Zealand had done), they accepted some of the advantages highlighted of the more heavily armoured Matilda design. In turn, the Royal Armoury team praised its own creation but acknowledged the limitations, and cost, of its complex design and poor maintenance record. In a rare case of compromise through necessity, common sense prevailed and a new design, designated A23, Tank, Infantry, Mk V was proposed for Commonwealth use in SE Asia that would effectively meld the running gear of the Valentine to the upper hull of the Matilda. Noting the Australian Army’s preference for the few 3” howitzer armed Close Support Matildas they had in service the decision was also taken to produce the bulk of the A23s with the 3” gun.

By early 1943, the Vulcan Foundry was back in full production. In recognition that the new vehicle was to be used primarily in the SE Asian theatre (a few A23s were supplied to the USSR under the lease-lend programme), the Australian Army were given the honour of selecting a name. Called after the race horse of the same name, the ‘Phar Lap’, proved a great success and was well liked by both the tankers who operated them and the infantry they supported. Although no mention was made at the time, it is now generally accepted that the selection of the name Phar Lap was more than just a little tongue in cheek as the A23 was still no racing snake! Nevertheless, A23, Phar Laps remained in service with the Australian Citizens Military Force until finally retired in 1960.

The model is made from parts of a Tamiya Matilda Mk III/IV, a Bronco Valentine Mk XI and the ubiquitous plastic card and depicts vehicle 19021 (Brassiere), a Phar Lap of 9 Troop, B Squadron, 2/4 Armoured Regiment as she appeared early in the fighting for Bougainville in 1945.







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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #377 on: June 27, 2023, 05:49:13 AM »
Canadian Wolverine Mk IIIa Completed:

From a great idea and inspiration by Garrison and cortz#9 over at alternativehistopry.com - my thanks to both of them:

An extract of @Garrison 's TL - Munich Shuffle: 1938-42​

In the Autumn of 1940 once making peace was rejected Britain had little choice but to fight on alone. This was true in the technical sense that the British had been stripped of foreign allies, though some would question even that given the actions of the USA, but this was a very narrow definition of fighting alone and of what constituted an ally. There is a famous cartoon from 1940 by Kenneth Bird that has the caption, "So our poor little empire is alone in the world?" "Aye, we are - the whole five hundred million of us." The British Empire was not a foreign power but it was a massive source of strength in Britain’s war effort and without it Britain’s ability to take the fight to the Axis before the entry of the USA into the war would have been reduced or even eliminate altogether in some theatres of combat.​
When Neville Chamberlain launched his efforts to strengthen the British military at the end of 1938 his plans were not simply aimed at the British Army, Royal Navy, and RAF. The armed forces of the Imperial Dominions and India would also be subject to political persuasion and financial incentives to build up their military capacity. This was every bit as important as any of the new weapons or increased production of existing ones that flowed from British factories and dockyards under what in later decades was referred to as the ‘Chamberlain Mandate’. Some of these nations were more willing and able to follow Britain’s lead than others, but the contributions made by the ‘colonials’ was immense.​

Canada passed its own version of the Military Training Act in March 1939, with the major difference being that it encompassed men between 18 and 22 from the outset. This slightly broader range reflected both Canada’s smaller population and a desire to target young men who were without any gainful employment and there was a greater emphasis than in Britain on training men as mechanics and other supporting trades the army would need in wartime. This also had the bonus that it meant there would be less need to tap into skilled men already working in vital industries should it be necessary to mobilize for war. The Canadians took things even further than London had originally envisioned by seeking to build up their own production of armoured fighting vehicles. Several plans were discussed before the Canadians settled on producing their own version of the Valentine tank, chosen because it was intended to be simpler and cheaper to build than the Matilda II from the outset and the Canadian Army wanted an infantry support vehicle. This meant that in additions to modifications to the design to take account of the different engines and gear train available in Canada they also chose to produce a version fitted with a large calibre, short barrelled, howitzer style weapon, not dissimilar in purpose to the 75mm fitted to the early Panzer IV. The bureaucracy in London simply wanted to name this model as the Valentine Infantry Tank Mk III(Special). The Canadians were unhappy with this rather uninspiring name and successfully lobbied for their own alternative, the tank would enter service as the Wolverine Mk IIIa Infantry Tank.​

I have followed Canadian/Commonwealth armoured doctrine as faithfully as possible for the time period (early 1940s) and what may appear to be an odd choice of colour is in fact 100% accurate. The colour is Standard Camouflage Colour (SCC) No 2 - Service Colour/Dark Brown. The basic colour for all British/Commonwealth armoured vehicles was changed in 1941 from dark green to a dark brown (SCC No 2) due to the shortages of chromic oxide, used in the production of green paint. Existing stocks of green were reserved for use on combat aircraft. Doctrinally, each armoured squadron would have 2 x Close Support (CS) tanks within the Squadron HQ, giving each armoured regiment a total of 6 x CS vehicles.

The model depicts vehicle T22152 (Gorilla) of A Squadron, 22 Armoured Regiment (The Canadian Grenadier Guards), 4th Canadian Armoured Division and is made from the hull and turret of a Tamiya Valentine Mk II/IV and the gun from a Tamiya M8 HMC. Note: For the detail ninjas, the red and white markings are not some sort of take on Canadian flags (the red/white/red with red maple leaf was not adopted by Canada until 1965) but is rather the recognition markings of the Royal Armoured Corps/Royal Canadian Armoured Corps. These markings were, generally, removed later in the war but even during the Normandy campaign (by which time Commonwealth AFVs were universally olive drab in colour) it was not unusual to see them - although usually somewhat more discrete.







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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #378 on: June 27, 2023, 06:08:24 AM »
Well welcome back.. and what a homecoming  :smiley:

Love 'em all, with particular nod to the Gavin. Another of those "Why not" rather than "what if"


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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #379 on: June 27, 2023, 06:19:09 AM »
Well welcome back.. and what a homecoming  :smiley:

Love 'em all, with particular nod to the Gavin. Another of those "Why not" rather than "what if"

Thanks mate, much appreciated!  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #380 on: June 27, 2023, 06:10:52 PM »
A-and he's back! 8)

Not content to slide in quietly, he dumps a load of excellent heavy metal on us! :D

Fantastic stuff, mate! Love 'em all! :-*




[Note: The Gavin may, also, be construed as a bit of a swipe at a certain gentleman who insisted that this is/should be the name attached to the M113. ;) ]
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #381 on: June 27, 2023, 07:38:33 PM »
A-and he's back! 8)

Not content to slide in quietly, he dumps a load of excellent heavy metal on us!  :D

Fantastic stuff, mate! Love 'em all! :-*


Many thanks and good to be back!  :smiley:

[Note: The Gavin may, also, be construed as a bit of a swipe at a certain gentleman who insisted that this is/should be the name attached to the M113. ;) ]

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #382 on: June 28, 2023, 02:25:05 AM »
Some great work there.  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #383 on: June 28, 2023, 04:58:16 AM »
Indeed! Along with the Claymore build-quality we'd become accustomed to, fantastic backstories to all three of these. Great, great stuff!

Your ARVN M41/M551 hybrid is brilliant!

Phar Lap: Amazing what a truely strong cup of tea can accomplish  :smiley:

Wolverine: My personal fav! And know I finally understand the switch to SCC 2 Dark Brown! (Obvious, now that you've explained it.) Personal fav on backstories too.  :D
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #384 on: June 28, 2023, 05:57:18 AM »
Indeed! Along with the Claymore build-quality we'd become accustomed to, fantastic backstories to all three of these. Great, great stuff!

Your ARVN M41/M551 hybrid is brilliant!

Phar Lap: Amazing what a truely strong cup of tea can accomplish  :smiley:

Wolverine: My personal fav! And know I finally understand the switch to SCC 2 Dark Brown! (Obvious, now that you've explained it.) Personal fav on backstories too.  :D

Many thanks!

There are 3 more on the tail end of page 15 too - the Buzdygan, Norwegian M41 DK-2 and Gavin Fire Support Vehicle…
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #385 on: June 28, 2023, 09:00:06 AM »
The Buzdygan is confusing (in a good way) it's German! No, Russian! Looks a bit British...

The M41 variations (Danish and ARVN) are fantastic! The other tanks are great, too.

Good to see you posting again.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #386 on: June 29, 2023, 12:31:24 AM »
The Buzdygan is confusing (in a good way) it's German! No, Russian! Looks a bit British...

The M41 variations (Danish and ARVN) are fantastic! The other tanks are great, too.

Good to see you posting again.

Cheers mate!  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #387 on: June 29, 2023, 08:37:28 PM »
Good to see you back and building!

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #388 on: July 01, 2023, 10:45:07 PM »
So much good stuff!  :icon_beer:
If I had to pick favourites, they'd be the Danish M41s and the Buzdygan KV-1/Pz IV hybrid.
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #389 on: July 02, 2023, 09:52:04 PM »
 Thanks mate, much appreciated!  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #390 on: July 07, 2023, 11:31:19 PM »
Norwegian Truge (from a great idea by deLanglade ):

Inspiration for the model:



Backstory:

In 1938, the Norwegian government realized it was woefully unprepared if any real conflict erupted in Europe. Being a very poor nation at the time, a public appeal went out for donations in materials, time, and money to strengthen the countries defences. Word of this soon reached the Norwegian Diaspora worldwide, and various fraternal organizations began to contribute to the effort.

The Norwegian Army processed only a few armoured cars, and a single tank. Even though more tanks were desired, they were very expensive and funds were deemed better suited spent elsewhere. However, in late 1938, a group of Norwegian American discovered that large numbers of tanks had been mothballed by the US Army since the beginning of the Great Depression. They contacted the War Department with the hopes of having some of them declared surplus and available for purchase. Long story short, the War Department agreed to sell twenty M1917 6-Ton tanks to the Norwegian government as "Scrapped Machinery," at a price of $200 each. As such, the weapons were removed, as were the engines. Additionally, three redundant M2A3 (Mae West) turrets were purchased in order to facilitate three ‘command’ vehicles. The hulls and turrets were delivered to the Diamond Iron Works in Minneapolis, where they were refitted as much as possible and made ready for sale. The work was done on a short budget, and a lot of ingenuity was shown in the work. Originally equipped with a 4 cylinder, 40HP Buda engine, the tanks were repowered with 85hp V-8 Ford engines pulled from scrapyards and wreckers across the Midwest. Gun mounts were modified to accept the standard M29 Browning machine gun, which were in Norwegian service at the time. Funds accumulated from donations were enough to purchase three commercial Browning .50 HB machine guns from Colt, which were installed in the M2A3 turrets and attached to the "best-of-the-best" machines.

Six machines were given a much more radical set of modifications. New girder sections were created that moved the track frame assemblies out from the hull by approximately 14 inches on each side. Then, in a practice that was by that time somewhat common in the northern US and Canada, 36" long cleats of white oak were bolted to the track links to create an extra-wide track. The cleats, 2" thick by 6" wide, featured sharpened pointed bolt heads to give grip on icy surfaces. With these extra wide tracks, the ground pressure of the machines was reduced to 2.5psi - barely a third of the machines original pressure. This, along with the increased power of the Ford engine, meant that the already nimble M1917 was able to cross over deep snow and soft, marshy terrain with near impunity. It was christened the M1939, but was quickly given the moniker of Truge (snowshoe).

The twenty M1917's were delivered to Norway in February of 1939. Once unloaded, the entire contingent formed an impromptu parade and drove from the dockyards through downtown Oslo to the Royal Palace, where they were inspected by King Haakon VII personally. They remained at the palace in Oslo for three days, where they became an instant attraction for the local residents. It is generally accepted that it was the King himself who said that the three command variants should be named ‘Odin’, ‘Thor’, and ‘Loki’ respectively. While well received by the public, the army was less certain of the usefulness of the machines. One main problem is they just didn't know what to do with the things in the presumably defensive battles that war would bring. The parade through Oslo assured that they were not in any way a military secret, which in some ways worked out for the best. The German Ambassador was unimpressed, stating that a "pack of slow, worn-out tractors is no concern of ours," while the Military Attaché said that the M1917's were "quite impressive, as scrap iron goes."

Soon, the Norwegian Army transferred the machines to various bases throughout the country and began to develop their tank doctrine. Immediately, it was found that the regular M1917 tanks - rechristened the M39 in Norwegian service - were fairly capable machines on snow covered roads, but rapidly became stuck if the snow became more than 1m deep. The six tanks equipped with the wide track extensions - the Truge - were something else, altogether. While slow, they were able to traverse any depth of snow encountered. The wide tracks gave them exceptional stability on slopes, and the combination of traction and flotation allowed them to climb ski slopes and pack trails for skiers. Indeed, though the winter and spring of 1939, a tactic was developed of using the Truge as armoured snow tractors. One Truge could tow a field cannon and limber (the wheels replaced on the artillery replaced with skis), up to three sledges for supplies, or an entire squad of rifleman on skis as they clung to ropes behind the machine. By spring thaw, some interesting notions of rapid deployment of ski troops supported by the Truge were in the works. Indeed, during the summer an additional six machines were converted to the Truge configuration.

Operationally the new Panserbatalijonen (Armoured Battalion) was deployed in three Stridsvogneskadronen (Armoured Squadrons), each of two troops of three tanks with the lead tank of the first troop being one of the 0.5"-armed command tanks - two 0.3"-armed M1939s were held by the training school. The 2nd and 3rd Squadrons were fully converted to the Truge variant.

When Germany inevitably invaded, Norway's new armoured force was still in its infancy but met the challenge head on.  Tank for tank, the M1939s were never going to be a match for the German's panzers and with little in the way of tactical doctrine and/or operational experience it was only a matter of time until they were overwhelmed. Nevertheless, the M1939s, and the Truge variants in particular, performed well in their intended infantry support and artillery tractor roles. The only documented tank on tank success occurred when 1st Troop of the 2nd Squadron ambushed a German supply column heading out of Lillehammer.  Thor engaged a Panzer II from close-range and penetrated its side armour causing an internal fire and explosion that destroyed the vehicle.  This photograph was taken two months later after the snows had melted.



The model depicts ‘Loki’ the command vehicle of the 3rd Stridsvogneskadronen (Armoured Squadron) of the Panserbatalijonen (Armoured Battalion) as she was when discovered in a farmer’s barn in the high meadows of the hinterlands of Narvik in 1951. She now resides in the Norwegian Armed Forces Museum in Oslo.

The model is adapted from the excellent Meng FT-17 kit, some plastic card and tubing.









Alternative ending: The model depicts the 2nd vehicle of the 3rd Stridsvogneskadronen (Armoured Squadron) of the Panserbatalijonen (Armoured Battalion) as she was when discovered in a farmer’s barn in the high meadows of the hinterlands of Narvik in 1951. She now resides in the Norwegian Armed Forces Museum in Oslo.





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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #391 on: July 08, 2023, 12:37:31 AM »
Neat story but I really love the Truge (both versions)! 8) :-*

However, you failed to say how they fared during the German invasion of Norway ... Or did their mere presence prevent that? ???
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #392 on: July 08, 2023, 12:48:05 AM »
Neat story but I really love the Truge (both versions)! 8) :-*

However, you failed to say how they fared during the German invasion of Norway ... Or did their mere presence prevent that? ???

Thanks mate and a very fair comment.  I will add an extra paragraph soonest!  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #393 on: July 08, 2023, 12:51:37 AM »
Wide tracks for the win! The look and the backstory are both excellent.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #394 on: July 08, 2023, 01:28:55 AM »
However, you failed to say how they fared during the German invasion of Norway ... Or did their mere presence prevent that? ???

Sorted and backstory amended.  :smiley:
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« Reply #395 on: July 08, 2023, 01:29:29 AM »
Wide tracks for the win! The look and the backstory are both excellent.

Many thanks!  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #396 on: July 08, 2023, 02:29:07 AM »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #397 on: July 08, 2023, 06:52:55 AM »
Like it, again a masterwork from Claymore Fabrications.

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« Reply #398 on: July 08, 2023, 06:59:20 AM »
Thanks, very much appreciated!  :smiley:
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« Reply #399 on: July 08, 2023, 10:57:46 PM »
However, you failed to say how they fared during the German invasion of Norway ... Or did their mere presence prevent that? ???

Sorted and backstory amended.  :smiley:

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