Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion

[elmayerle]

I think you're confusing two T-35 systems.  There's the EOS and there's the DAS.  The two are distinct and separate though the feed can be intermingled as the pilot desires.  DAS is a situational awareness system whereas EOS is a targeting and designating system.

For the radar, one thing that would make a big difference is replacing the mechanically-scanned antenna with an AESA one.  No external difference but major differences in radar performance and ability.

[Diamondback]

Evan, I had seen NG materials referring to it as "EODAS" (what other kind of DAS is there anyway? LOL)--both systems are going on anyway. LOL

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Well, I worked up a quick 3-view of a PL-ized E from some drawings on Wikipedia... sorry it's huge, but I haven't really had time to downsize and I find bigger images easier to work with adding details. (I still have some stuff to add later...)

Is there something futuristic in this design as could detect anything new?  No drag reductions..old radar...no advanced tail rotor.. no counter-rotating rotor etc...

Well, it's a mix of Pave Low V avionics and systems with the Super Stallion airframe and engines.  His next step, from what Diamondback has said, is another engine and an additional blade to the main rotor for his MH-53X.

Me, I'm playing with a nose similar to that of a "Hind A", as well as some gear from the ACH-47, for an AH-53E assault transport.

a design closer to Sikorsky's (Sikorsky H-53) new x2 designs or what a new old? kinda sleepy..

[elmayerle]

Evan, I had seen NG materials referring to it as "EODAS" (what other kind of DAS is there anyway? LOL)--both systems are going on anyway. LOL

Ah, the good folks in Baltimore strike again.  Yeah, the DAS has always, of necessity, been "EO".  DAS originally stood for "Dual Aperture System", a dual spectrum sensor set in one unit (large and weighty sucker, too - between that and the canopy mechanism, mounting the one in the forward center equipment bay in front of the cockpit was quite the chore).  NG has definitely evolved it nicely.

[elmayerle]

a design closer to Sikorsky's (Sikorsky H-53) new x2 designs or what a new old? kinda sleepy..

The intent is something that can slip in and out of normal operations without being especially noticeable.  Something like a scaled-up X2 would be very different and noticeable whereas something that looked similar to the CH-53 that "everyone knows" would not stand out near as much.

[Weaver]

How about an air-sea rescue (not CSAR) version based on the Sea Dragon airframe (big sponsons) AND a refuelling probe for maximum range?

[elmayerle]

How about an air-sea rescue (not CSAR) version based on the Sea Dragon airframe (big sponsons) AND a refuelling probe for maximum range?

Perhaps in USCG markings or equivalent markings from other countries?  I'm thinking one such in Canadian markings would look spectacular.

[GTX_Admin]

  I'm thinking one such in Canadian markings would look spectacular.

Agreed.  This scheme:

[Diamondback]

a design closer to Sikorsky's (Sikorsky H-53) new x2 designs or what a new old? kinda sleepy..

The intent is something that can slip in and out of normal operations without being especially noticeable.  Something like a scaled-up X2 would be very different and noticeable whereas something that looked similar to the CH-53 that "everyone knows" would not stand out near as much.

For example, one day a forward-deployed HMH squadron gets "just another Echo" on the patch and then for a few nights thereafter Taliban training camps start mysteriously being "erased from existence"... and nobody ever stops to consider that "the new heavy hauler on the strip" might be more than meets the eye.

[Volkodav]

Blackout form the Transformers movie?  Very good at making bases disappear.

[Diamondback]

Volkadov, hence the beast's name... though I'm explaining it as the AI didn't know the power of its own jammers and accidentally blacked out the entire county around the test site, and one of the techs tossed a snark about "Old Blackout over there" in the middle of the incident.

Definitely no "Giant Killer Robot mode", though, and as I've written it the machine (itself a film buff) likes to joke about "two steps ahead of that alien piece of scrap and all Home Team tech to boot."

[taiidantomcat]

From GTA 5

[GTX_Admin]

 

[jcf]

A Chop-Shop Special, how appropriate for that game series.

[Diamondback]

Oh, I did notice something very interesting when I was looking at Pit-Road's 1/700 World Helicopter Collection box set... The CH-53 in that is distinctly an S-80 airframe and includes both CH- and MH-53E sponsons, but it also has a Pave Low nose section. WHIF In A Box?

Bonus for me, I also have several C-5s in that scale already to do a "loading up for transoceanic travel" display...

[kitnut617]

A MH CH I saw down in Yuma (Corrected -- thanks to diamondback)

[Diamondback]

Actually, just a standard CH-53E, not to be pedantic. Echoes (and still-in-build Kilos) are the only variants with the gull-wing horizontal stab, and it doesn't have the fat sponsons of the Sea Dragon or K-model.

[elmayerle]

I saw earlier this week that the Kilo ground test vehicle recently had all its dynamic components mated up and the first engine runs in all-up configuration.  The increase in engine power is definitely going to make a difference.  Bell is being asked to look at adopting a version of the same engine for an Osprey update.  Combined with some of the other efforts already in place, that could get "interesting", to say the least, since it would likely drive a re-design of much of the nacelle, including parts already being worked on as product improvements to address things missed in the original spec's.

[kitnut617]

Is there a fuselage cross-section diagram comparing the difference between the 'E' and the 'K' ?

[elmayerle]

There may be, somewhere online.  As I remember it, the K is essentially the E lines with a new helicopter fitted into them and few, if any, parts interchangeable between the two models.

[Diamondback]

K is about a foot wider in the cabin, though, so that you can roll a Hummer up inside IIRC. Echo, IIRC you can roll a smaller vehicle up the ramp but unless you have the door removed you're stuck in the car for the entire flight...

[kitnut617]

I just been reading up on the 'K' and an article said it has a bigger cabin area and was to be able to carry 'three times' as much load.  With almost twice the power now I would imagine something more was changed

[Diamondback]

Probably means triple by weight, not cubic inches--ISTR that fuel capacity and internal vehicle capacity were two of the main drivers in hull morphology, while maintaining a deck footprint no greater than an Echo.

I'll bet there's a lot beefier backbone carrying the drivelines and transmission for one... haven't seen anything about the rotor but I'd expect changes there. (Personally, I'd have gone up to an 8- or 9-blade rotor along with new blade technologies, allowing "headroom" for engine growth or development into a 4-engine superheavy-lifter variant, but then again I AM from the school of Nothing Begets Success Like EXCESS.)

[Diamondback]

Bell is being asked to look at adopting a version of the same engine for an Osprey update.  Combined with some of the other efforts already in place, that could get "interesting", to say the least, since it would likely drive a re-design of much of the nacelle, including parts already being worked on as product improvements to address things missed in the original spec's.

Second test ship, then, one for as-designed and one to develop the GE38-powered variant? N410TR, maybe? LOL

[taiidantomcat]

Bell is being asked to look at adopting a version of the same engine for an Osprey update.  Combined with some of the other efforts already in place, that could get "interesting", to say the least, since it would likely drive a re-design of much of the nacelle, including parts already being worked on as product improvements to address things missed in the original spec's.

oh man