Author Topic: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion  (Read 24703 times)

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #75 on: May 02, 2016, 06:08:41 AM »
Would this also lead to a Westland Super-Weyland as a variant of the Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion?

Quite possibly, although by that point they may be comfortable re-using a name like 'Westland Wyvern' rather than going for super-something.

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #76 on: May 02, 2016, 07:36:59 AM »
What about a CH-53 based Rotodyne?
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #77 on: May 02, 2016, 08:54:30 AM »
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the rotor/blades/gearbox for the Westminster actually came from Sikorski, not sure if it was the Jolly Green Giant or the Mohave. But when the Westminster got cancelled it all was given back to Sikorski

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #78 on: May 02, 2016, 09:17:28 AM »
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the rotor/blades/gearbox for the Westminster actually came from Sikorski, not sure if it was the Jolly Green Giant or the Mohave. But when the Westminster got cancelled it all was given back to Sikorski
According to Wikipedia, they came from the S-56/CH-37 which is quite believable.  If Westland had received the go-ahead from the MOD for a UK license for the S-56 rather than just using portions in the Westminster, I wonder if they would have replaced the piston engines with turbines in that one, too?

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #79 on: May 02, 2016, 09:01:15 PM »
I have an old Revell CH-53G kit which I got for £cheap a few years back. My intention is to do it as an RAF Westland Weyland HC.1, the backstory being that after the first RAF Chinook buy was cancelled in the 1960s, Westland used it's Sikorsky connection to propose a licence-built CH-53 with more UK content, jobs and spend, and the government bit.

That would be great. Grey/green Falklands diorama... wheels are turning...


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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #80 on: May 04, 2016, 03:23:46 AM »
How about an ACH-53 equivalent to the ACH-47

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #81 on: May 26, 2016, 05:07:53 AM »
How about an Agusta Sikorsky AS-65 for the AMI and MM to replace the Pelicans in the C/SAR role and the ASW roles?????

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #82 on: May 26, 2017, 03:19:52 AM »
Anyone know if the S65/H-53 was ever fitted with skis for winter/arctic operations?  The CH-54 Tarhe/Skycrane was fitted with skis which is why I felt the need to ask.  Search engine results were abysmal. 
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #83 on: May 26, 2017, 02:05:28 PM »
I like the idea of a de-fuselaged skycrane variant of the CH-53 (as I do a CH-47!)
What about a winged variant of the Super Stallion - akin to the Mil Mi-6 'Hook', so as toto off-load the rotor system.

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #84 on: May 27, 2017, 03:27:25 AM »
Anyone know if the S65/H-53 was ever fitted with skis for winter/arctic operations?  The CH-54 Tarhe/Skycrane was fitted with skis which is why I felt the need to ask.  Search engine results were abysmal.


I haven't seen any photos of such - they all show it just operating with wheels.  Something like this CH-47 derivative would be cool though:



Maybe with a scheme similar to this:

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #85 on: May 27, 2017, 10:33:18 AM »
How about an ACH-53 equivalent to the ACH-47


Perhaps with a cockpit and canopy similar to that of the "Hind A", a smooth canopy with no step?

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #86 on: September 30, 2017, 03:54:04 AM »
Artist's impression of passenger Sikorsky S-65 based on the CH-53 Sea Stallion.

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #87 on: September 30, 2017, 03:57:40 AM »
 :smiley:
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #88 on: September 30, 2017, 04:14:17 AM »
It shouldn't be too hard to build. But I would keep the sponsons. Good for fuel and baggage. Also note the large cargo door?.
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« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2017, 06:10:48 AM »
It shouldn't be too hard to build. But I would keep the sponsons. Good for fuel and baggage. Also note the large cargo door?.


That fuselage shape of that concept is completely different, the proposed for production S-65-40 was
more in the vein of a stretched regular S-65. Note the different nose profile.



More  info at these links, the first two giving configuration details:
https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1972/1972%20-%202820.html

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1972/1972%20-%202821.html

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1972/1972%20-%202758.html


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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #90 on: October 01, 2017, 03:29:22 PM »
It shouldn't be too hard to build. But I would keep the sponsons. Good for fuel and baggage. Also note the large cargo door?.


That fuselage shape of that concept is completely different, the proposed for production S-65-40 was
more in the vein of a stretched regular S-65. Note the different nose profile.



More  info at these links, the first two giving configuration details:
https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1972/1972%20-%202820.html

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1972/1972%20-%202821.html

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1972/1972%20-%202758.html


No ship lift restrictions, so you could do away with tail folding mechanism = lighter, stronger configuration; eliminate main rotor folding arrangement......

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #91 on: October 01, 2017, 09:21:25 PM »
Thanks for the references Jon.

I don't think I am up to fuselage stretch but I will make an attempt to reshape the nose. Maybe add an external radar dome like some of the S-61s have.

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #92 on: October 01, 2017, 10:55:54 PM »
Loving these ideas! First company to make a styrene 53K is going to get a lot of my cash  >:D
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« Reply #93 on: October 02, 2017, 03:16:23 AM »
Loving these ideas! First company to make a styrene 53K is going to get a lot of my cash  >:D

Oh for sure I'd get one.

A neat display would be to build a CH-53D,  CH-53E and CH-53K and show examples of the external payloads*/**:

CH-53D: 8,000 lb or 3,630 kg
CH-53E: 13,500 lb or 6,100 kg
CH-53K: 27,000 lb or 15,900 kg

*: a total range there and back of 220 nautical miles/ 407 km, and 30 minute loiter at the landing zone, would have a maximum mission load of only 12.25t/ 27,000 lbs.
**: my numbers may be wrong. Still looking for a single authoritative source.
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« Reply #94 on: October 02, 2017, 04:04:10 AM »
I don't think I am up to fuselage stretch but I will make an attempt to reshape the nose. Maybe add an external radar dome like some of the S-61s have.

The external radome was an add on to the over-water/all-weather S-61 airliner versions because of
lack of room in the EE Bay, and the forward flight deck area immediately above. All of the flight/nav/radio
avionics added to those birds filled up an already space limited bay. A space with which I am intimately
familiar, having spent several weeks in one during a complete re-wire of a bare airframe, which was d
one on a very compressed schedule.
:-\ :-X

A great deal of the components we installed were taken from a beautiful North Sea transport bird, all
EE Bay cable runs in that bird were completely encased in wire braid to prevent/reduce electromagnetic
interference with the radios and nav avionics.

It was a shame to have to gut that bird, she was immaculate when she arrived and the interior was
gorgeous, super comfortable reclining leather passenger seats, a mini-galley/steward area and lav.

According to the Flight article, the intent of the lengthened nose on the S-65-40 was to be able to
incoporate all the civil avionics, including weather radar, within the EE Bay.
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #95 on: May 24, 2020, 04:30:58 AM »
Interesting snippet that could provide a trigger for a RAAF and later ARA CH-53:

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« Reply #96 on: May 24, 2020, 05:33:23 AM »

S-65 Super Skycrane
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« Reply #97 on: May 24, 2020, 05:37:28 AM »

CH-53E Super Tahre (fixed)
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #98 on: May 24, 2020, 05:46:12 AM »
More appropriate to call it the CH-54 Super Tarhe or Erickson Sikorsky S-64 Super Sky Crane :smiley:
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« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2020, 05:58:06 AM »
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