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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2014, 01:37:39 AM »
I'd also expect re-engining to mean beefing up the cross-connect drivelines, which in turn means a wing redesign to accommodate them...

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2014, 02:25:51 AM »
Is there a fuselage cross-section diagram comparing the difference between the 'E' and the 'K' ?


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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2014, 04:05:12 AM »
Thanks Greg, I think I'll wait for a kit manufacturer to produce one ---  ;)

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« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2014, 04:08:49 AM »
Yeah, about the most I might try to do is the engine nacelles... and even that job scares me.

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2014, 05:14:50 AM »
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2014, 09:57:59 AM »
I'd also expect re-engining to mean beefing up the cross-connect drivelines, which in turn means a wing redesign to accommodate them...
Detail re-design but with little external difference.  Some of the fixes we have in work will make more difference in the external appearance (take a look at the LH nacelle of the ATTR, that's the Proof of Concept effort for what I'm now doing the production version of).

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2015, 04:52:50 AM »






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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2015, 12:55:17 AM »
I'd like to see a -53E sitting next to the -K to get a feel for how much bigger/different it really is. 

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2015, 01:22:01 PM »
I'd like to see a -53E sitting next to the -K to get a feel for how much bigger/different it really is.

From what I've seen/read the differences are very subtle in terms of appearance whereas they are
significant in terms of tech and capability. They pretty much nailed the physics 40+ years ago,
so not much is going to change in terms of how stuff looks.
Flying machines of all sorts are going to look more or less the same for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2015, 09:55:12 PM »
A lot of the differences are internal where you would normally never see them.  Manufacturing technology has changed considerably since the original CH-53E was designed, both in terms of processes and in terms of materials.  That they have an opportunity to also use 3D design tools means that the interior systems (plumbing and wiring) arrangement is going to be more rationalized.  It wouldn't surprise me to find that they've kept the same loft lines but have an all-new aircraft around them.

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #60 on: November 01, 2015, 09:59:12 PM »
I'd like to see a -53E sitting next to the -K to get a feel for how much bigger/different it really is.

From what I've seen/read the differences are very subtle in terms of appearance whereas they are
significant in terms of tech and capability. They pretty much nailed the physics 40+ years ago,
so not much is going to change in terms of how stuff looks.
Flying machines of all sorts are going to look more or less the same for the foreseeable future.

I read something years ago on the Sikorsky large helicopter families that said the arrangement of the actual machinery raft was spot on and pretty much any fuselage could be successfully hung under it which is why the general configuration continues to be evolved and imitated today.

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2015, 05:12:16 AM »
I read something years ago on the Sikorsky large helicopter families that said the arrangement of the actual machinery raft was spot on and pretty much any fuselage could be successfully hung under it which is why the general configuration continues to be evolved and imitated today.
Would be nice to see a new build CH-54 Tarhe based on the CH-53K machinery raft if it is as simple as they are describing.  Maybe an MH-54 just to prove you can sneak anything in under the radar? :)
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« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2015, 08:42:02 AM »
Possibly, except that Sikorsky has sold all rights, data, and material on the CH-54 to another company, Evergreen IIRC.

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2015, 01:35:30 PM »
Erickson Incorporated own the S-64/CH-54 type certificate and manufacturing rights and have since 1992.
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« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2015, 11:25:44 PM »
So...when will a injection-mold plastic kit of the -53K be released?  (In the One True Scale...1/48, of course)

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2015, 09:13:05 AM »
Erickson Incorporated own the S-64/CH-54 type certificate and manufacturing rights and have since 1992.

Great machines, a couple come down to Australia each summer fire season.  As I understand it the reason Erickson sought the type certificate and manufacturing rights was specifically so they could continue to support this type that have proven so valuable as a firefighting asset.  There were some comments in the media here that they were looking to build additional airframes but I don't believe this has happened yet.

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« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2015, 10:15:29 AM »
Erickson Incorporated own the S-64/CH-54 type certificate and manufacturing rights and have since 1992.
I stand corrected.  In my defense, I was working from memory, hence the IIRC qualifier.

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #68 on: April 30, 2016, 11:41:09 PM »
I have an old Revell CH-53G kit which I got for £cheap a few years back. My intention is to do it as an RAF Westland Weyland HC.1, the backstory being that after the first RAF Chinook buy was cancelled in the 1960s, Westland used it's Sikorsky connection to propose a licence-built CH-53 with more UK content, jobs and spend, and the government bit.
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #69 on: May 01, 2016, 03:54:37 AM »
I have an old Revell CH-53G kit which I got for £cheap a few years back. My intention is to do it as an RAF Westland Weyland HC.1, the backstory being that after the first RAF Chinook buy was cancelled in the 1960s, Westland used it's Sikorsky connection to propose a licence-built CH-53 with more UK content, jobs and spend, and the government bit.

Excellent idea Harold.  Makes you wonder what could have been if that had been for real.  Same with the Super Frelon. 
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #70 on: May 01, 2016, 07:19:45 PM »
The CH-53 has got to be my favorite helo, followed extremely closely by the Huey (& Cobra). :D

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #71 on: May 01, 2016, 08:48:41 PM »
A SH-53 with a very large and capable sonar, plus sonar buoys, torpedos and anti surface missiles, maybe even air launched stand off anti submarine missile?

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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2016, 04:14:17 AM »
I have an old Revell CH-53G kit which I got for £cheap a few years back. My intention is to do it as an RAF Westland Weyland HC.1, the backstory being that after the first RAF Chinook buy was cancelled in the 1960s, Westland used it's Sikorsky connection to propose a licence-built CH-53 with more UK content, jobs and spend, and the government bit.


I like your thinking.  The Westland Weyland could also be considered a replacement for the similar sized Westland Westminster (see below).



Would this also lead to a Westland Super-Weyland as a variant of the Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion?
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2016, 04:20:48 AM »
Random Idea:  Aéronavale CH-53 instead of Super Frelon
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Re: Sikorsky S-65/H-53 Sea Stallion, Super Sea Stallion, King Stallion
« Reply #74 on: May 02, 2016, 04:45:05 AM »
How about a  CH-53 Super Stallion-CH-54 Skycrane hybrid Super Skycrane?
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