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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2015, 08:13:54 AM »
I've always thought it was a pretty aircraft, but gone is gone. Thank goodness for injection molding technology.

To come back to whiffery, is the structure of the Arrow such that the weapons pack/bay could be configured to launch rockets
after the fashion of VLS cells? Something along the lines of a large diameter stumpy missile for, say, shooting at the stray flying Saucer or Soviet satellite?

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2015, 09:09:38 AM »
I've always thought it was a pretty aircraft, but gone is gone. Thank goodness for injection molding technology.

To come back to whiffery, is the structure of the Arrow such that the weapons pack/bay could be configured to launch rockets
after the fashion of VLS cells? Something along the lines of a large diameter stumpy missile for, say, shooting at the stray flying Saucer or Soviet satellite?

Nope, the pack was really pretty shallow.
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2015, 03:49:04 AM »
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2015, 04:34:05 AM »
I've always thought it was a pretty aircraft, but gone is gone. Thank goodness for injection molding technology.

To come back to whiffery, is the structure of the Arrow such that the weapons pack/bay could be configured to launch rockets
after the fashion of VLS cells? Something along the lines of a large diameter stumpy missile for, say, shooting at the stray flying Saucer or Soviet satellite?


Nope, the pack was really pretty shallow.


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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2015, 04:51:21 AM »
One especially for Bill...though he may not see the aircraft in the picture:

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2015, 06:50:02 AM »
Those were the days....................
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2015, 03:11:48 AM »
...... (and Avro-Canada had some concepts for ballistic missile interception, too)......

Outside of Mutually-Assureded Destruction already being a deterent, what was the challenge that prevented the concept of ABM-armed manned interceptors from happening, particularly for countries that did not possess any credible strategic nuclear capability of their own??
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2015, 08:50:16 AM »
...... (and Avro-Canada had some concepts for ballistic missile interception, too)......

Outside of Mutually-Assureded Destruction already being a deterent, what was the challenge that prevented the concept of ABM-armed manned interceptors from happening, particularly for countries that did not possess any credible strategic nuclear capability of their own??

Apart from the technical difficulties of designing a long-range, high accelleration, missile which was guided by a long-range radar system?  Cost.   The US spent approximately several tens of billion dollars on it's Safeguard System to turn it off after a couple of months.  It took over 20 years to develop as well.

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2016, 12:50:52 AM »
Avro Canada CF-XX Super Arrow concept





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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2016, 11:41:53 AM »
^ Obviously based off the one Clint Eastwood stole from Russia!

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2016, 03:36:09 PM »
now thats LOVELY!
i saw a comment on youtube where somebody claimed the arrow would still be the best fighter around today,
i asked him what it would be the best at? and gave him a list of speed alt range maneuverability etc etc, so far he hasnt replied lol

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2016, 10:06:58 AM »


Those were the days....................

That photo is likely from the rollout of the Canadian Air and Space Museum's replica in October 2008...note the modern car visible under its belly!  ;)

I have an old-tool Hobbycraft 1/72 Arrow in the stash but I've no idea what to do with it, but this thread is a great font of knowledge!
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2016, 05:27:41 AM »








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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2017, 06:15:58 AM »
I've bought a model of Arrow in 1/48. Also, I've got 1/48 Airfix TSR2. I'm going to make a dio with them. Camo for TSR2 is chosen-green/gray top, light grey bottom. The problem is- how to paint Arrow? Production plane wouldn't be white with orange accents? Or would it?
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2017, 06:41:42 AM »
That is a very good question Artur.

I don't think it would be white. It also depends oh which "Mark" you will build it as.  Which Air Force?

If it is an early RCAF model (early 1960s to 1970s) it could be bare metal or Silver Lacquer). It could be also be Air Defence Grey like the 2nd batch of CF-101s in the late 1970's and 80s. Of if it is later, use the CF-18 colours.

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2017, 07:28:04 AM »
I've bought a model of Arrow in 1/48. Also, I've got 1/48 Airfix TSR2. I'm going to make a dio with them. Camo for TSR2 is chosen-green/gray top, light grey bottom. The problem is- how to paint Arrow? Production plane wouldn't be white with orange accents? Or would it?

Like this maybe

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2017, 10:01:39 AM »
Very nice Robert. Whose markings will it receive?
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2017, 07:41:11 PM »
That is a very good question Artur.

I don't think it would be white. It also depends oh which "Mark" you will build it as.  Which Air Force?

If it is an early RCAF model (early 1960s to 1970s) it could be bare metal or Silver Lacquer). It could be also be Air Defence Grey like the 2nd batch of CF-101s in the late 1970's and 80s. Of if it is later, use the CF-18 colours.

I have 10's of profiles and they come in many different schemes. If you want copies of all my profiles, send me a PM with your personal email address and I'll give them to you.

I'll stick with RCAF😊 Which mark? Well, I plan to show it with TSR like on static display on airshow. It could be 1980 more or less. Thanks a lot for your help. Pm will be sent in a few minutes😃
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #68 on: May 07, 2017, 08:42:40 PM »
Very nice Robert. Whose markings will it receive?

I used some different exhaust nozzles to make it into a Mk.2, so it'll be something in that serial range with appropriate sqn markings

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2017, 01:45:46 AM »
I'll stick with RCAF😊 Which mark? Well, I plan to show it with TSR like on static display on airshow. It could be 1980 more or less.


Based on this info, you would probably look at CF-101 style schemes for the Arrow (given the CF-105 would have served in its place) and either CF-104 or CF-116 style schemes for the TSR.



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« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2017, 12:06:15 AM »
Now with animation.  ;D




Step 1 - reduce to approximately the same size as the F-35.


Make mods as necessary to introduce reduced RCS, etc.

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #71 on: August 18, 2017, 12:03:56 AM »
...... (and Avro-Canada had some concepts for ballistic missile interception, too)......

Outside of Mutually-Assureded Destruction already being a deterent, what was the challenge that prevented the concept of ABM-armed manned interceptors from happening, particularly for countries that did not possess any credible strategic nuclear capability of their own??

Apart from the technical difficulties of designing a long-range, high accelleration, missile which was guided by a long-range radar system?  Cost.   The US spent approximately several tens of billion dollars on it's Safeguard System to turn it off after a couple of months.  It took over 20 years to develop as well.
One of the key issues would be weight of the missile. Assume for a minute you could actually create and package the tracking and homing systems into a missile terminal stage that could do the job if it got close enough (and actually creating such a system is where all ABM missiles actually attempted fell down), you then need to get that terminal stage to the ICBM. Which, over Canada, is at the apex of its high, looping, ballistic trajectory from the USSR to the US. Canada is absolutely the worst place to launch an ABM as to achieve the altitude to get to the ICBM, you have to push it uphill the furthest, so the booster would be the biggest.

The Sprint ABM was to be launched to hit the ICBMs in the terminal mode, just before impact with a range of 25 miles. They weighed 7500 lb each.

THAAD is, of course, newer and uses much better technology than would be available to an early-60s ABM Arrow. Each missile has a range of 125 miles and weighs 1980 lb. And is still designed to hit incoming missiles within the upper atmosphere.

ICBMs generally top out at a 1200 mile max altitude.

An effective ABM for mid course intercept would need to be essentially another ICBM in size to get to the altitude.

An Arrow could never hoist an effective air launched ABM even if one existed at the time. And neither could any other aircraft of 1955-65.

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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #72 on: August 18, 2017, 02:49:38 AM »
Random idea which may already have been covered:  operational CF-105 carrying AIR-2 Genie
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #73 on: August 18, 2017, 04:23:33 AM »
Random idea which may already have been covered:  operational CF-105 carrying AIR-2 Genie

No need to say it twice. It will be done.  At least 4.
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Re: Avro CF-105 Arrow
« Reply #74 on: August 18, 2017, 05:23:15 AM »
Random idea which may already have been covered:  operational CF-105 carrying AIR-2 Genie

Or a later model with the AIM-68:
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-68.html