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Offline Tophe

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A different sort of COIN
« on: October 11, 2015, 10:10:11 PM »
(for the 'Stories' part)
As I said in my COINightning picture topic, I don’t like killing, military or else, and GTX_Admin told me Nonlethal weapons may be used instead. This is a revolution for a new COIN concept.

All started in the USA it seems. While the US Army was fighting Vietnamese Insurgency with heavily armed Broncos and helicopters, pacifists yelled in the homeland: it is normal that local individuals revolt against a foreign overpower, and this is exactly how the US were born, while British loyalists tried to crush violently this insurgency. As ethics principle is “don’t do against others what you would not like being done against you”, the US should stop to counter insurgency but understand this may be the good way against dictatorship.
Of course, evil killers should be stopped anyway, but if we kill them as well, how to pretend we are The Good? Nonlethal weapons have been the perfect answer, to stop the bad while not being bad ourselves, contrary to them!
This was a double victory.

Firefighting weapon sellers and lovers hated this, but they were sent to psychiatric examination, and most of them changed their mind… No? Am I dreaming? Is COIN principle still acute killing?  :( ;)


EDIT: this is not a forum to discuss violently, just a fantasy smile, sad and without much hope, sorry...
« Last Edit: October 13, 2015, 11:06:12 AM by Tophe »

Offline abtex

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Re: A different sort of COIN
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2015, 02:19:39 PM »
For a different sort of COIN, how about one that can be "Heads or Tails", based on the Vought V-173 "Flying Pancake". Has a Lightning style cockpit that can rotated up or down.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2015, 02:46:42 PM by abtex »

Offline Tophe

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Re: A different sort of COIN
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2015, 02:44:02 PM »
Thanks for this idea! I will work on this "flying prao" today or tomorrow!

Offline Tophe

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Re: A different sort of COIN
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2015, 03:41:30 PM »
I have made it, but the upside/down rotation is uncomfortable for the pilot, facing rearward with legs above and head below (version on the top), the pilot would prefer a lateral rotation (version in the bottom):

Offline Weaver

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Re: A different sort of COIN
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 06:21:07 AM »
What it needs then is a cockpit that rotates around the long axis, like that of the B-Wing fighter in Star Wars. Plane flips, cockpit stays level. Allows it to do a quarter-roll to avoid flak.... ;)
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Offline Tophe

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Re: A different sort of COIN
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2015, 12:18:55 AM »
In outer space, it is possible to turn "wings" in a different direction (one quarter of turn, or one half turn) but in our atmosphere, this is not producing lift anymore. Otherwise, yes a 180° roll could put the pilot in the normal position, but the profile would make the airplane go down and crash...

Offline Weaver

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Re: A different sort of COIN
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2015, 01:14:28 AM »
Yes but he doesn't do it all the time, he just does a slow roll as he passes over the flak gun... ;)
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Offline Tophe

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Re: A different sort of COIN
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2015, 02:59:26 AM »
Thanks for this technical explanation, space engineer! ;)