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McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« on: January 21, 2012, 06:49:28 AM »
A topic for the discussion of all things related to the F-88 (XF-88), F-101, CF-101, and RF-101 Voodoo. 


(Click on image to view full size from source: Wikipedia > McDonnell F-101 Voodoo)

Some links on the subject:

National Museum of the Air Force - McDonnell F-101 Voodoo > http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/MuseumExhibits/FactSheets/Display/tabid/509/Article/858859/mcdonnell-f-101a-and-c.aspx

National Museum of the Air Force - McDonnell RF-101 Voodoo > http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/MuseumExhibits/FactSheets/Display/tabid/509/Article/196065/mcdonnell-rf-101c-voodoo.aspx

National Museum of the Air Force - McDonnell F-101B Voodoo > http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/MuseumExhibits/FactSheets/Display/tabid/509/Article/196899/mcdonnell-f-101b-voodoo.aspx


Wikipedia - McDonnell XF-88 Voodoo
Wikipedia - McDonnell F-101 Voodoo

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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 07:04:04 AM »
Years back went to air show where CF-101s put on crowd pleasing afterburning show.
F-101 has great lines/style.
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 10:08:33 AM »
I have at least one in the stash which will be getting RAAF markings as a long range fighter.

Another one might be as a RAF fighter in their grey/green scheme.

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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 10:58:42 AM »
I hope to build a Strike Voodoo one of these days that will use the two seat F-101B.  Small stores pylons on the wings to carry an ECM pod or Sidewinder, center line stores pylon for the special weapon and the two fuel tanks that seem to always be present on this aircraft.  Change the engine exhaust to something resembling the J-79 and blank out the missile bay for the additional electronics and internal fuel.  F-101B + RF-101B for the missile bay blanking plate parts. 
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 11:12:26 AM »
VG F-101
French F-101
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 02:43:29 PM »
F-101B/F3H-2 hybrid with guns and magazines replacing the missile bay (courtesy of a F-101A conversion for Hase's RF-101C) and the wings a blend of the two.  The horizontal tail will likely also come down to either a cruciform tail or all the way down to the fuselage like the original F-101 mockup had it (lemme see if I can find *that* pic).

Production single-seat F-101 with J79 installation (going by the one aircraft that flew that way, a GE testbed for "high energy fuels" to be used with J93-powered aircraft, you'd need the extended cans of the F-101B and the exhaust nozzles from a F-4 (use the remaining F-4 pieces with appropriate nozzle bits to do a 300-series Avon or ATAR 9K powered export version).

Okay, here's a reduced-size version of "that" photo (original is available via email for a PM).  I've acquired the last two Aeroclub 1/72 F-101A/C conversion sets Hannants had, so I've got 'most everything to start playing with this one.  I'm looking to place the cannons where the missile bay is now.  I suspect one could do much the same with the M61 and port from a F-104.
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2012, 07:59:18 PM »
VG F-101
French F-101
F-101B/F3H-2 hybrid with guns and magazines replacing the missile bay (courtesy of a F-101A conversion for Hase's RF-101C) and the wings a blend of the two.  The horizontal tail will likely also come down to either a cruciform tail or all the way down to the fuselage like the original F-101 mockup had it (lemme see if I can find *that* pic).

Production single-seat F-101 with J79 installation (going by the one aircraft that flew that way, a GE testbed for "high energy fuels" to be used with J93-powered aircraft, you'd need the extended cans of the F-101B and the exhaust nozzles from a F-4 (use the remaining F-4 pieces with appropriate nozzle bits to do a 300-series Avon or ATAR 9K powered export version).

Voodoo with a pair of the ATAR 9K engines might be a good way to justify the French F-101 that Greg suggested. 

Would those be the ATAR 9K engines with the original two part (clam shell) exhaust nozzle or the later more conventional interlocking multiple-leaf versions.  The earlier two piece nozzle would certainly make a fashion statement on the Voodoo. 

As far as guns on the F-101B or a derivative I am trying to come up with a good location for the M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon.  Maybe on the side of the fuselage as seen on the F-104 as a compromise to four individual cannons? 
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 09:07:13 PM »
VG F-101
French F-101

F-101B/F3H-2 hybrid with guns and magazines replacing the missile bay (courtesy of a F-101A conversion for Hase's RF-101C) and the wings a blend of the two.  The horizontal tail will likely also come down to either a cruciform tail or all the way down to the fuselage like the original F-101 mockup had it (lemme see if I can find *that* pic).

Production single-seat F-101 with J79 installation (going by the one aircraft that flew that way, a GE testbed for "high energy fuels" to be used with J93-powered aircraft, you'd need the extended cans of the F-101B and the exhaust nozzles from a F-4 (use the remaining F-4 pieces with appropriate nozzle bits to do a 300-series Avon or ATAR 9K powered export version).



Voodoo with a pair of the ATAR 9K engines might be a good way to justify the French F-101 that Greg suggested. 

Would those be the ATAR 9K engines with the original two part (clam shell) exhaust nozzle or the later more conventional interlocking multiple-leaf versions.  The earlier two piece nozzle would certainly make a fashion statement on the Voodoo. 

As far as guns on the F-101B or a derivative I am trying to come up with a good location for the M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon.  Maybe on the side of the fuselage as seen on the F-104 as a compromise to four individual cannons?



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In a previous life I was a Weapons Technician on Voodoos with 409 SQN  at COMOX. It was quite the thrill as a 19 year old to be "in charge" of 25KT nuclear warhead. I was the "C" man on the load crew which gave me the delightful job of dragging/driving around the 1000 Lb bomb and trailer on which the AIR-2A was transported on. For some strange reason everyone became quite tense when the actual AIR-2As or even the inert training units were brought for load exercises. I guess I was too young to do the math on how big of a hole we could have made if we got the arming sequence correct. (note to self: when in cockpit, do not break the witness wire on the AIR-2A armament switch. An no, they did not show me to how arm it. )  ;) 

Watch out when the weapons bay door was rotated. It was scary fast.

The Voodoo wings are way to thin to really support any substantial load (the RF-101Cs did have ALQ-71 ECM pods in Vietnam).  I don't if anyone was able to observe how much the tail flexed/wobbled when the 101 taxied over the tarmac. Scary stuff. I do miss the asynchronous double boom of the J-57 single stage afterburner. And on landing, the nose high aerodynamic breaking.

One set of interesting visitors we had was the Nevada ANG 192TRS out of Reno. They had RF-4Es at the time but they used our first batch of F-101s which were converted to RF-10Bs. The RF-101Bs did have the weapons bay converted to hold camera gear.

As noted earlier the weapons bay is really the only location where you can work with. It is big enough to hold a good size ammo can for an M-61 or similar cannon. The forward fuselage (from the back of the rear cockpit forward) was just packed solid with electronics as the technology was analog based. If we update to digital avionics, you could free some room. Probably to where the wind screen and canopy meet.  We used to load a home made luggage container for the overnighters. And a spare starter for the J-57s. The farther you were away from base, the greater the probability one would break.

JoseFern did a nice delta wing F-101 here: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=157.0;topicseen I might try that.

http://www.canadianwings.com/Aircraft/aircraftDetail.php?VOODOO-36
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Aircraft_by_Type/CF-101Voodoo/CF101Voodoo.htm
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/scott_tremblay/cf-101b_voodoo/

Looking forward to more ideas.


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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 09:34:57 PM »
Kit bash the wing from the F-4 Phantom II with the Voodoo.  The landing gear arrangement is very similar and with the Phantom wing there would be room for a couple of additional pylons. 

My search for decent dimensional data on the actual Voodoo wing pylon continues.  I have found a couple of images of the pylon installed with countermeasures pod on an RF-101 in SEA but that has been the extent of my success in the usual searches conducted on-line. 
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 01:46:22 AM »
Voodoo with a pair of the ATAR 9K engines might be a good way to justify the French F-101 that Greg suggested. 

Would those be the ATAR 9K engines with the original two part (clam shell) exhaust nozzle or the later more conventional interlocking multiple-leaf versions.  The earlier two piece nozzle would certainly make a fashion statement on the Voodoo. 

As far as guns on the F-101B or a derivative I am trying to come up with a good location for the M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon.  Maybe on the side of the fuselage as seen on the F-104 as a compromise to four individual cannons?


Well, if the early ones use ATAR 9C engines like the Mirage IIIC did, it would be the two-piece nozzle while later production ones might have the later more conventional interlocking multiple-leaf fully-variable version of the ATAR 9K.

As far as guns, I was going to stay with the four 20mm Browning cannon as the M61 was a bit later in development.  Later, or upgraded, aircraft could have that.

Of course, if you want to upgrade the existing F-101B in terms of equipment, you could always replace the AIR-2 with an AIM-68, http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-68.html.

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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 02:02:58 AM »
A half-formed idea that I'm toying with is What If Fouga, rather than Dassault, became the pre-eminent French aircraft company, and applied a consistent "house style" based on the Magister layout to all their products. Now the style has to adapt to performance issues (glider-like wings don't really play well with Mach 1+ airflows) and one problem is that the side-mounted engines have to change a bit when they get afterburners with jet energies that will accoustically trash the rear fuselage in no time at all. My solution is that they move inwards and downwards, leading to an F-4/F-101 style back end.

That all leads to the conclusion that an F-101B would be the idea basis for Fouga's 1960s heavy interceptor. It's got the right canopy, engine intakes and exhausts, so all it needs is a V-tail and straight wings: I'm thinking along the lines of 1/48th F-104 wings on a 1/72nd Voodoo.

The corresponding light single-seater would be a 1/72nd F-104 with the back end of a 1/100th F-4 grafted on (plus a V-tail, of course).
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 03:55:31 AM »
F-101 with J79 installation (going by the one aircraft that flew that way,


Seen here:

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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2013, 04:01:46 AM »
It may take a bit before I can scan them all, returned to work today.

I'm working on a full-up RF-101B with the RF-101C photo nose and an ELINT fit in place of the weapons bay and an antenna fairing under it.  There might be pods under the wings, too.


Nice. I agree the weapons bay has lots of WHIF potential.

Take your time Evan. You probably know the RF-101s were cleared to carry the ALQ-71.



On this F-106 page there is good picture, and someone who claims to be Jeffry Fontaine asking about the installation. Jeff, is this identity theft?  ;D


No.  No ID Hack.  I was exploring the idea of a Strike Voodoo and wanted to see if someone had a decent image or better yet, a drawing of that stores pylon with the pod.  The vacuum formed conversion from Koster kindly provides a shape albeit vacu-formed with the pylon and the ECM pod attached to it.  Since I don't have that conversion in possession any more it required additional networking to find other references.   Not that it really matters for a what if or speculative model of something that did not exist in real life I did want to try and stay within the bounds of what could safely be carried on the wing of the Voodoo with that one small stores pylon.  Maybe that stores pylon and a Sidewinder on each wing tip?  That would look menacing.
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2013, 05:52:20 AM »
The Lindberg XF-88 kit in Ye Olde Stash has been set aside for conversion into a McDonnell and Hawker developed interceptor for the British.    So far white and lo-viz  seems to be what interests me most.
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2013, 09:57:48 AM »
The Lindberg XF-88 kit in Ye Olde Stash has been set aside for conversion into a McDonnell and Hawker developed interceptor for the British.    So far white and lo-viz  seems to be what interests me most.

Interesting.
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2013, 11:02:18 AM »
Put the XF-88 into production as the RF-88.
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2013, 11:40:59 AM »
Put the XF-88 into production as the RF-88.

They did, didn't they?  ;)

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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2013, 06:30:00 PM »
From Secret Projects:

The official McDonnell Model Numbers index of July 1974 states that the Model 96 applied to a "large external weapon (for use with the F-101A) under job order #19-89, dated July 10, 1953. So this is perfectly consistent with the great document you have provided here, bigron427.

Three more studies were conducted under the same job order:

- Model 96A (test weapon "A" configuration with B-47, additionally described as a "Special Weapon" in a handmade footnote).
- Model 96B  (test weapon "B" configuration with F-101A).
- Model 96C (test weapon "C" configuration with F-101A).

Then there was a revised job order (#19-89-051) for three more variants:

- Model 96E (large external weapon essentially same shape as Model 96; different warhead - February 9, 1954).
- Model 96F (large external weapon shorter shape than Model 96; warhead same as Model 96E - February 9, 1954).
- Model 96G (large external weapon - identical to Model 96 with structural provisions for either of two warheads - December 16, 1954).



Source: F-101Voodoo.com

Bill (finsrin) and I had an offline discussion on which existing things bomb/tank could be used to represent the Model 96 Pod. Sorry Bill but I'm stilling favoring my Revell 1/94 B-58 "MC-1 pod".  ;)

Source: Wikipedia: Model 96 Store
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2013, 07:11:54 PM »
Tell you what Carl.  You looked into this way more than me.
Figuring your call is better than mine.
First time to see that F-101 picture - impressive !

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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2013, 08:12:00 PM »
Put the XF-88 into production as the RF-88.


They did, didn't they?  ;)


Well, there was that NF-88 we didn't hear much about at the time....   ::)

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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2013, 02:56:29 AM »
That looks good.
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2013, 02:58:29 AM »
I would like to do an operational XF-88B:

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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2013, 03:07:59 AM »
Which raises a question I've asked elsewhere....

Did they EVER run the turbo-prop on that? I have yet to see a photo with the blades turning.
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2013, 03:21:12 AM »
I think this video will conclusively answer that question ;):

The XF-88B Propeller Flight Research Program
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Re: McDonnell F-88 and F-101 Voodoo
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2013, 03:25:07 AM »
By 'special weapon' do I correctly presume a nuke?
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