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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #200 on: May 18, 2020, 02:46:33 AM »
If we could have a Dart Mustang (see below), why not a Dart Spitfire?


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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #201 on: May 18, 2020, 03:02:25 AM »
That should work!

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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #202 on: May 18, 2020, 05:24:16 AM »
If we could have a Dart Mustang (see below), why not a Dart Spitfire?
Should be easy enough with that one resin Dart Mustang conversion as it can be whittled down to fit the Spitfire.  Carefully of course...
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #203 on: May 21, 2020, 04:59:53 AM »
Gordon Aerolite Spitfire fuselage. The very first Spitfire resin conversion kit  :smiley:
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #204 on: May 22, 2020, 01:37:49 AM »
 :smiley:  Some details here
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #205 on: May 30, 2020, 04:06:24 AM »
So Galland made a comment about  "I should like an outfit of Spitfires for my squadron.":



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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #206 on: July 21, 2021, 05:44:26 AM »
Posted on 'The Aviation Historian' FB page as a preview of the new issue:
"Here at TAH we don’t make a regular habit of publishing “What-if?” articles, but this one by the late Melvyn Hiscock — about how rearward cockpits could have given photo-recce Spitfires a much longer range — has a pedigree stretching back to legendary test pilot Jeffrey Quill."



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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #207 on: July 21, 2021, 11:45:52 AM »
Posted on 'The Aviation Historian' FB page as a preview of the new issue:
"Here at TAH we don’t make a regular habit of publishing “What-if?” articles, but this one by the late Melvyn Hiscock — about how rearward cockpits could have given photo-recce Spitfires a much longer range — has a pedigree stretching back to legendary test pilot Jeffrey Quill."

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More space for fuel over the wing. Later model Spitfires needed some weight in the tail for balance anyway.

Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #208 on: July 21, 2021, 06:13:45 PM »
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Yuuuggghh!!! Not only does that look utterly wrong but landing the abomination would be a real handful at the best of times, let alone after an extended long-range flight! Even with a curved approach, that would be a pig to get on the deck. At the very least they could give it a contra-prop to reduce torque effects.

If you needed to extended the range of a PR.19, I'd try drop tanks, bulging the spine ala MiG-21SMT, towing an aerosled or in-flight refuelling from a friendly neighbourhood Lanc before that. Elegant it ain't!

Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #209 on: July 21, 2021, 06:55:57 PM »
.....in-flight refuelling from a friendly neighbourhood Lanc.....

Perhaps something a little like the following?




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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #210 on: July 22, 2021, 02:51:42 AM »
Landing the aft-cockpit Spit wouldn't be that big a deal, all the pilot would have to do is
keep the tail up, land on the mains and then drop the tail. No point in trying a 3-point
landing which had already become something of an anachronism as aircraft performance
steadily increased.

"Fattening" the spine for more fuel would be a worse solution from a CG standpoint and
the increase in fuselage volume would increase drag and might give rise to some major
issues concerning airflow on to the empennage. It works on something like the MiG-21
because of the nature of the aircraft and it's basically cylindrical fuselage cross-section.

Towing an aerosled, with all the requisite plumbing etc., would be a needless complication.

Trying to refuel in that fashion with propeller driven aircraft would be nigh on impossible.

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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #211 on: July 22, 2021, 04:03:45 AM »
Thinking about it, the fat spine needn't be of concern if done right. The late Spits were nose-heavy so some added weight aft of the cofg might be beneficial. A bulge aft of the wing wouldn't necessarily add meaningfully to the drag and might actually reduce it and also lead to the early discovery of the area rule! A revised (taller) tail is hardly an insurmountable hurdle. Incidentally, I meant MiG-21SMT as in position not in degree, I'm not talking a huge bulge here. The more I think about it, the more I like it. The end result would even still look like a Spitfire! How many Spitfires do I have....

As for your pronouncements, jcf? I guess I disagree with pretty much all of them. [Shrug]

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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #212 on: July 22, 2021, 03:27:08 PM »
Additional fuel aft is a Changing CoG issue as it gets consumed, larger fuel tanks above the CoG with a fixed-mass pilot/cockpit combo aft is more stable for flying purposes.
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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #213 on: July 22, 2021, 08:53:45 PM »
^ Bigger trim tabs on the elevators then. Or the pilot can lean back more as the flight goes on, either-or. Honestly, I just suggested those alternatives for fun as anything would be better than blighting the artform that is a Mark XIX Spit. I'm not particularly interested in concocting a 10-part defensive thesis.

Frankly burning the Spitfire production lines completely would be better than letting that ugly PoS with the aft cockpit see the light of day. Leave that for the P-40 lineage, they're already ugly.

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Re: Supermarine Spitfire Family
« Reply #214 on: July 23, 2021, 10:45:00 AM »
I hope the Lancaster crew buys the Spitfire pilot dinner first.