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Offline Volkodav

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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2015, 09:57:41 PM »
Actually if the RAAF were flying Wessex as SAR helicopter, the mission the UH-1B was initially acquired for and also the initial mission the RAN desired it for, it would have increased the chance of the UH-1 being acquired for and operated by the Army as Vietnam hotted up.  Wessex could have continued serving the RAAF and RAN in the SAR / utility role into the 90s, possibly longer, and for a shorter time as a RAN FAA ASW platform and Commando helicopter, while the Army relied on the Iroquois and Sioux (later Iroquois, Kiowa and Cobra).
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2015, 06:48:35 AM »
Personally, I like the turbine powered ones
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2015, 07:38:28 AM »
Using the rotor blade parts from the Academy UH-60 kit to improve on the Revell H-34 kit.  Replacing the main and tail rotors with the same parts from the UH-60.  Both aircraft are approximately the same size so there is that to consider and the H-60 rotors would certainly give it a different look.  Add in the S-58T twin-turbine nose conversion from Cobra Company and you have a quick and easy what-if.
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2015, 10:16:50 AM »
Quote from: kitnut617 on January 19, 2015, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: Rickshaw on January 19, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: GTX_Admin on January 19, 2015, 02:15:40 AM
Subtle whiff:  Australia used the Westland Wessex Mk31B in the Carrier-borne Anti-submarine/ Search and Rescue /Utility role.  What if they (and/or the RAAF/ARA) also used the platform in the troop transport/assault role?

If we had been more closely aligned to the UK still, I don't doubt we would have seen it.   Thing was, by the time we needed large numbers of troop transport helicopters, "our great and powerful friends" had been changed to Washington.  The UH-1 was cheaper and easier to operate and was rapidly becoming their standard troop helicopter so we followed suit.

Plus the fact your new 'great and powerful friends' had a war going on right off your north coast

Well, it's actually about 1500-2000 km off our north coast. Its not as if Vietnam is the next island over...  I did allude to it when I mentioned "by the time we needed large numbers of troop transport helicopters."
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2015, 12:26:58 AM »
PMSL, its still closer to Australia than Darwin is to any of the other capitals😊
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2015, 02:22:38 AM »
Further to my Australian Assault/Troop Transport proposal, what about a "Bushranger" variant armed similar to the Huey Bushrangers:



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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2015, 03:30:03 AM »
I have a German naval Wessex instead of the H-34 planned.
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2015, 08:55:00 AM »
Quote from: Rickshaw on January 20, 2015, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: kitnut617 on January 19, 2015, 08:57:51 PM

Plus the fact your new 'great and powerful friends' had a war going on right off your north coast

Well, it's actually about 1500-2000 km off our north coast. Its not as if Vietnam is the next island over...

Yes Brian, I knew that, it was a 'tongue-in-cheek' comment   ----  maybe I should have used this smiley   :P
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2015, 01:37:23 PM »
Quote from: GTX_Admin on January 21, 2015, 02:22:38 AM
Further to my Australian Assault/Troop Transport proposal, what about a "Bushranger" variant armed similar to the Huey Bushrangers:





Interesting, I always thought the rockets and miniguns were on the same mounts.  Actually looks like there would be clearance issues for the rockets but obviously not otherwise the configuration wouldn't have seen service.

A Rhodesian gunship version with multiple cannon.  One in each door and another fixed, forward firing.

How did the Wessex do in hot and /or high situations?  Obviously the twin turbine models would have been superior to the singles.  I wonder how it would have performed in comparison to the single turbine Iroquois?

Another thought, Sikorsky introduced the S-61, and moved through larger and larger iterations through to the CH-53E (now the new 53K) and introduced the S-70 as their new utility / tactical transport, how about if they continued with an S-58 sized utility / tactical type for the USMC instead of the Sea Knight?  Something that Westland could build for the RAF instead of the Puma and could be continually developed through to today instead of the S-92 as a competitor to the Puma, Super Puma, Cougar, NH90 etc?
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2015, 02:10:45 PM »
Quote from: GTX_Admin on January 21, 2015, 02:22:38 AM
Further to my Australian Assault/Troop Transport proposal, what about a "Bushranger" variant armed similar to the Huey Bushrangers:





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One of the failings for the H-34/Wessex family for ground force operations, & one of the reasons they lost out to the smaller UH-1 & Lynx, is their height.

While this makes them great for SAR & ASW type operations, it just makes them a bigger target & less stable on touch-down (too narrow for their height) during ground op's with no significant improvement in capacity or flexibility over smaller, lighter helo's like the UH-1 & Lynx.

Further development for naval, coast watch or coast guard type activities would be right up their alley, though.

However, in Whif World, if there were problems with the UH-1's & Lynx's development or production, then H-34/Wessex alternatives would be a logical move.
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2015, 03:51:15 PM »
RAAF were the ones who developed the twin M60 pintle mount but it's never as far as I know been used by anybody else.
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2015, 10:29:15 PM »
Four M-60s, four times the stoppages and four times the grief.
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2015, 08:35:04 AM »
Airborne M60s are usually kept cleaner and fired less than the ground ones so were more reliable.   It wasn't the best design by far but it could be made to work if kept clean.
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2015, 01:08:53 AM »
Bah! The RAM'll be using L7 GPMG's anyway! ;)
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2015, 09:03:19 PM »
Quote from: Old Wombat on January 23, 2015, 01:08:53 AM
Bah! The RAM'll be using L7 GPMG's anyway! ;)

What sort of marines rely on 7.62mm? .50cal all the way!  ;)
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2015, 08:06:10 AM »
Quote from: Volkodav on January 23, 2015, 09:03:19 PM
Quote from: Old Wombat on January 23, 2015, 01:08:53 AM
Bah! The RAM'll be using L7 GPMG's anyway! ;)

What sort of marines rely on 7.62mm? .50cal all the way!  ;)

Ones who know they'll have to carry the b@st@rds all the way! ::)






I was talking about for the pictured twin-mount, thou knowest! ;)
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2017, 05:48:22 PM »
BeauWessex: VTOL autogyro intended for special operations

« Last Edit: September 03, 2017, 05:59:41 PM by ysi_maniac »
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2017, 05:22:38 AM »
Inspiring concept  :smiley:
Is another wanna build.
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2017, 04:22:25 PM »
Attack helo with:
-Vestigial wings intended to carry weapons or tanks.
-Jet based in Pegasus that moves rotors too. Nose intake. Maybe 2 or 4 swivelling nozzles.
-Aden cannon ventral pods.

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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2017, 06:44:36 AM »
You take two RW models



... and then you get two nice whifs

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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2017, 10:42:19 AM »
Thatz first class melding of designs.  Like both  :smiley:
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2017, 11:59:20 AM »
I see an amphibian that is not-frog and not-salamander.
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2024, 09:12:18 PM »
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2024, 12:28:10 PM »
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Re: Sikorsky H-34/S-58/Westland Wessex Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2024, 01:17:09 PM »
Stop now! I have too many projects already!!  :o







Carry on! This is really a lot of fun!
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