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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2014, 05:08:37 AM »
PR3 Courtesy of PR19_Kit. Did you finish it Kit?



The darn thing is still one of the 60 'Unbuilts' cluttering up the Model Room. I got as far as updating the central nacelle with the resin bits and cutting the wings to shape but it all stalled after that. I REALLY need to get that done this year!
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2014, 12:16:02 PM »
Anyone needing inspiration?




Huge article on this project here:

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/444/language/fr-FR/Vampires-of-Las-Vegas.aspx

Dodgy as hell, but interesting and full of whiff-fodder in both the idea and the back story.
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2015, 12:47:32 AM »
Ok real world, De Havilland Australia (DHA) builds 80 Vampire fighters and fighter bombers for the RAAF followed by 110 Vampire trainers (most built in Australia, some assembled, some imported).  Thin wing Vampire (Venom) proposed (even before 1st Vampire delivered) but not proceeded with, licence production of Sea Venom by DHA for RAN considered but not proceeded with (Vampire trainer contract awarded instead).  Vampire fighter and fighter bomber equips regular and reserve squadrons until RAAF reserve loses flying role in 1960, trainers serve the RAAF until 1970 and the RAN FAA until 1971.  Vampire, although in service with the RAAF at the time, is not deployed to Korea and the Mustangs serving with 77 squadron are replaced in theatre with Meteor F8s.  In addition 78 Wing RAAF is equipped with RAF owned Vampire FB9 while garrisoning Malta from 1952 to 1954, returning to Australia prior to the creation of the Far East Strategic Reserve which was seen as a greater priority than the Mediterranean deployment.

My very simple whiff is that Australian production switched to the Venom at the earliest opportunity, licence production of the Sea Venom is undertaken in Australia for the RAN and either the Sea Venom (for commonality reasons) or the Venom NF3 is also produced to re-equip the RAAF reserve squadrons as they convert to the FAW role. If possible the Venom enters service with the RAAF before the RAF and serves in Korea instead of the Meteor F8, meaning the Meteor never enters regular squadron service with the RAAF, if not possible no problem forget it.  Vampire trainer is still produced as in reality but possibly delayed with more of them being imported due to capacity and timing issues at DHA.  Australian built Vampires and Venoms are supplied to RNZAF in particular but some other countries under Commonwealth defence agreements aided by some US MAP funding.  78 Wing re-equips with Venoms and stays in Malta past 1954, while 77 squadron returns to Australia post Korea and along with 3 squadron is eventually re-equipped with Sabres, P1082s, or Hunters.  A third regular fighter wing is formed in 1955, equipped with Venoms and based in Butterworth Malaysia as part of the Far East Strategic Reserve.

Offline Rickshaw

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2016, 11:51:45 AM »

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If De Havilland had gone for a more daring approach, the Sea Vixen might have been the Sea Devil instead... But in the 1950s, no one was willing to develop forward-swept wing aircraft. Not that it has changed much, mind you...

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2016, 11:39:34 AM »
Zany enough I might just give this a go once life sorts out:
Fabric wing.  Tubing booms with wire bracing a la WW1
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2016, 12:35:09 PM »
Recently I revisited the British Secret Project entry on supersonic DH.110 due to my sudden interest in the idea of a supersonic Sea Vixen......

It is stated that the option that had the most attention would have wing thickness through out either just outboard of the boom or outboard of the intakes over the boom to 6%.  If this is to be translated onto Sea Vixen:

  • Does the wing structure of Sea Vixen, especially how the wings connect to the fuselage, have commonality with that of the DH.110?
  • What does that 6% refer to?  Literally 6% of the previous wing thickness?  Or is it something else?
  • Would the expanded booms on the FAW.2 have created enough drag to hamper any attempt to attain a supersonic performance?
  • And would any modification to strengthen the tailplane against acoustic pressures from afterburning engines be necessarily visible?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2016, 08:42:01 PM »
The 6% refers to the ratio of wing thickness to chord; for supersonic aircraft it needs to be low.

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2016, 08:58:18 PM »
How about a kit bash of a Seavixen FAW2 with a Javelin nose (for the tandem cockpit) and a stretched fuselage for after burning Avons?  This should look good and in the real world if not just supersonic, it would at least have had superior acceleration, climb and had better take off and go around performance.

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2016, 10:02:14 PM »
How about a kit bash of a Seavixen FAW2 with a Javelin nose (for the tandem cockpit) and a stretched fuselage for after burning Avons?  This should look good and in the real world if not just supersonic, it would at least have had superior acceleration, climb and had better take off and go around performance.


You mean like my Sea Vixen FAW.3?


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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2016, 11:12:29 PM »
Whare have you been hiding that?

Its outstanding!

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: October 18, 2016, 07:02:38 AM »
Now what am I going to do with my Vixens and Javelins?! Curse you!!
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: October 18, 2016, 08:43:57 AM »
I've been playing with the idea of converting my DH.108 into a "proof-of-concept" Vixen

Offline Daryl J.

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2016, 01:37:14 PM »
Twin booms and rear horizontal stabilizer on a F7U Cutlass.   As an attack platform it could be the dH Violent.
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2016, 04:54:14 AM »
On the idea of a turboprop Vampire.
Fw had the idea for the 'Flitzer' using an extended shaft driving a prop at the front of the aircraft.
This idea doesn't appeal to me.
I think another alternative would be to have the propeller as a pusher unit with the jet exhaust exiting through the spinner.
A similar arrangement should also work for the Vampire.
The  undercarriage would have to be extended to accommodate this in both cases.

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2016, 05:01:45 AM »
On the idea of a turboprop Vampire.



I would imagine it would look a bit like a SNCASO SO.8000 Narval:


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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2016, 09:29:49 AM »
For some reason, I really like that aircraft (amazingly, because it's French). I've got an Akatombo kit of it in 1/72 scale too ---

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2016, 02:24:37 AM »
I wish it was available in 1/48
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2017, 05:11:25 AM »
More on the Vampire Business jet here.
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2018, 01:32:41 PM »
I'm considering a Sea Vixen E.3 with the radar and rocket tubes replaced by ECM gear, antenna bulges on the outboard side of each vertical fin, and carrying Shrike missiles as well as the drop tanks and with an EWO in place of the RIO.  Overall painting and color schemes would remain common with the FAW.2.

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #69 on: March 25, 2018, 01:01:58 AM »
Oh that's cool!
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2019, 06:50:13 AM »
Random Idea:  Royal Malaysian Air Force Sea Vixen
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2019, 08:28:08 AM »
One thing that keeps going on-and-off in my head is a kitbash between an A-6 Intruder nose & cockpit and the rest of a scaled-up Sea Venom......
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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #72 on: September 28, 2019, 08:51:36 AM »
One thing that keeps going on-and-off in my head is a kitbash between an A-6 Intruder nose & cockpit and the rest of a scaled-up Sea Venom......
1/72 A-6 and 1/48 Sea Venom?

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #73 on: September 28, 2019, 12:31:30 PM »
On the idea of a turboprop Vampire.



I would imagine it would look a bit like a SNCASO SO.8000 Narval:





This reminds me of something from Crimson Skies.

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Re: De Havilland Vampire, Venom, Sea Vixen Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2019, 01:11:29 PM »
Not seen that before now.  Cool configuration.  8)