Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: Daryl J. on January 15, 2012, 08:38:19 AM
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Post war Fjord Defense Bristol Beaufighter:
Rear position removed, faired over. Horizontal tailplane flattened and enlarged. Twin vertical tails much like that of the Buckmaster, Brigand, and Buckingham. An anti shipping missile would be slung underneath the fuselage, slightly to the left of midline if in Norway, to the right if used by the U.K. Black and white Norse pattern on tail as a squadron marking, winter setting.
Note: If it were used by the US Navy and stationed at Whidby Island, it would have to be the Bristol Bellingham-America. Sorry...Everett, Snohomish,Marysville, or Cle Elum just don't quite work with the word 'Bristol'. As to a Bristol Chehalis....we might be able to work something out there. :) >:D >:D To be fair to my neighbors to the North, if it were based in Portland, it would have to be the Bristol Brewer and rather than weapons, have containers for all the artisan, hand crafted ferment and have a Greenpeace sticker on a window.
:icon_fsm:
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Vietnam era COIN platform serving with RAAF in support of Australian Forces...maybe upgraded with turboprops...
Alternately, A RAAF Beaufighter Mk21 serving with RAAF Forces as Night Intruder in Korea...
Regards,
Greg
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Serving to guard and protect the sea-lanes to a major USN base, the Bristol Bremerton (sic)?
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The Bellingham and the Bremerton. I like that. I'm not sure Bristol could turn the basic Beaufighter platform into a high-end executive transport for a CEO and CFO, but if they did it would have to be the Bellevue.
One of them would have to have a camouflage pattern in Digital Moss or Digital Espresso wouldn't you think?
A hunter/killer duo perhaps? I'm not sure the Soviet empire would approve of the great capitalistic Seattlisms known as Boeing, Starbucks, Microsoft, and Costco and could potentially have had some sort of potential naval concern.
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Possible Mk.22s:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/BeaufighterMk22a.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/BeaufighterMk22.jpg)
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Possible Mk.22s
Both subjects are appealing and now I wonder what a Merlin, Packard, or Griffon powered Beaufighter might look like.
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A Merlin powered Beaufighter would look like a Mk II or Mk IIF I suspect.
Regards,
John
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Possible Mk.22s
Both subjects are appealing and now I wonder what a Merlin, Packard, or Griffon powered Beaufighter might look like.
There's photos in the Squadron book Beaufighter in Action, of Merlin and Griffon flying test beds. Also there's a couple of pics of the Australian R-2800 conversion which looks very nice as it had a much enhanced streamlined nacelles
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There's photos in the Squadron book Beaufighter in Action, of Merlin and Griffon flying test beds. Also there's a couple of pics of the Australian R-2800 conversion which looks very nice as it had a much enhanced streamlined nacelles
I assume this is the one you are referring to:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/scan0016.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/scan0015.jpg)
They were actually Wright GR-2600 Cyclone engines. The trial was done since there was a concern that there might be a shortage of supply of standard Bristol Hercules.
You are correct about the changed nacelles - you can compare the changed ones to the standard ones on the other aircraft in the same photos.
Regards,
Greg
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Those are the ones Greg, forgot that it was the R-2600 though. I think the nacelle shape really enhances the Beaufighters looks.
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I think the nacelle shape really enhances the Beaufighters looks.
Agreed!
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Note the flat horizontal tailplane.
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I have always dreamed of a Beaufighter with a B-57 canopy and nose
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(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/beauwidow.jpg)
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I have always dreamed of a Beaufighter with a B-57 canopy and nose
That could be interesting.
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Some ideas about Beaufighter with tricycle uc
Cargo
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/beaufighter_cargo.jpg)
Several bombers
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/beaufighter_bomber1.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/beaufighter_bomber2.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/beaufighter_bomber3.jpg)
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(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/beaufighter_bomber4.jpg)
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Some of these Beau variants have a strong resemblance to the Ta-154 Moskito ! And there was a Moskito with a single seat and bubble hood in planning.
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^^^^^
This is an idea to work on.
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(http://www.davescomputertips.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/mega-icon-smiley-thumbs-up.jpg)
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Sweet. As well as all of your other designs.
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Bristol Speedfighter, still a work in progress, need to change the tailplane for a Mk VI.
([url]http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww37/jmsfbip/new/Bristol-Speedfighter.png[/url])
Beautiful :-* :-* :-*, but ... IMHO such elegant design needs more steamlined engines like griffons as implemented in Spitfire
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Or maybe Napier Sabres...with annular cowlings!
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Or Griffon engines installed as on the first Fury prototype.
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Very cool, Jose.
l wouldn't worry about doing a version with dihedral tailplane, as
that was added to increase stability, which it did to the detriment
of manouverability. The change made Coastal Command happy, but
the nightfighter boys preferred the flat tailplane, which would also be
preferable for a Speed version due to lower drag than the dihedral
version.
Jon
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I was lucky to snag another 1/72 Hasegawa Beaufighter VI today.
In addition to great ideas already suggested, I was thinking of doing my own MK. II using Lanc Engines. Has anyone tried this combo? The High Planes MK II is nearly $40.
Or maybe Griffons from a Shackleton.
Or a FAA carrier model with folding wings?
And for Dr. YoKai, a mid to T-tail design like the Meteor.
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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/BS.png)
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:-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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How about a Beaufighter armed with the Molins "6-pounder Class M" cannon as per the Mosquito FB Mk XVIII "Tsetse"?
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/photo_zpsd64301fc.jpg)
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I don't think there would be room for anything else except the 6 Pdr in the fuselage, Greg. The magazine and autoloader weren't insignificant items (they were in the Mossie's bombbay). The Baufighter was very cramped, with the fuselage not much bigger than the crew's seated height. You'd lose the 20mm cannon and the main fuselage fuel tank. You'd more than likely need a large, bulged fairing to accommodate it.
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Agreed, it's a large installation.
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Molins.htm (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Molins.htm)
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I was definitely thinking an external fairing...maybe akin to that carried by some Hs129s and Ju88s.
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one Beaufighter was trialed with a pair of 40mm cannon internally, one each of a Vickers and a Rolls Royce cannon
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I put the 40 mm s in the wings on mine...
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6210/6047948362_88f95b7882.jpg)
Probably should have put some bulged fairings on one side of the wing...
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Carrier based strike fighter and night fighter variants?
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Random Idea: RNZAF Beaufighter in one of these schemes:
(http://www.venturapublications.com/store/images/V7275-2013.jpg)
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Could have actually happened too with, Israel grabbed anything they could back then. As an aside, has anyone ever seen any photos of Israeli Beaufighters I know they existed but never seen pics?
This poor image is on the Israeli Air Force official website but it could of one in any service.
(http://www.iaf.org.il/Sip_Storage/FILES/1/448X0/16981.jpg)
Apart from flight sim pictures and models that's the best I could find on the web.
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Best I have seen:
(http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Rev3/2101-2200/rev2184-IsraDecal-IAF-74/09.jpg)
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Only four in service, well that's a good reason there are so few photos and limited information on them. Thanks for that.
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I seemed to remember reading an Air-Britain article about aircraft being acquired by Israel at that time. There was some sort of sanctions or something placed on them and many aircraft Israel had acquired were impounded, the four Beaufighters in service were the ones that got through but IIRC there were some others.
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Yes there were sanctions against Israel at that time - the Beaufighters were purchased to ostensibly be used in a movie (western-desert story?) to be made in Israel. Some thought otherwise ... so most were prevented from leaving the UK but four managed to get away - think one had to make an emergency-landing in Spain on the way.
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Yes there were sanctions against Israel at that time - the Beaufighters were purchased to ostensibly be used in a movie (western-desert story?) to be made in Israel. Some thought otherwise ... so most were prevented from leaving the UK but four managed to get away - think one had to make an emergency-landing in Spain on the way.
A story worthy of a movie in its own right.
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Random idea: Firebomber variant of Beaufighter akin to the Tigercat shown below:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c2/4e/2f/c24e2f7a30267e93eb53e5ab15a868d4.jpg)
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Random Idea: RNZAF Beaufighter in one of these schemes:
([url]http://www.venturapublications.com/store/images/V7275-2013.jpg[/url])
I have that sheet. Now I have a reason to buy the new Airfix Mk.X! 8)
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How early could a FAA carrier based version have been deployed assuming it was ordered off the drawing board as the original heavy fighter version was?
Could such an aircraft have been in service late 1941 or early 42?
Assuming the decision to proceed with such an aircraft was made in 1939, would it have been possible to have a suitably modified carrier available for trails and more importantly to deploy it by early or mid 1941?
Hypothetical modified Ark Royal, two instead of three shafts, BD instead of UD 4.5" twins and of course larger lifts, stronger deck, arrested gear and more powerful catapults designed for much larger heavier aircraft, i.e. a navalised Beaufighter (Gawd how awful does Seabeaufighter sound :s). This lighter cheaper but more versatile Ark along with its Beaus is ready for service in late 41, just in time to support US operations against Japan in 42.
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... and whatif twin tail?
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... and whatif twin tail?
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There was an actual twin tail Beaufighter
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Random idea: Firebomber variant of Beaufighter akin to the Tigercat shown below:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c2/4e/2f/c24e2f7a30267e93eb53e5ab15a868d4.jpg)
Re-engined with 6XX/7XX series Hercules (rear swept exhaust, free exit cowling etc.) as used on the various versions
of the Bristol 170 Freighter/Wayfarer. The 1,980 hp 732 were up to 3,000 hrs TBO by the late 1970s. Either
cropped four-blade or a five-blade props would be needed, or to really confuse the issue, fat VDM/Dora 9 type three-blade.
;D
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z236/radialicious/DSCF0291-1.jpg)
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How early could a FAA carrier based version have been deployed assuming it was ordered off the drawing board as the original heavy fighter version was?
Could such an aircraft have been in service late 1941 or early 42?
Assuming the decision to proceed with such an aircraft was made in 1939, would it have been possible to have a suitably modified carrier available for trails and more importantly to deploy it by early or mid 1941?
Hypothetical modified Ark Royal, two instead of three shafts, BD instead of UD 4.5" twins and of course larger lifts, stronger deck, arrested gear and more powerful catapults designed for much larger heavier aircraft, i.e. a navalised Beaufighter (Gawd how awful does Seabeaufighter sound :s). This lighter cheaper but more versatile Ark along with its Beaus is ready for service in late 41, just in time to support US operations against Japan in 42.
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/SeaBeau.jpg)
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Jon, I think I know that Hercules!
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/cf09/DSC_0313.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/cf09/DSC_0313.jpg.html)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/CF15/CPT%20cropped_zpslpj2hcpu.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/CF15/CPT%20cropped_zpslpj2hcpu.jpg.html)
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read yesterday that the Nord Noratlas also used the Bristol Hercules engines - 4 as-new being examples were supplied to a Halifax restoration.
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read yesterday that the Nord Noratlas also used the Bristol Hercules engines - 4 as-new being examples were supplied to a Halifax restoration.
Yep, the Hercules 790, which was, along with the torquemeter equipped 791, the last of the civil versions, redesigned
rear case along with the rear-swept exhaust and free exit cowl. Lot's of changes required to backdate it to the type
used on the Halibag.
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Random idea: Firebomber variant of Beaufighter akin to the Tigercat shown below:
([url]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c2/4e/2f/c24e2f7a30267e93eb53e5ab15a868d4.jpg[/url])
Re-engined with 6XX/7XX series Hercules (rear swept exhaust, free exit cowling etc.) as used on the various versions
of the Bristol 170 Freighter/Wayfarer. The 1,980 hp 732 were up to 3,000 hrs TBO by the late 1970s. Either
cropped four-blade or a five-blade props would be needed, or to really confuse the issue, fat VDM/Dora 9 type three-blade.
;D
([url]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z236/radialicious/DSCF0291-1.jpg[/url])
Something like this?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4414/36817298492_f9da502e30_c.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4338/36817298522_9db51caace_c.jpg)
Chris
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How early could a FAA carrier based version have been deployed assuming it was ordered off the drawing board as the original heavy fighter version was?
Could such an aircraft have been in service late 1941 or early 42?
Assuming the decision to proceed with such an aircraft was made in 1939, would it have been possible to have a suitably modified carrier available for trails and more importantly to deploy it by early or mid 1941?
Hypothetical modified Ark Royal, two instead of three shafts, BD instead of UD 4.5" twins and of course larger lifts, stronger deck, arrested gear and more powerful catapults designed for much larger heavier aircraft, i.e. a navalised Beaufighter (Gawd how awful does Seabeaufighter sound :s). This lighter cheaper but more versatile Ark along with its Beaus is ready for service in late 41, just in time to support US operations against Japan in 42.
([url]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/SeaBeau.jpg[/url])
:)
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Random idea: Firebomber variant of Beaufighter akin to the Tigercat shown below:
([url]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c2/4e/2f/c24e2f7a30267e93eb53e5ab15a868d4.jpg[/url])
Re-engined with 6XX/7XX series Hercules (rear swept exhaust, free exit cowling etc.) as used on the various versions
of the Bristol 170 Freighter/Wayfarer. The 1,980 hp 732 were up to 3,000 hrs TBO by the late 1970s. Either
cropped four-blade or a five-blade props would be needed, or to really confuse the issue, fat VDM/Dora 9 type three-blade.
;D
([url]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z236/radialicious/DSCF0291-1.jpg[/url])
Something like this?
([url]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/CentaurusTigercat.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s92.photobucket.com/user/chris7421/media/CentaurusTigercat.jpg.html[/url])
([url]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/Banff_Tigercat.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s92.photobucket.com/user/chris7421/media/Banff_Tigercat.jpg.html[/url])
Chris
Similar, but Jennings notion used Centaurus.
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Fuel to inspire some:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/Beau001-1.jpg)
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Fuel to inspire some:
([url]http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/Beau001-1.jpg[/url])
I was just thinking of doing that, with all our discussions on Tsetse's, i.e. a Molins or a pair of RR "S". Weird....
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I was just thinking of doing that, with all our discussions on Tsetse's, i.e. a Molins or a pair of RR "S". Weird....
Well, you weren't wearing your protection were you...
(http://www.thelastgreatstand.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Tin-Foil1-1024x426.jpg)
I have ways of monitoring all members of BTS you know...
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Fuel to inspire some:
([url]http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/Beau001-1.jpg[/url])
I was just thinking of doing that, with all our discussions on Tsetse's, i.e. a Molins or a pair of RR "S". Weird....
I'm sure I've read somewhere you can get a 1/72 conversion of this, just got to remember where I've seen it ---- ::)
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Not sure about a conversion kit but here is another image of the real thing:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/Beaufighter_40mm-2.jpg)
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And whilst on the topic of Beaufighter oddballs:
Turret armed version:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/beau5.jpg)
Griffon Engined variant:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/tumblr_nsiqzbkCMy1u87v54o1_500.jpg)
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No external barrels?
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No external barrels?
There appears to be a small stub barrel on the port cannon - see this slightly different version of the same photo:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/319faf30-f230-46b1-a931-30b187f9a73c.jpg)
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No external barrels?
There appears to be a small stub barrel on the port cannon - see this slightly different version of the same photo:
([url]http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/319faf30-f230-46b1-a931-30b187f9a73c.jpg[/url])
Thanks. So the breech must be behind the wing?
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No external barrels?
There appears to be a small stub barrel on the port cannon - see this slightly different version of the same photo:
([url]http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/319faf30-f230-46b1-a931-30b187f9a73c.jpg[/url])
Thanks. So the breech must be behind the wing?
If you place the 40mm cannon pods that are on the Hurricane Mk.IV, onto the Beaufighter fuselage, you'll find the breach is about mid-chord of the wing. I'm fairly sure that is where these guns lie too.
The stub you see protruding is a blast tube, the guns were actually offset so that the ammo boxes could sit one in front of the other in the center between them
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Griffon Engined variant:
([url]http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/tumblr_nsiqzbkCMy1u87v54o1_500.jpg[/url])
On the "to-do" list, was thinking of dropping this cowling below into rubber and make some castings
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I'm thinking that the 40mm cannon would be placed in much the same area as the normal 20mm cannon were:
(http://users.skynet.be/Emmanuel.Gustin/fgun/hisp-b.jpg)(http://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/weapons-systems-tech-/244810d1381248807t-beaufighter-wing-armament-details-bristol-beaufighter-technical0413-jpg)
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Griffon Engined variant:
([url]http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/tumblr_nsiqzbkCMy1u87v54o1_500.jpg[/url])
On the "to-do" list, was thinking of dropping this cowling below into rubber and make some castings
That Griffon bird would be a beast, maybe with a modified armament of two 20mm and a single 40mm S or 57mm Molins
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Griffon Engined variant:
([url]http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/tumblr_nsiqzbkCMy1u87v54o1_500.jpg[/url])
On the "to-do" list, was thinking of dropping this cowling below into rubber and make some castings
That Griffon bird would be a beast, maybe with a modified armament of two 20mm and a single 40mm S or 57mm Molins
I see both props turn counter clockwise. That would be some nasty torque on takeoff.
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Some better views of the turreted version:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/5474f2c3.jpg?t=1238483559)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/3ba4f00b.jpg?t=1238483592)
I have seen a model of this though I am not sure if it was scratch built or a conversion kit - I suspect the former.
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Another shot of the Griffon powered variant:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/1987309.jpg~original)
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And two of the Beaufighter based engine test rig:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/beau.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/5839768225_3f13f7d765.jpg)
Note the 4 bladed props in the second pic.
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Just an interesting photo of a RAAF Beaufighter:
(http://media.us-iad-rs.aldryn.net/media/z4ovTCqo5TSU4X2biIe6iUip0jmd6MV64sL2W0EUKtFHJI660vcpe2WfQcowtd9v/filer_public/b1/7c/b17ca4d5-b60a-4f4f-9460-e6797c105411/peter_demaine_david_doughton_reg_bowden_alec_rathand_moratai_jan45_a8-6.jpg)
From here (http://www.31squadronassociation.com.au/en/31-squadron-associtation-archives/31-squadron-association-profile/)
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A bit more on the photo shown above:
The photo of "Winston" was donated to AWM by Reg Bowden, who was the armourer for the aircraft. In 2010 I built a model of Winston for Reg, and I gathered information from Reg, and Peter Demaine who was the Navigator. Peter provided the squadron code after referring to his logbook.
A8-6 (EH-K) was an Australian Mk21 delivered to 31 Sqn in September 44 along with A8-13 and was authorised to be repainted in the earlier Coastal Command camouflage scheme (green, grey and sky) by CO 31 Sqn after the pilot Dave Doughton visited 30 Sqn to see how they were using the Mk21 aircraft. He was stunned that the Foliage green aircraft were flown in close formation over the jungle in poor visibility and believed that mid-air accidents were inevitable. The aircraft was repainted in October 1944 and the photo was taken in Moratai in January 1945. Neither Peter or Reg could remember where exactly the repainting was done, but that it was unlikely to have been done at Coomalie Creek.
Dave Doughton was an anglophile hence the name "Winston" and the Bulldog's head on the nose, while every other aircraft in 31 Sqn had the Richmond Tiger painted on the nose. This came from the CUB workers donating the production cost of a Beaufighter. The Sqn painted the Tiger on the nose. The workers were so happy that they donated part of their traditional brewery workers daily beer to 31 Sqn. So the Squadron painted a Tiger's head on every aircraft. Dave was also a very forthright individual, hence getting his way in repainting an aircraft that was only six weeks old. He took Reg along on a number of missions so that he could reload the 20mm cannons after the initial strike. Reg sat on top of the reload ammunition during the approach and first attack, then reloaded and got to enjoy a second time over the target. His pay went from 6 shillings to 10 shillings per day every time he flew one of these missions, so the pay section hated him. Reg said that both the Japanese and the Pay section wanted to see him dead, but with the Japanese it was professional not personal.
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Interesting video showing RAAF Beaufighters (and other aircraft) in operation over New Guinea during the war:
https://youtu.be/D9EevmmgJSM
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(http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/VSgun.jpg)
Vickers S
The Rolls-Royce BH box magazine mounted at the very rear of
the gun.
The Hurricane II Manual (RAF Museum Series), has drawings in the back
of the two different installations which make the layout differences between
the cannon fairly clear. In both cases the functional bits would be well back
in the belly of the Beau.
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The Rolls-Royce BH box magazine mounted at the very rear of the gun.
Interesting Jon.
A photo purporting to be of the QF 2-pounder Mark XIV (the Rolls-Royce gun adapted for use on Fairmile MGBs) shows a magazine position very similar to the Vickers 'S'. Attached is that Coastal Forces gun image (skewed to the horizontal).
Apparently the Rolls-Royce gun (and cradle) weighed 336 lbs/152 kg. Like the Vickers, it was a long-recoil weapon. Recoil distance was 17.5 inches/445 mm. BTW, it sounds like the Rolls-Royce gun was a bit of a dog ... probably better to stick with the Vickers 'S'.
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Read a paperback some decades ago about night fighting in Beaufighter. Title was maybe "Night Fighter".
Radar equipped night fighter was an all new deal. They were doing first time stuff with the radar equipment and the flying technique. Pioneering the "night fighter".
Tweaking equipment, measures & countermeasures, and tactics all the while. Is recommended reading.
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Read a paperback some decades ago about night fighting in Beaufighter. Title was maybe "Night Fighter".
Radar equipped night fighter was an all new deal. They were doing first time stuff with the radar equipment and the flying technique. Pioneering the "night fighter".
Tweaking equipment, measures & countermeasures, and tactics all the while. Is recommended reading.
Yes got that one in my library, as you say it's a good read. It was about John Cunningham (who went on to be a test pilot) and his wireless operator (what they called them back then) Rawlnsey (or something like that).
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Read a paperback some decades ago about night fighting in Beaufighter. Title was maybe "Night Fighter".
Radar equipped night fighter was an all new deal. They were doing first time stuff with the radar equipment and the flying technique. Pioneering the "night fighter".
Tweaking equipment, measures & countermeasures, and tactics all the while. Is recommended reading.
Yes got that one in my library, as you say it's a good read. It was about John Cunningham (who went on to be a test pilot) and his wireless operator (what they called them back then) Rawlnsey (or something like that).
Another good Beaufighter read is :: Silently into the Midst of Things: 177 SQN RAF in Burma. (http://www.amazon.com/Silently-Midst-Things-Squadron-1943-1945/dp/1552126633) Author: Atholl Sutherland Brown was born in Ottawa in 1923, lived in London, England, as a child but much of the rest of his life in Victoria, BC, Canada. He was a pilot in Burma with 177 Squadron RAF in 1944-45 and awarded the DFC in 1945. After the World War he became a geologist, and eventually Chief Geologist of the British Columbia Geological Survey.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TXhlybCtL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS/i-FztLq2N/0/35e756d8/O/BEAU_40MM_01.png)
Vickers S in Beaufighter belly.
Hurricane II drawings showing the two cannons, note that magazine of the Vickers is forward of the rear spar,
while the hopper magazine of the R-R B-H is aft of the rear spar. The protruding hopper was cover by fairing.
the gun itself was left exposed.
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Hi Jon,
What's the source of the first photo?
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SAM Modeller's Datafile 6, Bristol Beaufighter
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The Vickers S used the 40x158R 2pdr Pom Pom case not the 40x304R 2pdr AT round I had assumed, so how about an automatic version of of the 2pdr AT gun (i.e. a smaller Molins) or an up-scaled Vickers S using the larger round as an alternative to the S or Molins on the Beaufighter. Smaller and lighter than the 57mm with a higher rate of fire as well as higher velocity, greater penetration and hitting power than the S it could conceivably have armed the Beaufighter.
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Two interesting videos:
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/F03325/ (https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/F03325/)
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/F04758/ (https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/F04758/)
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The Vickers S used the 40x158R 2pdr Pom Pom case not the 40x304R 2pdr AT round I had assumed, so how about an automatic version of of the 2pdr AT gun (i.e. a smaller Molins) or an up-scaled Vickers S using the larger round as an alternative to the S or Molins on the Beaufighter. Smaller and lighter than the 57mm with a higher rate of fire as well as higher velocity, greater penetration and hitting power than the S it could conceivably have armed the Beaufighter.
Unfortunately, with the larger round you would get a heavier recoil. The aircraft structures were at their limits with the Vickers S gun AIUI, therefore you'd need to beef the structure up. Added to that would be the need to carry fewer, heavier rounds which would be used up quicker. The Vickers S armed aircraft were like most such beasts a compromise. The reason why they were effective was because of the added velocity of the aircraft, not because the gun necessarily had a high velocity in itself.
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The Vickers S used the 40x158R 2pdr Pom Pom case not the 40x304R 2pdr AT round I had assumed, so how about an automatic version of of the 2pdr AT gun (i.e. a smaller Molins) or an up-scaled Vickers S using the larger round as an alternative to the S or Molins on the Beaufighter. Smaller and lighter than the 57mm with a higher rate of fire as well as higher velocity, greater penetration and hitting power than the S it could conceivably have armed the Beaufighter.
Unfortunately, with the larger round you would get a heavier recoil. The aircraft structures were at their limits with the Vickers S gun AIUI, therefore you'd need to beef the structure up. Added to that would be the need to carry fewer, heavier rounds which would be used up quicker. The Vickers S armed aircraft were like most such beasts a compromise. The reason why they were effective was because of the added velocity of the aircraft, not because the gun necessarily had a high velocity in itself.
Hence my reference to the Molins gun, a larger heavier weapon, with greater recoil, intended to replace the Vickers S. It is conceivable that if the mosquito can be fitted with a single molins and a Beaufighter with a pair of Vickers S then either could be fitted with an automatic 2Pdr and a 20mm.
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The Beaufighter with the two 40mm; one Vickers, one R-R, was actually more a testbed for the weapons
than a test of an anti-tank Beau.
The Molins company could probably have developed an auto-loader for the 2Pdr along the lines of the one
they built for the 6Pdr, but as the RAF were already looking at larger calibres it's questionable whether
anyone saw a need.
The 47mm P gun project got started in 1942:
http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/Pgun.htm (http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/Pgun.htm)
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More speculation than anything else. Could even have been an Australian development due to the existence of 2Pdr production and a requirement for a heavy weapon for attack aircraft.
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One could have seen the need/development of heavy gun armed variants if the development of rocket projectiles such as the RP-3 ran into some sort of development or production problem.
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An automatic 2pdr fitted to a torpedo bomber would make life interesting for AA gunners on ships, it wouldn't just make them keep their heads down, it would be punching through the majority of gun shields.
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Beaufighter twin float torpedo / strike fighter for Pacific Islands campaign. Inspired by the photoshopped four engine Beech on the Beech twins thread.
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Beaufighter twin float torpedo / strike fighter for Pacific Islands campaign. Inspired by the photoshopped four engine Beech on the Beech twins thread.
With the float struts designed to pick up the trunnions for the main landing gear so as to simplify any strengthening required by transmitting landing loads through already robust structure.
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Exactly.
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Beaufighter twin float torpedo / strike fighter for Pacific Islands campaign.
I took that idea a step further ---- ;)
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Was actually looking at those pics today in an old Floaty GB inspiration thread, nice work.
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([url]http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/SeaBeau.jpg[/url])
Sorry Greg, somewhere, some how, I missed this! :(
I personally have always loved the notion of a carrier-based Beaufighter! It would have been such a high performance and hard hitting surprise to German, Italian and Japanese ships and ground targets!
Is there any chance that you could have a go at introducing a Grumman-type (Wildcat/Hellcat/Avenger arrangement) folding arrangement for the wings, or a two-fold wing arrangement? As the existing arrangement you've done would give rise to issues of below-deck storage and maintenance. :-[
M.A.D
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Was actually looking at those pics today in an old Floaty GB inspiration thread, nice work.
Thanks!
Beaufighter with floats is possible using the floats from the XC-47C conversion, they both have almost identical max' take-off weights
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Folding wing Naval Beaufighter. Nice one Greg!
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Would look great in 1/700, ranged on the deck of an Ark Royal derived "unarmoured" Fleet Carrier in the Pacific early 1942. This is exactly what I am planning with my Aoshima Ark Royal.
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Would look great in 1/700, ranged on the deck of an Ark Royal derived "unarmoured" Fleet Carrier in the Pacific early 1942. This is exactly what I am planning with my Aoshima Ark Royal.
Sounds like you need some of these (http://www.hlj.com/product/PITMP-79/Nav)
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Would look great in 1/700, ranged on the deck of an Ark Royal derived "unarmoured" Fleet Carrier in the Pacific early 1942. This is exactly what I am planning with my Aoshima Ark Royal.
Sounds like you need some of these ([url]http://www.hlj.com/product/PITMP-79/Nav[/url])
Nice, I recall seeing some plastic Pitroad ones somewhere too, failing that there's always Shapeways.
been planning this one ever since I read that Ark exceeded specified performance requirements by such a degree during trials, it was determined that she would still exceed them with only 2/3 the machinery, i.e. four boilers, two shafts, which would also dramatically improve survivability as the space saved could be used for greater subdivision as well as for extra aviation fuel, weapons and stores. Twin hangers merged into a single one, flight usable deck length increased and lifts, cats and arrester gear all upgraded for larger heavier aircraft (i.e. for an originally planned Blenheim torpedo bomber), planned to counter the growing Japanese threat once they advised they were withdrawing from the naval arms control treaties.
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Some better views of the turreted version:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/5474f2c3.jpg?t=1238483559[/url])
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/3ba4f00b.jpg?t=1238483592[/url])
I have seen a model of this though I am not sure if it was scratch built or a conversion kit - I suspect the former.
With the Alleycat MK II conversion, add the twin tail to improve the field of fire.
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Well High Planes do/did one of those in 1/72
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Two questions:
- Has anyone built or seen a Beaufighter re-engined with turboprop engines?
- If yes, how did you do it?
TIA
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Two questions:
- Has anyone built or seen a Beaufighter re-engined with turboprop engines?
- If yes, how did you do it?
TIA
Haven't seen or done it, but I imagine if you could get your hands on one of the conversions that changes a DC-3 or Tracker to a Turboprop powered version, you'd be in the right place to start.
PT6-A67s, Mambas, Darts, TPE331s are all candidate engines, depending upon when you want this top be operating, so you could also look for aircraft using those and Buy a twin engined aircraft kit in the right scale and fair the TP nacelle into the radial nacelle.
Just some thoughts.
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Yeah, the era you want this is probably the main thing. If early on then I would probably go with Darts or Mambas. If later, something like the PT6 would be the way to go. You are probably looking for something in the 1600-2000 shp range.
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Re-reading this topic, I like the idea of your COIN Beaufighter GTX.........clipped wings for low-altitude work, a gondola-mounted (Henschel Hs 129 style) 6-pounder gun as used by the de Havilland Mosquito, armoured cockpit and windscreen, ......
M.A.D
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Re-reading this topic, I like the idea of your COIN Beaufighter GTX.........clipped wings for low-altitude work, a gondola-mounted (Henschel Hs 129 style) 6-pounder gun as used by the de Havilland Mosquito, armoured cockpit and windscreen, ......
M.A.D
For COIN I'm not sure you want a large-bore, slow-firing gun. I'd think you want higher cyclic rates and more ammo. The M61 Vulcan or 30mm Aden are good high-rate guns that would be available from the early 50s that might be good for COIN targets, which are generally softer targets not requiring any real punch if you hit them, so there is a higher value on getting a hit than effectiveness of any one hit.
A Dart Turbo-Beau with a 2-gun ADEN gun pack under the belly and some sensors (FLIR) in the nose replacing the original Hispanos might be an interesting solution around 1962-65. You could replace the original .303s in the wings with a couple .50 cals to retain some lighter MG capability.
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I just wanted a faster airplane to deliver cold ice cream treats to all the kiddies.
But if you want to blow things up, I'm okay with that.
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I just wanted a faster airplane to deliver cold ice cream treats to all the kiddies.
But if you want to blow things up, I'm okay with that.
😂😂😂
Hey, kids like things that blow up! Well I did 😬
M.A.D
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Re-reading this topic, I like the idea of your COIN Beaufighter GTX.........clipped wings for low-altitude work, a gondola-mounted (Henschel Hs 129 style) 6-pounder gun as used by the de Havilland Mosquito, armoured cockpit and windscreen, ......
M.A.D
For COIN I'm not sure you want a large-bore, slow-firing gun. I'd think you want higher cyclic rates and more ammo. The M61 Vulcan or 30mm Aden are good high-rate guns that would be available from the early 50s that might be good for COIN targets, which are generally softer targets not requiring any real punch if you hit them, so there is a higher value on getting a hit than effectiveness of any one hit.
A Dart Turbo-Beau with a 2-gun ADEN gun pack under the belly and some sensors (FLIR) in the nose replacing the original Hispanos might be an interesting solution around 1962-65. You could replace the original .303s in the wings with a couple .50 cals to retain some lighter MG capability.
I take and concur with your point re the large caliber gun tankmodeler
I don't know about the FLIR re the era I was envisaging (1950's/60's)......
I was picturing a very simple, very rugged aircraft....😉
M.A.D
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I take and concur with your point re the large caliber gun tankmodeler
I don't know about the FLIR re the era I was envisaging (1950's/60's)......
I was picturing a very simple, very rugged aircraft....😉
Yeah, FLIR would be late 60s for sure. Simple Mk I eyeball aiming would be perfect for the 50s, say Malaya or Aden.
You kind of end up with a Commonwealth twin-engined Skyraider sort of thing. Capable of using guns and a pretty reasonable selection of iron bombs, rockets and napalm.
Paul
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I take and concur with your point re the large caliber gun tankmodeler
I don't know about the FLIR re the era I was envisaging (1950's/60's)......
I was picturing a very simple, very rugged aircraft....😉
You kind of end up with a Commonwealth twin-engined Skyraider sort of thing. Capable of using guns and a pretty reasonable selection of iron bombs, rockets and napalm.
Paul
I like your analogy of a twin-engined Skyraider sort of thing!!!
Always thought two-engine redundancy in a CAS/COIN aircraft!
M.A.D
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I like your analogy of a twin-engined Skyraider sort of thing!!!
Always thought two-engine redundancy in a CAS/COIN aircraft!
Oh, yeah, twin engines for CAS/COIN are a big thing for me, as well. That's why I really liked the Mohawk and Bronco. And dislike the new light attack aircraft the USAF is trialing now as they are both singles. The Pucara, and Mohawk are almost perfect COIN aircraft in my mind. The Bronco pretty much is perfect as it also has the additional benefit of the cargo compartment in the rear for SOF and casevac duties.
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Re-reading this topic, I like the idea of your COIN Beaufighter GTX.........clipped wings for low-altitude work, a gondola-mounted (Henschel Hs 129 style) 6-pounder gun as used by the de Havilland Mosquito, armoured cockpit and windscreen, ......
I was thinking pretty much standard Beaufighter Mk.21 with four 20 mm cannon in the fuselage and four Browning 12.7 mm in the wings plus the ability to carry rockets/bombs etc underwing. Maybe be willing to load it up some more with external ordinance in a COIN/CAS role ala the Skyraider model and use more modern weapons including cluster bombs, napalm etc. In this the overall speed performance might suffer but that wouldn't necessarily be an issue.
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Following all these ideas it reminds me Bristol had the same thoughts --- they built it too, call the Bristol Brigand ---- ;)
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The other Bristol Beaufighter ;D :icon_fsm::
(https://bristolcars.co.uk/Past/Cars-Past/files/stacks_image_1014.png)
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Following all these ideas it reminds me Bristol had the same thoughts --- they built it too, call the Bristol Brigand ---- ;)
Indeed and they were used with mixed results in Malaysia in a COIN role. I wish there was a 1/48 model kit available too.
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Yes, I didn't even think of the Brigand kitnut617!😯
Although quickly needing to refresh my memory of the obscure Brigand and it's operational traits, alas the re-reading of it short operational history only highlighted to me that the design had inherent problems operating in the tropics:
- Problem with the Brigand became apparent during operations in Malaya, with undercarriages failing to lower. This was traced to rubber seals in the hydraulic jacks deteriorating in the hot, humid climate;
- A propensity for aircraft damage and loss during strafing runs employing the four 20 mm cannon. An accumulation of gases in the long cannon blast tubes, which ran under the cockpit, were igniting through use of high-explosive shells. This in turn severed hydraulic lines, which would burn. This was cured by drastically reducing ammunition loads and using only ball rounds;
- The Brigand also had a tendency to shed a propeller blade, leading to complete propeller failure; this in turn would lead to the engine being wrenched off the wing and an inevitable crash. This was found to be caused by corrosion in the propeller locking rings;
- Another design flaw arose in the leather bellows used to deploy the air brakes during dives. In the tropical climate, the leather would rot, causing the brakes to fail. This led to Brigands losing wings in dives due to excessive airspeed or rotation as only one brake deployed. When this problem was discovered the air brakes of all Brigands were wired shut, decreasing the aircraft's dive bombing capabilities.
I'm trying to remember, did the Beaufighter have such issues with rubber seals in the hydraulic jacks deteriorating in the hot, humid climate? or a tendency to shed a propeller blade caused by corrosion in the propeller locking rings?
I hear and agree with you 110% tankmodeler regarding the Mohawk, Pucara and the Bronco; and if I may, I'd like to add the much forgotten and overlooked Sud-Aviation SE.117 Voltigeur (Skirmisher) to that list of tailored-designed and employed COIN aircraft.
2- to 6-seat capacity, armed with two 30-mm DEFA cannon in semi-external, fuselage pods. Underwing loads could include one 1000-lb and two 500-lb bombs, 24 rockets, or four AS.11 missiles. The pilot and co-pilot/observer's view through extensively glazed nose compartment, well ahead of the low-mounted wing; large dive brakes, and a range of 1100 miles and endurance was more than 5 hours.
M.A.D
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A lot of issues only become apparent in peace or low intensity operations because they are caused by environmental exposure and even low use. Some rubbers and plastics degrade when not used, or not used as often, some components with life measured in flight hours never suffered environmental related failures because they were serviced or replaced more frequently during higher tempo operations. Types of parts that never reached their shelf life in WWII sat in warehouses for years post war.
This sort of thing still happens today, a great example is parade boots, worn maybe once a year, losing their soles enmass during major parades when service personnel wear them for the third time ever over a three or four year period. The boots, have sat unused for that period of time, the plastics in the sole, not being worked, starts to chemically break down, dozens of personnel, put their shiny as new boots on for he first time since they were issued years earlier, march out and leave their soles on the ground behind them.
I actually had this happen to a pair of work boots, the soles fell off when I had to wear them while doing a could of days familiarisation on flight line. Then there was the five year old motorbike boots I had only worn three times that disintegrated in my hands when I took them out of the WIR.
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Thanks Volkodav, I appreciate your take, and yes I can understand and relate to your analogy. 👍
M.A.D
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I was definitely thinking an external fairing...maybe akin to that carried by some Hs129s and Ju88s.
I like the idea of the adoption of the rugged Beaufighter adapted to an RAF Hs129-type anti-tank/ground attack platform - adding additional frontal armour, bullet proof windscreen, and of course a gondola with a Vickers Class "S" 40 mm cannon, instead of the Hurricane MkIID....
MAD
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I was definitely thinking an external fairing...maybe akin to that carried by some Hs129s and Ju88s.
I like the idea of the adoption of the rugged Beaufighter adapted to an RAF Hs129-type anti-tank/ground attack platform - adding additional frontal armour, bullet proof windscreen, and of course a gondola with a Vickers Class "S" 40 mm cannon, instead of the Hurricane MkIID....
MAD
The Beaufighter was actually tested with a pair of 40mm's, installed in the fuselage in leu of the 20mm's.
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Certainly was
(https://i.redd.it/i8q25qs4ytyy.jpg)
(https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/uk/raf/beaufighter/Bristol_Beaufighter_R2055_with_40mm_guns_1941.jpg)
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I think they should have installed a 20mm in each wing instead of the .303's >:D
That would've made a pretty good tank buster I think ---
The gondola idea would be good for the 6pdr used in the Mosquito ----
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I was definitely thinking an external fairing...maybe akin to that carried by some Hs129s and Ju88s.
I like the idea of the adoption of the rugged Beaufighter adapted to an RAF Hs129-type anti-tank/ground attack platform - adding additional frontal armour, bullet proof windscreen, and of course a gondola with a Vickers Class "S" 40 mm cannon, instead of the Hurricane MkIID....
MAD
The Beaufighter was actually tested with a pair of 40mm's, installed in the fuselage in leu of the 20mm's.
Thank you kitnut617, I wasn't aware 😯
MAD
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Certainly was
(https://i.redd.it/i8q25qs4ytyy.jpg)
(https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/uk/raf/beaufighter/Bristol_Beaufighter_R2055_with_40mm_guns_1941.jpg)
Thank you dadlamassu
Do we know what the trials derived?
Would be interesting to have seen footage of it firing those 40mm cannons.
MAD
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There is more info on the 40mm armed Beaufighter earlier in this entire thread.
Whilst looking into it further, I cam across the following. Whilst not real any new info, the combined pictures of a twinned tailed Beaufighter, 40mm cannon armed Beau' plus those big round engines got me thinking - combine them all and get a WW2 "A-10" ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/FRvSH5B.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/A-10_-_32156159151.jpg)
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Another shot of the twin fins:
(https://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/uk/raf/beaufighter/Bristol_Beaufighter_Prototype_R2268_with_twin_fins.jpg)
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Hmm, a long strake on the port side, don't see one on the starboard side though --- interesting.
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And it's available in guess which scale? The best scale!
(https://www.alleycatmodels.co.uk/ekmps/shops/a2zeemodels/images/bristol-beaufighter-twin-tail-prototype-conversion-6620-1-p[ekm]1000x689[ekm].jpg)
AlleyCat Models: https://www.alleycatmodels.co.uk/bristol-beaufighter-twin-tail-prototype-conversion-6620-p.asp (https://www.alleycatmodels.co.uk/bristol-beaufighter-twin-tail-prototype-conversion-6620-p.asp)
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Must I tell you again Carl!!!
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I'm a slow learner. All my reports cards had that note on it.
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I'm a slow learner. All my reports cards had that note on it.
😆😂
MAD
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Some more photos of the real world R2600 conversion:
(http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/Beaufighter-A19-2/Beaufighter_A19_2_front_view.jpg)
(http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/Beaufighter-A19-2/Beaufighter_A19_2_extended_nacelle.jpg)
(http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/gallery/albums/Beaufighter-A19-2/Beaufighter_A19_2_rear_view.jpg)
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What was the performance figures for that version Greg, did the streamlined nacelles help it ?
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From what I have been able to find the Wright Cyclone GR-2600 radial engined powered version had much the same performance in terms of speed but that the engines were apparently noisier and didn’t handle as well.
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I think they should have installed a 20mm in each wing instead of the .303's >:D
That would've made a pretty good tank buster I think ---
The gondola idea would be good for the 6pdr used in the Mosquito ----
Australian-built Beaus had 2x.50 guns in each wing.
Chris
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Another view of A19-2
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49320416862_befd8c19ea_c.jpg)
Chris
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Errr...see page 1 of the thread.
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Errr...see page 1 of the thread.
Ah! My old abused brain forgot that photo from over 8.5 years ago.
Oh well!
Chris
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I know people that considers this a heresy. ;) :D
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Beaufighter_squarTail.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/72e47931-2684-43f8-803b-d61b46fe8c3b)
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/BeaufighterMk1F_2tail.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/3d3d168b-3e45-4ed9-808f-94dd318d7331)
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I used to have a 48th conversion set for the Merlin Beaus - it was well cast IIRC.
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I still have a copy of the CMK one in the stash:
(https://www.super-hobby.co.uk/zdjecia/5/3/0/1741_rd.jpg)
Here's some more similar photos:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YhGsknrK8Io/R__AF4QUY2I/AAAAAAAACRc/35BxxlsQvHM/s1600/bristol%2Bbeaufighter%2BII.jpg)(http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7029/6622223229_fc16b420f7.jpg)
It'ss interesting that while rare to see in photos/builds, there were some 447 Mk.IIs built in reality.
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I have this kit/boxing in the stash.
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/2/5/9/210259-11185-95-540.jpg)
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I have this kit/boxing in the stash.
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/2/5/9/210259-11185-95-540.jpg)
Me too Carl :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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me three ! ;D
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And the not so successful NF. Mk.V
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIuvXwXWUAUN1O7?format=jpg)
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I've got an idea of a turreted Beaufighter but the turret will be set further back down the fuselage ---- to offset the RR Griffons I intend building it with. Twin tailed too ---
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Beaufighter Mosquito
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