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Nationalist China - Nazi Germany Link Up
« on: April 14, 2021, 03:25:07 AM »
Folks,

In the real world The germans did have connections with the Chinese in the 1930s and beyond.  They even supplied a small number of HS123 aircraft and Panzer Is before aligning more with Japan.  What if this connection was expanded though (not sure how to manage the Japanese end just yet).  Perhaps this could be in part a way to put a pincer on the USSR.  Either way, perhaps we could see Chinese Ju87s, Me109s, Panzer Its, IIIs etc?

Thoughts?
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Re: Nationalist China - Nazi Germany Link Up
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2021, 05:23:11 AM »
China did use the SdKfz 222 and others before 1938.

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Re: Nationalist China - Nazi Germany Link Up
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2021, 01:37:33 AM »
China did use the SdKfz 222 and others before 1938.


Indeed - you can even get this model kit:



Add this to the Panzer I:



and HS123:




As mentioned above, maybe some Ju87s to replace Hs123s, Bf109s/Bf110s?  Maybe some Do17s/Ju88s/He111s?  a Ju52?  On the ground side, move to the Panzer II and III/IV?  Perhaps Germany finds a major trading partner with China or even pre-empts the real world by nearly 100yrs and put a lot of manufacturing in China - maybe as a way of avoiding scrutiny or perhaps a way to set up a pincer on the USSR.
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Re: Nationalist China - Nazi Germany Link Up
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2021, 02:34:39 AM »
Or Germany could have offered a licensing agreement to build more modern aircraft and tanks locally in China - the supply lines between Germany and China were long. After 1938, the contracts would have been nulled, but China could have just said "sue us, suckers!" and continued to build the tanks and aircraft locally, maybe with British or US engines.

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Re: Nationalist China - Nazi Germany Link Up
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2021, 03:02:43 AM »
Or Germany could have offered a licensing agreement to build more modern aircraft and tanks locally in China - the supply lines between Germany and China were long. After 1938, the contracts would have been nulled, but China could have just said "sue us, suckers!" and continued to build the tanks and aircraft locally, maybe with British or US engines.


A bit like what happened with Mauser rifles in real life IIRC

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Re: Nationalist China - Nazi Germany Link Up
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2021, 03:16:51 AM »
That is a possibility as well though will only get you the early design iterations and not the in-war ones.  Mind you, one could always then have the designs take on their own independent development path.
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