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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: ysi_maniac on July 16, 2016, 04:07:04 PM

Title: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 16, 2016, 04:07:04 PM
Liner derivatives.

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/He-177_liner.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/He-177_liner.jpg.html)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/He-277_liner.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/He-277_liner.jpg.html)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 17, 2016, 04:29:12 AM
I plan to do a turboprop Maritime Patrol version of the He177 someday
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: The Big Gimper on July 17, 2016, 04:50:18 AM
I have this kit FW-200 :

(http://oldmodelkits.com/jpegs/Rev%204387%20FW200%20Civ.JPG)

on which I think I will now use He 177 wings after seeing your profiles.
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: ysi_maniac on April 25, 2021, 05:45:02 AM
Fw-200 Condor   He-177 Greiff (Nose, tail, wings, and engines)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/fw200_he177(1).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/3632d80b-c117-46cd-8179-19cc2c85b8cb)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: ysi_maniac on April 25, 2021, 10:54:01 AM
Fw-200 with He-177 wings and DB 610 or NK12 engines.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/fw200_he177_top.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/682a5612-2ad7-48ee-980e-608909e4ab65)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 26, 2021, 02:41:21 AM
I wonder - 4 engined He177 but instead of coupled DB606s/DB610s or even 4 separate 'conventional' mounts such as not he He274/277, they do tandem DB601s/605s/603s with one in puller, one in pusher config but all in the same nacelle.  Would probably need tricycle undercarriage though.  Would be conceptually similar to this:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/oxxygino-me-264-pp-3view.jpg)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 26, 2021, 02:44:16 AM
And just for something simple, what about a He177 in North African or even Italian schemes?
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 26, 2021, 02:48:24 AM
And just like that I find something:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/desert177ex_zps2034d56e.jpg)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 26, 2021, 02:51:24 AM
And last of all:  Mistel He177...which one can apparently get in conversion kit form:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/s-l1600-25.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/s-l1600-26.jpg)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/s-l1600-27.jpg)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: finsrin on April 26, 2021, 05:52:37 AM
 Art work of tandem DB601s/605s/603s with one in puller, one in pusher configuration is inspiring.
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: Buzzbomb on April 27, 2021, 09:02:14 AM
Art work of tandem DB601s/605s/603s with one in puller, one in pusher configuration is inspiring.

As is the Turboprop idea... That might get stolen
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 28, 2021, 03:51:58 AM
Art work of tandem DB601s/605s/603s with one in puller, one in pusher configuration is inspiring.

As is the Turboprop idea... That might get stolen

I was planning on using some of the Unicraft DB.021 ones (they come in 1/48 & 1/72):

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/OCoAAOSwMupcv7Gg/s-l1600.jpg)

I was also planning on replacing the tail gun with a MAD boom and maybe take the turrets off.
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: ysi_maniac on April 28, 2021, 10:41:21 AM
Hi Greg (GTX), is this your idea of tandem engines?

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/He-177_2tandem.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/5dcb1599-d13a-4c01-b2bd-410e933dc1b0)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: finsrin on April 28, 2021, 04:48:54 PM
Like that profile  :smiley:
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 29, 2021, 02:54:47 AM
 :smiley:

One would definitely need either nose wheel tricycle undercarriage or perhaps tilting rear props ala Do26 below:

(https://drawingdatabase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Do-26-Dreiseiten.gif)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 01, 2021, 08:26:23 AM
In order to fix the problem with cooling... what about installing deeper annular radiators?

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/He-177_Xcooling.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/bf974e8b-ca08-450b-a68f-75b0828b9684)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 02, 2021, 02:08:12 AM
In order to fix the problem with cooling... what about installing deeper annular radiators?

When you read about the problems with the DB606 they were a lot more than just not having enough cooling.  The entire engine layout/installation was a mess., especially the oil system  When the DB610s were fitted though it sounds like much was resolved.

I find this comment supposedly from Göring of interest though:  "Why has this silly engine suddenly turned up, which is so idiotically welded together? They told me then, there would be two engines connected behind each other, and suddenly there appears this misbegotten monster of welded-together engines one cannot get at!"
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: The Big Gimper on May 02, 2021, 02:13:51 AM
Found on the web:

(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/tc2324/017_zpsec0096e3.jpg)

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q722/trickyrich62/Heinkel%20He-177Z%20A2%20Anti-Shipping/DSCF1836_zpscb3647f5.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/d1/27/02d1277ebba4ee47129d7563a4de9fec.jpg)


https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234939850-heinkel-he-377-amerika-bomber/ (https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234939850-heinkel-he-377-amerika-bomber/)
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234965238-172-heinkel-he-177z-a6r3-aalborg-april-1945-archive-photos/ (https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234965238-172-heinkel-he-177z-a6r3-aalborg-april-1945-archive-photos/)


Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 02, 2021, 02:56:13 AM
That last one (He577) is superb!
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: finsrin on May 02, 2021, 05:07:02 AM
Inspirational builds.   :smiley:  :smiley:  :smiley:
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: The Big Gimper on May 02, 2021, 08:06:03 AM
The first two were built by Trickyrich. He a BTS member but has not logged in in 2 over years.

Unable to identify the builder of the He-577. I wonder where the wings came from if not scratch built.
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 03, 2021, 01:33:01 AM
The He577 has a good dose of Horten Ho 229.  In fact checking proves that correct - see here:  https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234927171-group-build-chat/page/3/ (https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234927171-group-build-chat/page/3/)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: The Big Gimper on May 03, 2021, 03:13:15 AM
Thanks Greg. I googled "He 577" and this is my first search entry:

Gerber® HE-21-577 Toilet Bowl, White, Elongated, 10 or 12 in Rough-In, 2 in Trapway, Allerton™

https://www.firstsupply.com/Product/GERHE21577WHT (https://www.firstsupply.com/Product/GERHE21577WHT)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 03, 2021, 03:17:30 AM
Errr...you might have to use quite a bit of PSR to modify that one...just saying. ;)
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: apophenia on May 04, 2021, 07:11:50 AM
Errr...you might have to use quite a bit of PSR to modify that one...just saying. ;)

True ... but do-able   ;)

And I'm thinking that you really only need the top of the bowl  :smiley:  I haven't tried to 'weather' the bowl, that should be left to the toilet user  :P
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: The Big Gimper on May 04, 2021, 08:26:18 PM
Errr...you might have to use quite a bit of PSR to modify that one...just saying. ;)

True ... but do-able   ;)

And I'm thinking that you really only need the top of the bowl  :smiley:  I haven't tried to 'weather' the bowl, that should be left to the toilet user  :P

Thanks Stephen as I now have to wipe my morning coffee of my screen and keyboard.  ;D
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 05, 2021, 01:15:35 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 20, 2022, 04:10:51 PM
Schnelltransport, staff or cargo, extra tankage under cabin, based on He-177

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/SchnellTransportHe177_6fX2FZ8tgcXwJPYEKRXugz.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/SchnellTransportHe177_6fX2FZ8tgcXwJPYEKRXugz.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds")
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 21, 2022, 01:01:27 AM
Definitely need to move the fuel tanks from the original design:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/A_needle_in_a_haystack_-_the_missing_wedding_ring_of_a_WWI_vet_returned.jpg)

Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 07, 2022, 02:51:21 PM
Variations on He-177 theme (first one is RW)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/he177_various.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/he177_various.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds")
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 07, 2022, 08:22:55 PM
I quite like that last one.  How about a maritime patrol version with MAD book?
Title: Re: He-177, 277, 274
Post by: Frank3k on December 08, 2022, 01:29:11 AM
I like the one with the Ju-x88 nose.