Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Land => Topic started by: Jeffry Fontaine on March 20, 2012, 06:03:47 AM
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Marder IFV
Wikipedia - Marder IFV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marder_(IFV))
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Marder1A3.6.jpg/300px-Marder1A3.6.jpg) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Marder1A3.6.jpg)
(Image source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marder1A3.6.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marder1A3.6.jpg))
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TAM (Tank) and VCTP
Wikipedia - TAM (Tank), VCTP, VCA 155, VCTM, VCPC, VCLC, VCA (Med-Evac), and VCRT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAM_(tank)#Variants)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/TAM_snorkel.JPG/300px-TAM_snorkel.JPG) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/TAM_snorkel.JPG)
(Image source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TAM_snorkel.JPG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TAM_snorkel.JPG)
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Puma IFV
Wikipedia - Puma IFV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puma_(IFV))
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/SPz_Puma_Mobilit%C3%A4tsversuchfahrzeug_VS2.jpg/300px-SPz_Puma_Mobilit%C3%A4tsversuchfahrzeug_VS2.jpg) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/SPz_Puma_Mobilit%C3%A4tsversuchfahrzeug_VS2.jpg)
(Image source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SPz_Puma_Mobilitätsversuchfahrzeug_VS2.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SPz_Puma_Mobilitätsversuchfahrzeug_VS2.jpg))
PSM (Krauss-Maffei Wegmann - Rheinmetall Landsysteme) - Puma (http://www.psm-spz.com/index.php?id=home&L=1)
KMW (Krauss-Maffei Wegmann) - Puma (http://www.kmweg.de/10904--~PRODUKTE~kettenfahrzeuge~puma~puma.html)
Army Recognition.com - PUMA Technical Data Sheet and Images (http://www.armyrecognition.com/germany_german_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/puma_kmw_armoured_infantry_fighting_vehicle_data_sheet_specifications_information_description_uk.html)
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Links to models of the Marder IFV/TAM Family of Vehicles built by Diethelm Berlage at Track-Link.net (hot-linking images is not allowed):
VCTP with Mine Roller (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/5858)
VCTP, UN in Croatia (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/5857)
VCLC rocket-launcher (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/5899)
VCA 155mm Howitzer (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/5900)
TAM / TH 301 Prototype (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/5911)
VCTM mortar carrier (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/5910)
VCI Marder 1A3 (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/7685)
Marder KUKA M12 Project, 1998 (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/7385)
TH301/TAM Tractor (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/6643)
The gallery containing all of Diethelm's Models at Track-Link.net (http://www.track-link.net/gallery/dberlage)
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I recall seeing some drawings in a German modelling magazine many years ago for an Infantry Fire Support Vehicle based on the Marder IFV that was armed with a 57mm auto-loading cannon, 7.62NATO machinegun in a turret that was very low profile.
Other ideas for the Marder:
Turret from the M42 Duster to create a low-tech air defense vehicle.
Armored logisitcs vehicle by removing the sides of the troop compartment and making a cargo bed.
Bradley IFV turret instead of the regular turret to make an updated IFV with integral ATGM capability.
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I recall seeing some drawings in a German modelling magazine many years ago for an Infantry Fire Support Vehicle based on the Marder IFV that was armed with a 57mm auto-loading cannon, 7.62NATO machinegun in a turret that was very low profile. <...>
That was the "Begleitpanzer 57" (escort tank 57). It was also to be equipped with ATGMs.
Apparently a private venture, they found no customers. I think it's interesting that the concept was (kinda) revived with the Russian BMPT.
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What's the elevation of the stock ATGM mount? I'm thinking of the crude way of simply replacing the MILAN launcher with a MANPADS.
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<...>I recall seeing some drawings in a German modelling magazine many years ago for an Infantry Fire Support Vehicle based on the Marder IFV that was armed with a 57mm auto-loading cannon, 7.62NATO machinegun in a turret that was very low profile. <...>
That was the "Begleitpanzer 57" (escort tank 57). It was also to be equipped with ATGMs.
Apparently a private venture, they found no customers. I think it's interesting that the concept was (kinda) revived with the Russian BMPT.
Yes indeed, that was the one. I recall someone building a model of the thing and was hoping to find images of it on-line but so far no luck.
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Posted these on What-If a couple years back.
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BgLtPz_01.png)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BgLtPz_02.png)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BgLtPz_03.png)
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VCTP also from Modell-Fan
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/VCTP-01.png)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/VCTP-02.png)
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What's the elevation of the stock ATGM mount? I'm thinking of the crude way of simply replacing the MILAN launcher with a MANPADS.
A good friend of mine was a Marder commander. I'll ask him when I see him the next time. But I don't think there is much in the way of elevation. The ATGM mount on the Marder is just a kind of clamp that fixes the Milan and associated bits by clamping the normal folded-up tripod to the vehicle. There are a couple of really good pics in THIS WALK-AROUND (http://www.primeportal.net/apc/dieter_krause/marder_1_a3/). I also don't think the Milan launcher proper can elevate that much. With the way the ATGM mount fixed in place on the turret, I don't think there's much lateral movement either. Anything apart outside of 11-1 o'clock and you really have to twist yourself out of the hatch.
I just remember that the SOP for firing the Milan from the vehicle includes swinging the turret to the 11 o'clock position and depressing the 20mm gun all the way.
If you want to have the MANPADS power-operated from within the vehicle, I suppose the best bet is to fix a Stinger or two to the external MG3 mount on the turret.
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Moritz, did the Heer end up doing away with that external remote MG3 at the rear of the vehicle in the later variants? That might be a place to put a RWS with a MANPADS attached.
Regards,
John
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You can get a fairly good analogue of the VCTP in 1/72nd by just cross-kitting a Luchs Turret onto a Marder hull - Revell have done both vehicles.
Stalled project for a British Army fire-support version:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/hws5mp/The%20Whiffery/Marder/IMG_5373.jpg)
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^ Neat! :)
Moritz, did the Heer end up doing away with that external remote MG3 at the rear of the vehicle in the later variants? <...>
Yup. They dropped that when they converted them to Marder 1A2 standard.
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Posted these on What-If a couple years back.
Thanks for sharing once again Jon. Much appreciated.
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Posted these on What-If a couple years back.
a couple years back ? Gee time flies when you're having fun , I thought it was only last year some time !
Now that marder with the Beer kegs at the back gives me ideas 8)
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How about a dedicated SPAAG Marder?
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^ Here you go, Greg! :)
One version with an M163 turret and one with the turret of an CV9040 AAV:
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/Marder-SPAAG.gif)
I find the one with the CV9040 turret especially nice to look at.
So much for the easily kitbashable (is that a word? If not, it should be!) options. I suppose you could also whif a Roland turret to incorporate some guns (instead of the SAM).
Or how about a Wildcat turret?
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/Marder-Wildcat.gif)
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:) :) :)
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Would the Marder hull be capable of accommodating the 105mm gun turret from the M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun System?
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I don't see why not. The Argentinians developed the TAM tank off the basic design and it's related to the Leopard 1 either way.
Regards,
John
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Jeffry: the experimental Thyssen/Henschel VTS-1 was a Marder hull with a 105mm RWS.
http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number1762.asp (http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number1762.asp)
John: the Argies didn't really develop the TAM. 'Tanque Argentino Mediano' is just the Ejército Argentino's name for the licenced Thyssen-Henschel TH 301. </JMN mode>
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Jeffry: the experimental Thyssen/Henschel VTS-1 was a Marder hull with a 105mm RWS.
[url]http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number1762.asp[/url] ([url]http://www.military-vehicle-photos.com/picture/number1762.asp[/url])
Thanks for providing the link/image. That configuration certainly looks interesting with the elevated main gun. The MGS turret would be a bit wider but still a possibility to make it fit in the confines of the hull.
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Marder as a tank destroyer With fixed 120mm gun?
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Marder as a tank destroyer With fixed 120mm gun?
Gun forward and engine to the rear? That could work but there are better and certainly much sturdier platforms for such a concept.
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Hopefully I can find the right parts to eventually modify one of my Marder kits to create a mortar track.
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John: the Argies didn't really develop the TAM. 'Tanque Argentino Mediano' is just the Ejército Argentino's name for the licenced Thyssen-Henschel TH 301. </JMN mode>
Whilst I'm aware that the original TAM was designed by Thyssen-Henschel, the TAM was produced in Argentina in seven variants I believe. The TH-301 was a development of the original TAM design (initially designated TAM-4) differing in powerpack, fire control & other details. With this in mind, one would suggest that the TH-301 is, in fact, a development of the TAM.
Regards,
John
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the Stryker MGS turret wil "just" fit the Marder chassis !
I'm currently doing (an updated) Abrams version which was built. Teledyne had 1/35th models of it on Abrams, Leopard1, Centurion -- the Centurion one was later built by Jordan.
The AFV Club MGS kit has a few issues re a wrong part number & several very fragile bits.
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Marder as a tank destroyer With fixed 120mm gun?
Gun forward and engine to the rear? That could work but there are better and certainly much sturdier platforms for such a concept.
Bah! Practicality is optional around here ;)
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Marder as a tank destroyer With fixed 120mm gun?
That sounds very much like the Swedish UDES 11 concept.
In the other hemisphere, TAP was to be a tank derivative on the stretched VCA Palmaria hull.
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I rather like the look of the recent Rheinmetall IFV upgrade but there's not much of the original Marder left recognizable except the wheels and track. So, what's a modeller to do?
How about putting wheels underneath the remaining Marder upper hull?
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:)
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Picking up the Marder SPAAG theme again, here's a model Diethelm Berlage (mentioned earlier in this thread) built of an actually proposed Marder SPAAG. Of course, it wasn't adopted.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/DPMV%20Konvent%202012/SD536194.jpg)
On the left is a Marder in Barracuda netting and the thing without turret on the right is a gunnery range "referee tank".
I took the pic at the 6th DPMV Konvent (see more pics HERE (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1250.0)).
Too bad we only dropped by Diethelm's display when he was already packing up, so I only got this pic. The Begleitpanzer he built was already stashed in the car. Chatted with him for a couple of minutes , though. Really nice guy. :) Said he built forty(!) Marders so far. :icon_surprised:
EDIT: Just found an actual pic of the Marder SPAAG! :icon_surprised:
(http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu38/kilomuse/Air%20Defense/dragon2x30mm.jpg)
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In the other hemisphere, TAP was to be a tank derivative on the stretched VCA Palmaria hull.
Is it a real (as in on paper) proposal? :icon_music:
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^ I think so. I think there's a pic of it in THIS BOOK (http://www.tankograd.com/cms/website.php?id=/en/TAM-Tanque-Argentino-Mediano.htm). I'm not sure, though, and I don't remember whether it was just a drawing or a pic of a mock-up.
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I wonder if the turret from the M24 Chaffee would fit onto the Marder? Or maybe the Sd.Kfz 234/2 Puma turret? This giveth me some ideas. :o
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Is it a real (as in on paper) proposal? :icon_music:
Yes, a real project but no prototype (or mock-up AFAIK). The final variation had an up-armoured turret much like the Leopard 2A5. A rough translation:
"TAP (Tanque Argentino Pesado)
In the middle of the '80s, TAMSE began development of a TAM successor of the TAM for the '90s, the Tanque Argentino Pesado (Heavy Argentine Tank). TAP would incorporate 65% TAM components but would be better protected, have improved electronics, and a 120mm Reinmetall L/44 gun. TAP would have a lengthened chassis (with seven roadwheels instead of six) and a more powerful, domestically-produced engine if possible.
TAP would weigh in the order of the 51.5 tons. Despite the economic problems of the '80s, the TAP project advanced well. Unfortunately for TAMSE, the Exército Argentino showed no interest in TAP. TAMSE looked abroad for clients and Iran was interested (along with TAM and VCTP) but export permission was not granted. With no expectations of production, TAMSE then abandoned the TAP project."
Re: that Dragon SPAAG, does anyone know for certain what 30mm guns TAMSE was proposing?
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Actually its configuration sounds rather like that of the Merkava...
... "ambutank" TAP? >:D
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I wonder if the turret from the M24 Chaffee would fit onto the Marder? Or maybe the Sd.Kfz 234/2 Puma turret? This giveth me some ideas. :o
Fitting the turret from the M24 Chaffee or maybe the turret from the Scimitar or Scorpion to create something more contemporary. Or how about a Scorpion turret fitted with the 75mm gun from the M24 Chaffee? All that needs to be done is to cut a hole large enough for the turret to fit and that should not be an issue.
Now for something I just found this morning over on the Track-Link forums that was built by Diethelm Berlage based on a concept for a Canadian Marder called the CCV (Close Combat Vehicle). Diethelm kitbashed a Marder with the Delco 25mm turret from the LAV/MOWAG Piranha to create his CCV which you can view at this link at the Track-Link forums: CCV Marten (Marder) (http://www.track-link.com/gallery/8487)
Track-Link will not allow hot-linking images so you have to go there to see the finished model.
More of Diethelm's work can be seen at this link to his models in the Track-Link gallery (http://www.track-link.com/gallery/modeller/dberlage)
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Great to see it built! And Herr Berlage was right, the original retouched on CASR was based on an Argentinian VCTP hull.
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I rather like the look of the recent Rheinmetall IFV upgrade but there's not much of the original Marder left recognizable except the wheels and track. So, what's a modeller to do?
How about putting wheels underneath the remaining Marder upper hull?
The wheeled Marder looks great, at first I thought it was a Boxer with a Marder Turret, which raises an idea or two.
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How about a Marder as a dedicated anti-tank/anti personal vehicle with a turret akin to the Terminator BMPT?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZyghXmfchGc_h3uLt7OPI6F1FXINjjRP_qbV9f0wVFAuh8Fa7)
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Firefighting versions in use by a German company:
AIRMATIC RED DIVISION Löschpanzer Scenario - bushfire fighting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyWPnhf4OF4#ws)
(http://files.bos-fahrzeuge.info/vehicles/photos/9/4/8/b/110269-large.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7417/11418842853_66be88fce7.jpg)
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Is it a real (as in on paper) proposal? :icon_music:
Yes, a real project but no prototype (or mock-up AFAIK). The final variation had an up-armoured turret much like the Leopard 2A5.
I am really inclined to wonder if it's to merely be a turret patterned after that of the Leopard 2 or it is to precisely be a licence-built Leopard 2 turret......
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Hello,
after show my Marder-collection here in the "physical models" now I show some project. First the argentinian Tam-tank. Some years long they will modernisation the TAM. Perhaps old turrets from german Leo 2 on longer TAM or chassis from the VCA. I check it with my models some years ago.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/TAM-Tank/TAPTAM1.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/TAM-Tank/TAPTAM1.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/TAM-Tank/100_7216text.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/TAM-Tank/100_7216text.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/TAM-Tank/100_7218text.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/TAM-Tank/100_7218text.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/TAM-Tank/100_7219text.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/TAM-Tank/100_7219text.jpg.html)
Sometimes it was the idea to put old Merkava-turreds on the TAM.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/TAM-Tank/100_3947.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/TAM-Tank/100_3947.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/TAM-Tank/100_3946.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/TAM-Tank/100_3946.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/TAM-Tank/100_3943.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/TAM-Tank/100_3943.jpg.html)
But the real is only a short-modernisation. The new tank called "TAM2c" (second generation). Oh yes, some parts look israeli. I will build this tank later.
But now I will finished these Marder-projects:
Marder APC "Marder evolution vehicle family":
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_5293_zps3a5d2c1e.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_5293_zps3a5d2c1e.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_7604_zps1d2bfb06.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_7604_zps1d2bfb06.jpg.html)
And a test vehicle with a early lance-turret. It is the same system like in the PUMA
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_1089_zpsd1767876.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_1089_zpsd1767876.jpg.html)
I hope, you like this,
Didi from germany
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Any plans t do some of the TAM developments, such as the VCLC:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/VCLC_MRL_160_mm.JPG/800px-VCLC_MRL_160_mm.JPG)
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Any plans t do some of the TAM developments,
Plans? You mean my plan? You don´t see them:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/TAM-Tank/100_7044-1.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/TAM-Tank/100_7044-1.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/TAM-Tank/100_7503.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/TAM-Tank/100_7503.jpg.html)
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Great stuff, Didi! I love the Lance turret conversion. Any idea of a name/designation for the RWS version?
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(http://troll.me/images/monocle-guy/touche-good-sir.jpg)
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Any idea of a name/designation for the RWS version?
You mean the weapon station on the APC? First I need it from Revell´s Boxer. Than I see, in real it is the "M151 Protector", and it is a seperate kit from AFV-club for their strykers.
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Diethelm: I meant the Marder variant that the M151 was mounted on ... but photos from EuroSatory 2012 clearly show 'MARDER APC' marked on the side of the vehicle ;)
So, with the OTO-turreted Marder MBT, this makes Rheinmetall's Marder Evolution Vehicle Family?
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How I know, the family contains 3 versions. The APC, MBT and the CCV. The CCV was only shown on the IDEX 2011(?).
These Marders are not new tanks, only old tanks from stock and modernises. They are old A3 versions, not A5.
MBT
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/MBT%20Marder%204985_zpscdue0zb4.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/MBT%20Marder%204985_zpscdue0zb4.jpg.html)
APC
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/marder_upgrade%20APC_zpss5wafblj.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/marder_upgrade%20APC_zpss5wafblj.jpg.html)
CCV
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder%20CCV%20logo_zpsfj33hkbo.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder%20CCV%20logo_zpsfj33hkbo.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_5291_zpsd30193f0.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_5291_zpsd30193f0.jpg.html)
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Some cool Puma images:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3693/11113722915_34441ed88c_b.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2846/11113723615_cedf55f956_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3754/11113724815_b5c087dfcd_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7300/11113724795_dbb32d892a_b.jpg)
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([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7300/11113724795_dbb32d892a_b.jpg[/url])
All you need to do is run that one through a red filter (I don't have photoshop) & you've got yourself a Mars-scape! ;)
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Those are some great pictures of the Puma in motion. I really like the looks of it.
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All you need to do is run that one through a red filter (I don't have photoshop) & you've got yourself a Mars-scape! ;)
How's this?
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d165/hws5mp/Some%20cool%20Puma%20images-.jpg) (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/hws5mp/media/Some%20cool%20Puma%20images-.jpg.html)
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Pretty good! :D :)
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Part of the German contingent in the Mars Wars...
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The CCV was only shown on the IDEX 2011(?).
If the Lance RC turret (on the Marder Evolution CCV) gets replaced by the manned Lance turret, would the passenger capacity be affected?
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I know nothing exact about the tower. I don´t know whether it contains technology or is only one dummy. However, it is the same system like with the Puma. I have finished some Marder last weeks. See more at "physical models".
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_9523_zpsj2jl9ie4.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_9523_zpsj2jl9ie4.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_9506_zpsx7newdjr.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_9506_zpsx7newdjr.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_9480_zps44jhrcck.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_9480_zps44jhrcck.jpg.html)
Didi
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New photos in "physical models". The indonesian TNI have Marder A3 since september 2013.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_0034_zpsunisda9r.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_0034_zpsunisda9r.jpg.html)
Didi
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Hello Friends,
I search in south-american community and found photos from another new TAM. I show you. It looks like a "baby- merkava".
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-3_zpsx4lnordk.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-3_zpsx4lnordk.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-2_zpsr7iplihp.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-2_zpsr7iplihp.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-1_zpsr2rsymym.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-1_zpsr2rsymym.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-4_zpskmvbd97o.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-4_zpskmvbd97o.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-5_zpsoauhewts.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Tam%202C-IP-5_zpsoauhewts.jpg.html)
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Nice find. Any details on the nature of the upgrade?
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Another question: the Argentine VCTP is said to be a simplified version of the Marder; I know that VCTP does not have Marder's ATGM launcher, but is there anything else that the contemporary Marder has but VCTP doesn't?
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Another question: the Argentine VCTP is said to be a simplified version of the Marder; I know that VCTP does not have Marder's ATGM launcher, but is there anything else that the contemporary Marder has but VCTP doesn't?
I'd suggest that it had no night vision equipment, cheaper radios, no datalink equipment.
(http://www.infodefensa.com/wp-content/uploads/Perfiles.Tam.jpg)
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[no datalink equipment.
What datalink does the Marder have?
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I'm kinda thinking- since Tanque Argentino Pesado uses a stretched TAM chassis and apparently a Leopard 2 turret, and Vickers combined their MBT Mk.4 turret with Leopard 2 chassis to create the Vickers MBT Mk.7..... perhaps the TAP chassis can also be adopted to take the turret from Vickers MBT Mk.4 or even Challenger 2?
I know- need to overcome politics first.......
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This picture (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2116.msg100390#msg100390) got me thinking......
I am currently thinking up a fictional military force that uses Marder 1A5 armed with LANCE turret and later Puma as their definitive IFV but requires an interim Marder 1 variant pending the availability of LANCE turret.
Inspired by Marderman's Marten...... does anyone know if the LAV-25 turret would have that availability advantage, and if such an advantage can translate to the LAV-30 turret (because it can share ammunition with the LANCE Turret) as it is designed and manufactured by the same company?
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The variant armed with AMX-13 turret that Marderman was talking about?
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Interesting...that might need to be built.
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... does anyone know if the LAV-25 turret would have that availability advantage, and if such an advantage can translate to the LAV-30 turret (because it can share ammunition with the LANCE Turret) as it is designed and manufactured by the same company?
If you're asking when the Delco turret for the LAV-25 was first available, it was around 1983.
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The FL turret looks nicer on that than on anything I have ever seen it fitted to.
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I'm fairly sure Marderman has already built a Marder with the FL turret. Or at least has got one in-progress. Just not sure whether he's already posted pics of them here.
EDIT: Teaser!
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_0291_zps99c4d38b.jpg)
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Hello,
Yes, I don´t show this tank here. But you can see him in my Marder, Marder, Marder-thread in "physical models". Now I do it here:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_2612_zps79eb3b85.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_2612_zps79eb3b85.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/102_2617_zps74c14132.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/102_2617_zps74c14132.jpg.html)
And this is the real vehicle:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/100_9012-c.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/100_9012-c.jpg.html)
And this can be a modern FL-turret:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Marder-Clovis%201_zpsau61mrbt.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Marder-Clovis%201_zpsau61mrbt.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Marder-Clovis%202_zps1fjf9iyh.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Marder-Clovis%202_zps1fjf9iyh.jpg.html)
And another project on Marder:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Marder-HVMS%2060_zpsck2tacz6.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Marder-HVMS%2060_zpsck2tacz6.jpg.html)
And I found this variant. I think, it was a polish mortar-turret. The photo was from the MSPO 2013.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/MSPO%202013%20120mm%20mortar_zpstp8l68cz.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/MSPO%202013%20120mm%20mortar_zpstp8l68cz.jpg.html)
But now I work about this vehicle:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1026_zpsmzr5d6xr.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1026_zpsmzr5d6xr.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1027_zpsve5puvjm.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1027_zpsve5puvjm.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1023_zpspxbk2zxt.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1023_zpspxbk2zxt.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1014_zpsqmazhxhb.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1014_zpsqmazhxhb.jpg.html)
greetings,
Didi
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... does anyone know if the LAV-25 turret would have that availability advantage, and if such an advantage can translate to the LAV-30 turret (because it can share ammunition with the LANCE Turret) as it is designed and manufactured by the same company?
If you're asking when the Delco turret for the LAV-25 was first available, it was around 1983.
I'm thinking more about the production capacity and ability to fulfill urgent orders of Delco v.s. those of Rheinmetall from mid-1990s onward.
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Delco: Probably the Marines would get dibs for their LAV-25 orders. Apparently spares supplies weren't very impressive early on either.
Didi: Are you going to build that Marder with the Israeli 60 mm HVMS turret?
BTW, the Polish vehicle mounts the MSK-HSW Rak 120mm breech auto-loading mortar (also seen on the 8x8 Rosomak).
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Marder with HVMS? From Verlinden there No.370 a HVMS turret. But that is something different. I wait, maybe there are times the turret in plastic. Lately, many Israeli armour come.
The mortar? Yes, I have seen photos on the polish Rosomak. The kit come from IBG. I hope other versions will come later.
But at the moment I'm concentrating on this vehicle:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1034_zpsvmcfxhhq.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1034_zpsvmcfxhhq.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1042_zpsow8eqxpz.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1042_zpsow8eqxpz.jpg.html)
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Hello,
my Resin-conversion is finished:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1080_zpsuwxvqjsk.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1080_zpsuwxvqjsk.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1090_zps909dah0d.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1090_zps909dah0d.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1093_zpsuaxrlq0o.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1093_zpsuaxrlq0o.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1094_zpsba0obos5.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1094_zpsba0obos5.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/103_1096_zpsd0978yfm.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/103_1096_zpsd0978yfm.jpg.html)
Didi
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Nice!
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Nice!
Agreed. What scale is it?
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1:35
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On the "Eurosatory" in Paris a new "Marder" was shown. The name is "LYNX".
http://dtrmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Lynx-IFV-Special-Supplement.pdf (http://dtrmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Lynx-IFV-Special-Supplement.pdf)
Didi
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Thanks for posting the link to the pdf brochure Didi. That is almost what I had imagined the Marder to look like with the Puma turret.
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(http://i.imgur.com/fp1lknS.jpg)
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I have a photos in my archive from the same Marder.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm_zpstsi1rxhm.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm_zpstsi1rxhm.jpg.html)
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Last Weekend I have a drive with a Marder in the "Fursten-forest", here in Germany. I have drive the A3. The other one ist a A2 with a A3-turret. It was an old driver-school-verhicle, they give him the A3-turret.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3487_zpslsxwlw39.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3487_zpslsxwlw39.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3474_zpszyvze0vh.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3474_zpszyvze0vh.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/IMG-20161015-WA0007_zpsbjxm7olc.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/IMG-20161015-WA0007_zpsbjxm7olc.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/IMG-20161015-WA0001_zpstqpdzmgc.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/IMG-20161015-WA0001_zpstqpdzmgc.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3498_zpscggvdvm9.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3498_zpscggvdvm9.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3499_zpsyzcxyash.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3499_zpsyzcxyash.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3502_zpshsmrotem.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3502_zpshsmrotem.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3506_zps4fjw0jd9.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3506_zps4fjw0jd9.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3500_zps0wbarufm.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/100_3500_zps0wbarufm.jpg.html)
And now some videos:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/th_VID-20161023-WA0022_zpspvkr0zih.mp4) (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/VID-20161023-WA0022_zpspvkr0zih.mp4)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/th_VID-20161023-WA0007_zpslqand4ck.mp4) (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/VID-20161023-WA0007_zpslqand4ck.mp4)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/th_VID-20161015-WA0010_zpssng92ehw.mp4) (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/VID-20161015-WA0010_zpssng92ehw.mp4)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/th_VID-20161023-WA0008_zpspaqbtqlp.mp4) (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/Fuerstenau%20Marder%20Drive/VID-20161023-WA0008_zpspaqbtqlp.mp4)
Didi
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Cool! 8)
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:)
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Random cool picture:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-00W-zutIzrg/WAnj77PBfrI/AAAAAAABVTc/HL8Bpfcfu-cJzf7kNOgeyXdpVrlBpLOTgCLcB/s1600/30086834680_b4ab9c2140_o.jpg)
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Marder_2_Prototype.jpg)
(http://www.military-today.com/apc/marder_2.jpg)
(http://www.military-today.com/apc/marder_2_l1.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/FrankBaunach/KonzeptSPzMarder2Prototyp3.jpg)
Marder 2 Prototype
(http://mainbattletanks.czweb.org/Tanky/vts-1.jpg)
Marder VTS-1 - Tank Destroyer
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx123/AnotherBerliner/de_gdd-a_02.jpg)
Hypothetical Marder 35 Mm Ifv
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Hey Rickshaw,
One picture is wrong: Is is not Marder 2 Prototype. It is a "update" for the Marder 1A3 with a Kuka 30mm turret. It was testet in swiss 1998.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/100_1370.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/100_1370.jpg.html)
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Thanks, now fixed.
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(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/100_1329.jpg)
Begleitpanzer 35 with HOT ATGW
(http://ftr.wot-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/turm.jpg)
(http://ftr.wot-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/36dd56ec9348.jpg)
DF 105 Combat Tank
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx123/AnotherBerliner/de_begleitpanzer57_01.jpg)
(http://alternathistory.org.ua/files/users/user3356/4649cf23d882.jpg)
begleitpanzer 57 with TOW ATGW
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Modellbau/DSC07372.jpg)
Marder I with heightened roof and 35mm gun turret.
(http://www.militaryvehicle-photos.net/images/pf-military-vehicle/1507.jpg)
Marder 2
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Turret for the hypothetical Marder with 35mm gun:
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx123/AnotherBerliner/de_gdd-a_01.jpg)
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Begleitpanzer 35 with HOT ATGW
Question- the model seems to have retained the passengers' gun ports. Is the Begleitpanzer 35 still an infantry fighting vehicle, or would the 35mm cannon have reduced this AFV's troop capacity to just a couple of scouts?
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I've just realised that in all this time I haven't put up any pictures of my only Marder build, which happens to be my avatar, & is more Sci Fi than Whif but, well, you know ... it's still based on a Marder 1A2.
It's an old build & not that well finished, so I'm thinking of stripping it down & using it with my new Marder 1A2 to build a composite, larger vehicle & giving it a better paint job & weathering.
Here it is:
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/PA%20Explorers/EV-1FrontRight.jpg)
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/PA%20Explorers/EV-1Front.jpg)
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/PA%20Explorers/EV-1FrontLeft.jpg)
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/PA%20Explorers/EV-1LeftSide.jpg)
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/PA%20Explorers/EV-1RearLeft.jpg)
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/PA%20Explorers/EV-1RearDeConChamber.jpg)
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/PA%20Explorers/EV-1RearRight.jpg)
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/PA%20Explorers/EV-1RightSide.jpg)
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/PA%20Explorers/EV-1Top.jpg)
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It is a very cool vehicle. Civilized Marder. With ABC decontaminate in the rear.
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A very old build of a Marder as Hover APC
(http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7393/11344820084_ea81f2741e_h.jpg)
And a liitle off subject, a Luchs A/C with Leo turret as a Hovertank
(http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7394/11326513834_96583093d4_h.jpg)
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Love that Luchs/Leo hovertank ... especially the chain-slung add-on armour :-*
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Steve - how did you make the rubber skirt / bladder thingy on the Marder
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It’s Crayola Model Magic. It’s easy to work with, and you do not need to heat. Roll on a clean flat surface. A little water on your finger and you can hide most seems. It does shrink when it drys, could cause cracks at corners. I let it dry and flat coat before painting. The other pictured model has it as a skirt too, just covered it with wet tissue paper to cover the cracks.
[img width= height=]http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5657/30052690143_5fab6cf1a6_o.jpg[/img]
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A "new" Marder, on indodefence this days. It is the "Hitfact"-turret from the centauro.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm%201_zpsq1teqjqn.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm%201_zpsq1teqjqn.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm%203_zpswemtw2d0.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm%203_zpswemtw2d0.jpg.html)
I check it with a model:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/100_3794_zpscdjikvhs.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/100_3794_zpscdjikvhs.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/100_3790_zpsbsur0ews.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/100_3790_zpsbsur0ews.jpg.html)
Now I´m waiting for more photos. The Rear?
Didi
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Cool! looks good! 8) :)
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Now I´m waiting for more photos. The Rear?
If only you had told me a day earlier - I have a team at IndoDefence. I might have been able to ask one of them to take a bunch of photos for you. Let me check if there is still a chance for today.
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Another view of the VTZ-1:
(http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt324/tanks_09/Koblentz/koblentz10.jpg)
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(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0nwScdQgmO0/WBQhXxQC39I/AAAAAAAAvD8/HNM3ViLklAEbbHWJvzsp-fpg7WpyIimggCLcB/s1600/MBTMarder4985_zpscceb8deb.jpg)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-x5mUDKsSSI8/WBQhCVjFOyI/AAAAAAAAvD0/Ac5wKqF12dcok1LPJuH-2t9CoRxmGmmwQCLcB/s1600/c327f915acdfa0fca884582948de7cd5.jpg)
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UxK2LMoictM/WBQhV-g_MrI/AAAAAAAAvD4/DvdsDjE-OFgIIOWrDVGVy2_WI0erO7lrwCLcB/s1600/MBTMarder4895_zpsa4e4e769.jpg)
(http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2074/marder_light_tank_l2.jpg)
(http://i58.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1029/1a/28fdecd3c898084cd47ac4c63a59771a.jpg)
(http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2074/marder_light_tank_l1.jpg)
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Yesterday I found some pictures from the "Indodefence"- Marder:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm%201_zpsq1teqjqn.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm%201_zpsq1teqjqn.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm%202_zpsvvenysue.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-105mm%202_zpsvvenysue.jpg.html)
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The one on the right in the lower pictures looks to be in an Australian (style) camouflage scheme! ???
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The one on the right in the lower pictuures looks to be in an Australian (style) camouflage scheme! ???
I don't even think it looks like a Marder although IIRC Indonesia seems to have an indigenous tracked AFV in development?
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(https://i.imgur.com/uuvJlJr.jpg)
From "Below the Turret Ring (http://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com.au/)" Blog.
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The one on the right in the lower pictuures looks to be in an Australian (style) camouflage scheme! ???
I don't even think it looks like a Marder although IIRC Indonesia seems to have an indigenous tracked AFV in development?
(https://i.imgur.com/F8tK1rt.jpg)
Kaplan-20
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Hello,
the last days I have some work with this "new" Marder:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/100_3795_zpsmh0bcrhz.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/100_3795_zpsmh0bcrhz.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/100_3840_zpsz81wndsw.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/100_3840_zpsz81wndsw.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/100_3842_zps80ojxum8.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/100_3842_zps80ojxum8.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Marder/100_3799_zpssiecooh7.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Marder/100_3799_zpssiecooh7.jpg.html)
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Kaplan-20
Good find Rickshaw :) I assume that this Kaplan-20 is intended as a replacement for FNSS' Bradley-based ACV-19 IFV family.
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Kaplan-20
Good find Rickshaw :) I assume that this Kaplan-20 is intended as a replacement for FNSS' Bradley-based ACV-19 IFV family.
I understood the ACV-19 IFV was developed from the M113 based ACV-15, not the M2/M3 Bradley.
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I understood the ACV-19 IFV was developed from the M113 based ACV-15, not the M2/M3 Bradley.
I bow to your superior knowledge -- I'd never heard of FNSS' Kaplan (or the Otocar Tuplar) until the other day.
Still, the Kaplan-20 track system is certainly a dead ringer for the Bradley's - mid road wheel gap and all!
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Hello,
Yesterday I can read that Jordan got the first Marder from Germany. They are supposed to get about 50 tanks. Old Marder A3 from german stocks. In the internet I found these photos:
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%202%20-%20Kopie_zpswaoijhlc.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%202%20-%20Kopie_zpswaoijhlc.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%201%20-%20Kopie_zpsrxbscnin.jpeg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%201%20-%20Kopie_zpsrxbscnin.jpeg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%203_zpsrebgs0sr.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%203_zpsrebgs0sr.jpg.html)
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%204%20-%20Kopie_zps7bplki7u.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%204%20-%20Kopie_zps7bplki7u.jpg.html)
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Thanks for that Didi. The Jordanians have done weird and wonderful stuff to their second-hand Scorpions. I look forward to seeing what they can come up with for the Marder :)
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I find another photo.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/didiberlage/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%205_zpsatich1oo.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/didiberlage/media/Original-fotos/Marder-Jordan%205_zpsatich1oo.jpg.html)
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An interesting explanation of the various marks of Marder and other German IFVs. (http://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com.au/2016/12/marders-to-jordan.html)
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Packing repacking and I found a started Marder with a LAV 25 turret in the box with the bits.
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Packing repacking and I found a started Marder with a LAV 25 turret in the box with the bits.
I love it when that happens. Sounds like you have a Canadian HIAV in the making :-)
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That suggests I have a LAV 25 with a marder Turret somewhere too.
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Big brother to this? ;)
(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/ASLAV%204x4/DSCN3675_zpszuuysww2.jpg)
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6197.45 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=6197.45)
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Packing repacking and I found a started Marder with a LAV 25 turret in the box with the bits.
Have you seen Didi's version? http://www.track-link.com/gallery/8487/6 (http://www.track-link.com/gallery/8487/6)
And then there's this: Missing-Lynx > Discussion Groups > Constructive Comments Canadian Marder (future Weapons) built by Chris Jerrett (http://www.network54.com/Forum/110741/thread/1257901022/Canadian+Marder+(future+Weapons))
***fixed html link - jjf :)
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Different sort of camouflage...or add on armour:
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17353222_1363924493630545_5417753436322075903_n.jpg?oh=460cd74a9b15d4714244a6183d48fbfd&oe=59787C00)
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Good Cam but bad armour. Going to be a hell of a lot of big splinters flying around if they get hit with anything. The crew and passengers are going to have to be all inside when that happens.
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Eurosatory 2018. After the Lynx KF31 in 2016 now a new vehicle based on Marder, the Lynx KF 41.
https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/de/rheinmetall_defence/systems_and_products/vehicle_systems/armoured_tracked_vehicles/lynx/index.php (https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/de/rheinmetall_defence/systems_and_products/vehicle_systems/armoured_tracked_vehicles/lynx/index.php)
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I'm kinda thinking- since Tanque Argentino Pesado uses a stretched TAM chassis and apparently a Leopard 2 turret.......
Inspired by the advent of the EMBT (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1300.msg142176#msg142176) demonstrator...... maybe a TAP that uses the Leclerc turret instead of the Leopard 2 one?
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A new one:
(https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/images-backup/Rheinmetall_AFC-program_dc.jpg)
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/land-amphibious/8637-rheinmetall-wins-5g-innovation-grant (https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/land-amphibious/8637-rheinmetall-wins-5g-innovation-grant)
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Where'd @Marderman disappear to?
Rheinmetall says it has 16 refurbished Marders ready to ship, 14 in the process of restoration, with a 70 of restorable IFVs in inventory.
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/rheinmetall-marder-101.html (https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/rheinmetall-marder-101.html)
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Where'd @Marderman disappear to?
Hasn't been active for a year
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A new one:
(https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/images-backup/Rheinmetall_AFC-program_dc.jpg)
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/land-amphibious/8637-rheinmetall-wins-5g-innovation-grant (https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/land-amphibious/8637-rheinmetall-wins-5g-innovation-grant)
That would fit ericr's primary colour thread ;)
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;D
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Where'd @Marderman disappear to?
Hasn't been active for a year
I seem to remember marderman saying that he was packing in modelmaking.
Didi: Komm zurück ... du fehlst mir!
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I seem to remember marderman saying that he was packing in modelmaking.
I can recognize that sentiment, as artistic juices ebb and flow. Anyone in touch with him should reach out and let him know his creations were appreciated.
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Hello friends,
I'm still alive, I've been busy with other things for the last 2 years. I finished my last model in summer 2020. Then everything is packed. Two houses renovated with my family. No time and no desire to build kits. I had only occasionally looked in this forum and mostly only "market place". Yesterday I came across the subject of "Marder" again, and what do I see, I'm missed. A pretty Fire-Marder. I still have some Marder-kits and also some ideas for other versions. It will be a while before I've finished my room and workbench in the other house. Sometimes I think it's easier to stop making models. But at 2 shows I had started another Mexas.
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I still have ideas. Maybe it will be finished. Look at my "40 Years Leopard 2"
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Welcome back, Marderman. :D
Hope you get your hobby room set up soon - I've been watching your work many years even before you came to this site. Loved your Leo 1 Fire-fighter models :smiley:
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Good to know you're still kicking.
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I forgot to show this picture. Working on a model-show
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52115614114_6174fd310e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nph9oW)Didi 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2nph9oW) by Diethelm Berlage (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142700047@N02/), auf Flickr
Greetings,
Didi
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Ah, road wheels! :)) Almost as mind-numbingly mind-bending as individual track links! :-\
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Hello,
The first Marders are in Greece. The Greek army recently swapped recently ex GDR BMP1 sent to the Ukraine for ex Bundeswehr Marder SzPz.
(http://)
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:smiley:
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Camo looks awesome! 8)
Would have rather seen them with more blue and yellow on it, though. :uuu:
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Welcome back, Didi ! You have indeed been missed :D
... The Greek army recently swapped recently ex GDR BMP1 sent to the Ukraine for ex Bundeswehr Marder SzPz.
Glad to see this swap arrangement producing results for Ukraine. So, that Greek Marder is on your (hypothetical) future build list, right? ;D
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Chilean Marder with rocket launcher.
https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mostrar/3551379/famae-exhibe-fidae-slm-tralcan-70-mm-sobre-carro-marder-1a3 (https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mostrar/3551379/famae-exhibe-fidae-slm-tralcan-70-mm-sobre-carro-marder-1a3)
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:smiley:
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Marder Greece and now at a parade
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:smiley:
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Ukrainian ex-Marder ? :(
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/10de5efd-cbb6-4c35-8b79-c0cecf4bb778/df74grq-1a2b8b59-d353-4e29-b853-2073fdd65c22.jpg/v1/fill/w_960,h_639,q_75,strp/ukraine_war_2022_by_alex2015zp_df74grq-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NjM5IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvMTBkZTVlZmQtY2JiNi00YzM1LThiNzktYzBjZWNmNGJiNzc4XC9kZjc0Z3JxLTFhMmI4YjU5LWQzNTMtNGUyOS1iODUzLTIwNzNmZGQ2NWMyMi5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9OTYwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.pbQUkIDZvCARl-qg40QK0TUclsl2EJxVSf82ggy4sRs)
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Actually, I think you'll find it's a Russian BMP-1AM "Basurmanin" (upgrade entering Russian service in February 2022), whether it was being operated by the Russians or Ukrainians at the time of its demise I can't say.
(https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Screenshot_3-13.jpg)
[Note: One of the give-away's is the two hatches on the left side of the hull forward of the turret. Another is the turret, itself.]
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From the V markings on the turret, it's may be Russian.
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From the V markings on the turret, it's may be Russian.
Probably. :smiley:
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... One of the give-away's is the two hatches on the left side of the hull forward of the turret. Another is the turret, itself...
And the BMP's UTD-20 diesel was kind enough to pose for the camera :smiley:
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Also I think that a Marder turret's cupola would be on the turret's right hand side.
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Germany has abandoned a taboo. On Thursday evening, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz of the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD) announced that Germany would expand its weapons assistance to Ukraine and would now supply Marder infantry fighting vehicles after all.
According to reporting from DER SPIEGEL, Germany intends to supply up to 40 Marder infantry fighting vehicles to equip a Ukrainian battalion. A Patriot air defense system is also to be delivered.
On Wednesday, French President Emmanuel Macron announced the delivery of older French AMX-10 RC "light" battle tanks. Soon afterwards, U.S. President Joe Biden said he was considering supplying American Bradley infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine.
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/forty-marders-for-kyiv-germany-moves-forward-with-tank-deliveries-to-ukraine-a-3ac7ce39-3ead-4425-be7e-c7228f00b59f#ref=rss (https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/forty-marders-for-kyiv-germany-moves-forward-with-tank-deliveries-to-ukraine-a-3ac7ce39-3ead-4425-be7e-c7228f00b59f#ref=rss)
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Everything sells better when you attach "Combat Tested" to the product description...
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Ukraine is a de facto NATO member and has proven their worth in combat. They should get whatever they need.
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Ukraine is a de facto NATO member and has proven their worth in combat. They should get whatever they need.
The fact that the Kiev needs AFVs so desperately that Germany just went back on their moral planks indicates that the Russians continue to attrit UA AFVs at a high rate.
Every western system introduced requires it's own unique logistical tale, a burden that grows exponentially every time a bunch of antiques are added to Kiev's Order of Battle.
That's why the aid is now in the trillions.
Trillions.
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That's why the aid is now in the trillions.
Trillions.
Have you got a source for that claim? I don't see trillions when looking here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War) or here: https://www.state.gov/more-than-3-75-billion-in-u-s-military-assistance-to-ukraine-and-countries-impacted-by-russias-brutal-war/ (https://www.state.gov/more-than-3-75-billion-in-u-s-military-assistance-to-ukraine-and-countries-impacted-by-russias-brutal-war/)
In fact, no where near even 1 trillion.
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(https://independentaustralia.net/_lib/slir/w750/https://independentaustralia.net/sc/German_Marder_APC_in_rescue_evacuation_mode_--_also_suitable_for_Australian_conditions.png)
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I wouldn't take the monetary aid amounts being sent to Ukraine at face value, espeshialy when it comes to military vehicles. When a politician announces that they are giving vehicles worth 100 million etc to Ukraine they reach that amount based on what it would cost to replace the vehicles with brand new ones. When in reality most of the stuff being sent is old mothballed stock & by giving it to Ukraine they are actually saving money as they dont need to store & then later dispose of it themselves.
It's like giving an old rusty car to a friend & then saying you donated $30,000 to charity ;D
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Hello,
Newspaper report from 2011. Through my translation program:
"The Federal Ministry of Defense (BMVg) sells disused armaments as a bargain. In 2009, the Bundeswehr delivered 60 "Leopard 2" type battle tanks to Chile at a price of 250,000 euros each (acquisition costs just under three million euros). This emerges from a response from the BMVg to a parliamentary question. The used infantry fighting vehicle "Marder" only cost 50,000 euros (purchase costs just under 400,000 euros). The Chileans ordered and received 146 of these. However, the armored vehicles were not in good condition. The Chilean military had to pay another 83 million euros for the repair and modernization of the "Leopards". However, the money did not go to the federal government, but to the industrial companies commissioned with the retrofit.
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Marder knocked out in the Ukraine
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q70/924/ztC16M.jpg)
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Knocked out in that it's repairable or used for spares, vs knocked out as in T-72/BMP-x/BMD-X which are usually spread out over several hundred sq. feet.
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Knocked out in that it's repairable or used for spares, vs knocked out as in T-72/BMP-x/BMD-X which are usually spread out over several hundred sq. feet.
Putting on one of my old hats, my BDA assessment is that it's good only for cannibalized parts.
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Knocked out in that it's repairable or used for spares, vs knocked out as in T-72/BMP-x/BMD-X which are usually spread out over several hundred sq. feet.
Putting on one of my old hats, my BDA assessment is that it's good only for cannibalized parts.
Depends upon the damage. The photo shows obvious fire damage to one side but the interior and other side may be untouched.
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I saw other pictures online and the crew probably survived, but the engine and running gear look like they're in bad shape from the fire.
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Depends upon the damage. The photo shows obvious fire damage to one side but the interior and other side may be untouched.
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No one's going to put that particular hull back on the line without - at the very least - a depot-level rebuild. :(
If the armor is compromised from the fire, the entire hull is a write-off. The torsion bars subjected to fire would probably need to be replaced. Roadwheels on the impact/fire side are toast. Electronics fried. And that's just from a single glance, let along crawling around inside whether I was familiar with Marders or not. :o
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(https://independentaustralia.net/_lib/slir/w750/https://independentaustralia.net/sc/German_Marder_APC_in_rescue_evacuation_mode_--_also_suitable_for_Australian_conditions.png)
I got to see one of these in person last week. There is one at Rheinmetall in Brisbane.
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(https://independentaustralia.net/_lib/slir/w750/https://independentaustralia.net/sc/German_Marder_APC_in_rescue_evacuation_mode_--_also_suitable_for_Australian_conditions.png)
I got to see one of these in person last week. There is one at Rheinmetall in Brisbane.
AAARRGGH!!! I missed it being a bit south. Pics please.
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It's this one:
(https://yaffa-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/yaffadsp/images/dmImage/StandardImage/rheinmetallft_0032.jpg)
Doing some research, it's actually more advanced being an autonomous vehicle - see more details here: https://euro-sd.com/2021/09/articles/exclusive/23854/rheinmetall-australia/
They also had two Weisel 2's there - at least one of these is also an autonomous version.
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... Doing some research, it's actually more advanced being an autonomous vehicle - see more details here: https://euro-sd.com/2021/09/articles/exclusive/23854/rheinmetall-australia/
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So, did I understand correctly? The existing is 5G-based remotely-controlled via onboard cameras and UAV relay. The (planned?) Advanced Firefighting Concept (AFC) variant would be fully autonomous?
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I believe they are going for autonomous from the start but using the 5G technology for networking.
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I believe they are going for autonomous from the start but using the 5G technology for networking.
Ah, thanks. So, if autonomous, the 5G is mainly for linking up with the UAVs then.
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I still want onboard Human control & a blimp in the sky as per the original ! ;D Makes for a better model diorama. :smiley:
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Hello, I found this. Marder in a cage
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Looks like we might be getting a 1/35 Roland Kette. 3D printed, not sure of the maker just yet.
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Looks like we might be getting a 1/35 Roland Kette.
I thought there were already kits out?
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I think Elite did a resin one and Roco does a 1/87. The former certainly does not hold up to 2024 standards.
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I have one of the Elite 1/35 ones in the stash
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/tempImageSd3IFC.heic)