Dr. Zippermeyer, an eccentric Austrian inventor working at an experimental establishment at Lofer in the Tyrol, designed and built a series of highly unorthodox anti-aircraft weapons that were observed very closely by the Reichsluftfahrtamt (Office of Aeronautics) in Berlin. Due to the overwhelming numerical air superiority of the Allies every effort was made during the last year of the war to find ways of exploiting any known phenomenon that could bring down the heavy bombers of the USAAF and RAF.
Dr. Zippermeyer constructed both a huge Wirbelwind Kanone (Whirlwind Cannon) and Turbulenz Kanone (Vortex Cannon). Both had the same goal - to knock down enemy bombers through clever manipulation of air.
To achieve this, the “Wind Cannon” used a detonation of hydrogen and oxygen to form a highly compressed plug of air that was channeled through a long tube that was bent at an angle and fired like a shell towards enemy aircraft. Impossible as this may seem the Wind Cannon did particularly well on the ground - breaking one inch thick wooden boards from a range of 200 yards! This promising development, however, meant nothing against the Allied bombers that were flying at 20,000 ft! Nevertheless, taken from the Hillersleben Proving Grounds the Wind Cannon was used in defense of a bridge over the Elbe River in 1945. Either there were no aircraft present or the cannon had no effect because it was still intact where it was found.
The Turbulenz Kanone, by comparison, was a large caliber mortar sunk into the ground with fired coal dust and slow burning explosive shells to create an artificial vortex. This also worked well on the ground but again the problem was the same - how to generate a large enough effect to reach the aircraft. Zippermeyer did not know if the pressure changes of this device would be sufficient to cause structural damage to an aircraft but the vortex would definitely have an effect on the wing loading as even clear air turbulence had brought down civilian airliners.
Rate of fire would have been impressive but the L7 105mm tank gun had a higher muzzle velocity and so a better penetration - with standard AP.
I still like the Stuart light tanks with the quad .50's.
Wicked! What was the story behind it?
I dug out my 1/48th OEZ Mig-21 to do a BIG sam to target bombers .... but I'll need another set of 4 wings to do it.
I now have the 4 booster rockets for the tail tho :icon_ninja:
M113 with the ARES Talon 35mm gun.
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Would look good beside a Tracked Rapier.
Circa 1979, based on the M548 TLC. Each gun fired at 1,200 rpm a 35mm shell at 1,175 mps.
Random idea:
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From what I can remember Logan, those don't quite look right. This unit was on it's own trailer, the guns were in a turret and the guns themselves were set very low down, almost at the same level as the trailer frame. I've seen some WWII German AAA that looks a little like it but without the guns being in a turret.
BTW, top pic just appears as the white square with the red cross through it.
Is there a gun system like those Logan, but where the muzzles are very similar to the 40mm Bofors guns we see in old war photos, with the reversed cone shape because that how I remember these guns being like. On the demonstration they fired individually and one at a time but at a very rapid rate
Maybe, but I'm not familiar with any such mount.
Cheers,
Logan
Its a good thing you got a chance to see them, as Canada no longer operates any kinetic Air Defence system. The 35mm guns, Skyguard FCU, Javelin, and ADATS have all been retired or placed in war stock.
Italian SIDAM quad 25mm on M113:
([url]http://www.military-today.com/artillery/sidam.jpg[/url])
Italian SIDAM quad 25mm on M113:
([url]http://www.military-today.com/artillery/sidam.jpg[/url])
I am prepared to kill to get a 1/35 conversion for the SIDAM... :icon_ninja:
Well $58.00 should be a doddle then:
[url]http://www.rjproducts.com/Catalogs/Historica_Production/Historica_Production.html[/url] ([url]http://www.rjproducts.com/Catalogs/Historica_Production/Historica_Production.html[/url])
(scroll down to item HP3008)
:)
EDIT: sorry, not sure it's still available. R&J productions are still in business, but they don't seem to be currently listing this range on their home page: [url]http://www.rjproducts.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.rjproducts.com/[/url])
Down in Yuma a a couple of weeks ago, saw this outside the Proving Grounds (which some of you may have seen too)
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I am prepared to kill to get a 1/35 conversion for the SIDAM... :icon_ninja:
I am prepared to kill to get a 1/35 conversion for the SIDAM... :icon_ninja:
I scratched a SIDAM-25 a few years back. It was a bit complex, but very much do-able.
Here's an oldie:
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Hey GTX... isn't it sad to think that this improvised WWII vintage SPG is still more effective and purposeful than anything we have in the Australian Army! Sad.... really sad!!!!
A couple of rarities for you:
ZRPK "Donets" :
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ZSU-37-2 "Yenisei ":
([url]http://www.dogswar.ru/images/stories/experement/zsy-37-2.jpg[/url])
Hey GTX... isn't it sad to think that this improvised WWII vintage SPG is still more effective and purposeful than anything we have in the Australian Army! Sad.... really sad!!!!
RBS 70 is a very good short range air defence system. Far better anti aircraft coverage than a quad MG. With the new Bushmaster RBS 70 carrier version will also be better protected and more mobile than the Vickers light tank.
Do you have details/photos?
But I think you are missing my point. The ADF as a whole has a ridiculous - no comical air defence capability!
Rickshaw the MAG-58 is my primary weapon I use in what I do! It's a great gun, but it is an 'ultra' last line of defence weapon you would want to be using against helicopters/aircraft!!
As for the handful of RBS-70 MANPAD or Bushmaster deployed configuration. There are no where near enough to go around! You have to remember, that this handful of RBS-70 have to defend everything from airfields, ground formations and up until a few years ago, they were deployed upon our naval ships to supplement or give a degree of air-defence. Times have changed, and so has the capability within our region!
Unfortunately, we have taken the US/British approach (or neglect) with our air-defence capability. We put to much emphasis and reliance in our fighter/interceptor capability, whilst completely and utterly neglecting a layered air-defence system. I don't mean that the ADF needs the likes of S300/400 or Patriot batteries, nor Gepard or Tunguska-M1(although I am a big fan of the Pantsir S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) gun/missile system - for its capability and price!!) . But what we do need as a bare minimum is the likes of cheap and simple AAA platforms (25mm-35mm) (plus these make excellent ground-to-ground weapons as well), Short-Medium range SAM's (not to be confused with MANPAD's) - say like RBS 23 BAMSE all-weather air defence missile system or NASAMS system, some GIRAFFE AMB cost-effective 3D surveillance radar system (although I am a fan of the Pantsir S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) - for its capability and price!!). Ideally I would also like to see simple, basic and affordable platforms adopted to support army formations - like that of the Turkish Pedestal-Mounted Air Defence Missile System (PMADS) or like the Dutch Fennek
[url]http://youtu.be/_jpQDpuykRE[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/_jpQDpuykRE[/url])
, with at least a 25mm chain gun mounted with it (the .50 cal on the U.S. Avenger system is pathetic!)or what about LAV-AD Blazer(using a combination of Stinger MANPAD's and 25mm Gatling gun)
[url]http://youtu.be/XooFmPUt6aA[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/XooFmPUt6aA[/url])
Now that's what I'm talking about!!
M.A.D
Gingie: Gorgeous work on that scratched SIDAM turret! :)
Those Maxson turrets pop up everywhere still.
Or like this?
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Yeah - the SLAMRAAM was what inspired my thinking - I wanted to do something earlier though (say '60s/'70s era) hence the RIM-7
maybe to slew the missile launcher to the correct bearing/elevation?
I think its likely because the system can also be used with the gatling gun version, which would require both search & track systems.
BTW, if anybody is interested, there is a 1/35 Phalanx presently being auctioned on Evil Bay - [url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KHS-VIKING-MODELS-1-35-PHALANX-CLOSE-IN-WEAPON-SYSTEM-/141161683570?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item20dde45a72[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/KHS-VIKING-MODELS-1-35-PHALANX-CLOSE-IN-WEAPON-SYSTEM-/141161683570?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item20dde45a72[/url]) - you'll have to be quick though, as it ends tomorrow! ;D
Maybe I should get a HEMTT as well.. hmm....
Perhaps in SeaRAM the tracking radar tracks the target and the missile, decides whether the missile's going to hit or not, and thereby decides whether to launch another one?
Perhaps in SeaRAM the tracking radar tracks the target and the missile, decides whether the missile's going to hit or not, and thereby decides whether to launch another one?
Anybody know where I can get some 1/32 AIM-120s?
Anybody know where I can get some 1/32 AIM-120s?
Anybody know where I can get some 1/32 AIM-120s?
I think the bottle of water though, rather spoils the picture. ;D ;D
Thank'ee one and all for your kind suggestions. Trumpeter does the truck, doesn't it?
I'm actually imagining that launcher on the back of a patrol or PT boat for some reason, or multiples positioned around a large amphib or modernised older carrier.
Thank'ee one and all for your kind suggestions. Trumpeter does the truck, doesn't it?
Yes Trumpeter does make the truck. Listed as M1083 FMTV (Armor Cab) kit number 1008.
If you are ready to take the plunge it is available at Amazon.com :icon_ninja: ([url]http://www.amazon.com/Trumpeter-M1083-FMTV-Armor-Model/dp/B00DF30CPW[/url])
Or you can check bnamodelworld.com and see if they have it in-country and closer to you.
Or mating the AMRAAM seeker with the RIM-162 ESSM?I'm actually imagining that launcher on the back of a patrol or PT boat for some reason, or multiples positioned around a large amphib or modernised older carrier.
I wonder if any research has been done on upgrading Sea Sparrow to use AMRAAM?
I believe its on the cards but SM-6 uses AMRAAM techOr mating the AMRAAM seeker with the RIM-162 ESSM?I'm actually imagining that launcher on the back of a patrol or PT boat for some reason, or multiples positioned around a large amphib or modernised older carrier.
I wonder if any research has been done on upgrading Sea Sparrow to use AMRAAM?
yeah, Cuban. The brick-red colour used to be black, and when viewed with the Green and OD, reminded me of the Canadian 3-tone from the 60's-80's.
Are those wheels for holding comms wire? Or are they a driver aid to let him know he's about to prang the nose cone when approaching a slope?
Love the Oto Melara 60mm HVMS turret. How would the 60mm do as part of a SPAAG.Too low a ROF. While capable of automatic fire, the system as it exists is primarily to be used in a semi-automatic mode beccause of the low capacity of the weapon's magazines. You'd need, apart from a completely new mounting and turret, a very different loading system. The IMI 60mm fires IIRC from two three round "magazines". I wouldn't bother, the OTOMATIC 76mm does a better job and can use guided rounds as well.
Love the Oto Melara 60mm HVMS turret. How would the 60mm do as part of a SPAAG.Too low a ROF. While capable of automatic fire, the system as it exists is primarily to be used in a semi-automatic mode beccause of the low capacity of the weapon's magazines. You'd need, apart from a completely new mounting and turret, a very different loading system. The IMI 60mm fires IIRC from two three round "magazines". I wouldn't bother, the OTOMATIC 76mm does a better job and can use guided rounds as well.
I wouldn't bother, the OTOMATIC 76mm does a better job and can use guided rounds as well.
Using that argument, neither has a AA 60mm HMVS system, Greg.
I'd like to hear more about 76mm guided rounds. That's a new one for me.
Bah! Reality suds!
Only after someone from here scratch builds one
That's an interesting find Greg, it looks like all the guns are mounted in a barrel, did the Bofor have a belt feed too ?
It looks very similar to the Gerard design with twin 35mm cannon or does the "30" in the designation refer to 30mm cannon?
The bottom one with what appears to be twin 40mm Bofors does look interesting though. Any more details on it?
[url]http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/284927-european-tank-discussion/page__st__1320[/url] ([url]http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/284927-european-tank-discussion/page__st__1320[/url])
Or the Marder Rapier
I can't help think about the priority target that air defence assets/platforms incur on the modern battlefield!
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Former Republic of Yugoslavia's AS-83 SPAA with 2 x 40mm Bofors guns.
The Australian Army recently announced that they were replacing their 1970s Rapiers with ground based AIM-120s, based on a light wheeled chassis (I assume a Mercedes Benz Wolf but wouldn't be surprised if they just adopted the Hummer, Norwegian variant). That would make an ideal SAM system for the Canadians to also adopt.
There is also talk of pairing it with the truck mounted version of CEA Technologies radar system so maybe a common truck will be used
Looks like it should fall over, got to be a lot of lead shot in n the base to keep it from tipping over ;DCarefully balanced and only elevated when there is no wind as in this photo !
Question: outside of the secondary weapon function onboard the T-72 Moderna 1, is anyone aware of any self-propelled anti-aircraft application for the Oerlikon KAA or any other 20mm x 128 cannon?
And speaking of HAWKs, this might make an interesting diorama:
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Whilst not AA applications, the Swiss Saurer Tartaruga and Panzer 58 did use the cannon......
sustained attack, they would very quickly run out of ammunition wouldn't they.
Some photos of a Tunguska loading ammo:
(https://www.defencetalk.com/military/images/tunguska-loading-ammo.46935/full?d=1514062124)
(https://www.defencetalk.com/military/images/tunguska-loading-ammo.46936/full?d=1514062124)
(https://www.defencetalk.com/military/images/2s6-tunguska-reloading.45799/full?d=1514061814)
Apart from those and possibly some truck mounted temporary installations, I am not aware of any dedicated applications.
Random thought: M167 Vulcan Air Defense System (VADS) (see below) used in purely ground role (i.e. used against enemy ground forces not aircraft)......
I understand the vehicle is in service with the PLAAF, which explains the use of the blues...
(https://i.imgur.com/WUYqZGO.jpg)
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A new Chinese 10x10 SPAAG vehicle, apparently armed with a 75mm autocannon.
I'm guessing it's similar in concept and intention as the OTO-Melara Otomatic SPAAG concept of the 80's, except wheeled, as opposed to tracked!
M.A.D
Something different for HAWK missiles:
([url]http://www.missilesofkeywest.bravepages.com/missile_4.jpg[/url])
Supposedly a Valentine with Twin 40mm AA but I am not certain:No, it's a custom hull, but part of the development process for the M19 MGMC. It's hard to tell from here, but I'm pretty sure the suspension units are from the Stuart.
Raytheon has developed and tested a ground based version of AIM-9X - IIRC, it is also likely to be part of Australia's Land 19 Phase 7B (along with AIM-120C-7s):
the Australian Army's neglect of ground-based air defence has been nothing short of just that - neglect!!😡
the Australian Army's neglect of ground-based air defence has been nothing short of just that - neglect!!😡
But where has been the threat?
A good overview of Land 19 Phase 7B may be found here (https://adbr.com.au/world-leader/)
Does anyone know if you can get a kit in 1/35 of the Green Mace Anti-Aircraft Gun?
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Does anyone know if you can get a kit in 1/35 of the Green Mace Anti-Aircraft Gun?
It would be a big beast to scratch build which is my plans.Madre de Dios, that would be a helluva thing to see scratchbuilt!
Twin 20 mm Oerlikon cannon. In service with Oman, Morocco and the Central African Republic.
I found this whilst looking for something else, hopefully not a repost...newtonk, that's the Oerlikon GDF-DO3 35mm 'Escorter' SPAAG. Beautiful and futuristic design, isn't she 😍
Not a lot of ground clearance is there? Does the suspension squat when it's being used in AAA operation?
EDIT: just noticed, the cab drops down, sort of like what some of those large aircraft tugs do.
EDIT: just noticed, the cab drops down, sort of like what some of those large aircraft tugs do.
There was a tracked version of it as well, but the wheeled looked nicer.
Always been a fan of the 35mm.
It was too low and too wide to be useful, particularly in todays environment when mines and IEDs are prevalent. The crew would become toast very rapidly. What would be required would be one at least 18-24 inches taller with a double armoured bottom.
And the prototype:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/MIM-46_Mauler.jpg)
I found this whilst looking for something else, hopefully not a repost...
Ural/Shilka
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/uralShilka.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/65993eb9-220d-4cc6-9341-24edc1361e0c)
Ural/Shilka
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Ural/Shilka
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/uralShilka.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/e58f1c54-aee2-42c9-bc15-f72ec22af374/p/65993eb9-220d-4cc6-9341-24edc1361e0c)
... proper colors
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<. > Any chance of a Shilka turret on BAZ-5937/
9A33B SPU [9K33 ‘Osa’ / SA-8 ‘Gecko’] 6x6 chassis? <...>
Another photo of the 3D printed otomatic.
To possibly answer my own question, would this be the link/source? https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/1-35-otomatic-76-spaag-t331774.html (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/1-35-otomatic-76-spaag-t331774.html)
Hezbollah parade, labeled "2P25-mounted self-propelled howitzers".
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Actually an 85mm AAA gun
[url]http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_heavy_weapons_uk/ks-12_ks-12a_85mm_m1939_m1944_anti-aircraft_gun_cannon_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures.html[/url] ([url]http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_heavy_weapons_uk/ks-12_ks-12a_85mm_m1939_m1944_anti-aircraft_gun_cannon_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures.html[/url])
here's the donor hull
([url]http://www.flak11.de/2P25/2P25_4Seiten.jpg[/url])
Random idea: Operational M247 "SGT York" but in Ukrainian scheme.
Random idea: Operational M247 "SGT York" but in Ukrainian scheme.
with slat armour, quad pack of Stingers. Some scope to keep the FCS/Radar and swap the dual bofors with a gatling or twin 35mm...
Replace Chaparral missiles with derivatives of ASRAAM, AIM-9X, IRIS-T, or Japan's AAM-5? Then combine with various possible carrying vehicles; perhaps something on a Stryker?
MIM-72 Chaparral | AIM-9D | Python-3/4 | Python-5 | ||||
Length | 2.87 m | 2.87 m | 2.95 m | 3.1 m | |||
Diameter | 127 mm | 127 mm | 160 mm | 160 mm | |||
Weight | 86 kg | 88 kg | 120 kg | 105 kg | |||
Warhead | 11kg | 11 kg | 11 kg | 11 kg | |||
Speed | Mach 1.5 | Mach 2.5+ | Mach 3.5+ | Mach 4 | |||
Range | 5 km | 18 km | 15 km | 20+ km |
Random idea: Operational M247 "SGT York" but in Ukrainian scheme.
with slat armour, quad pack of Stingers. Some scope to keep the FCS/Radar and swap the dual bofors with a gatling or twin 35mm...
Until *we* get a dedicated Drone/AntiDrone inspiration thread, I reckon here will do.
Until *we* get a dedicated Drone/AntiDrone inspiration thread, I reckon here will do.
You know you can create one yourself, right? ???
Does anyone have a good cut-away view of the M247 DIVAD? I'd like to do a version like the ZSU-23-4M2 'Afghanka' optimised for ground combat but to do the applique up-armouring I sort of need to know what's inside the turret. I only have two and I can't work out how to post them here :(