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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #100 on: September 25, 2013, 06:40:05 PM »
The pilot had big ears acting as radiators... ;)

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #101 on: September 28, 2013, 10:24:48 PM »
I've been drawing 1 pixel lines over some GIFs found at http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/he112.html



(more sizes at He112-V6_lines and I have an SVG file, too)

I think I should try to think of a simple color scheme.

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #102 on: September 29, 2013, 04:09:21 AM »
How about some civilian sports schemes - assume either WWII did not occur or perhaps that the 112V6 was turned into a racer?
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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #103 on: September 29, 2013, 04:41:40 PM »
Civilian scheme sounds like an idea. I haven't figured out a way these could have gone into mass production as fighters either.

Either V6 didn't crash beyond repair in Spain - or Heinkel built another one just like it...

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #104 on: September 29, 2013, 05:02:34 PM »
Will there be a version with enclosed canopy? What is the date of this He-112 looking rather old-style?

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #105 on: September 29, 2013, 06:00:52 PM »
Will there be a version with enclosed canopy? What is the date of this He-112 looking rather old-style?
An enclosed canopy is a real possibility. I found one drawing where "V3" has one.

History from Wikipedia:

"The first prototype, He 112 V1, was completed on 1 September 1935. The last of the prototype A-0 series was V8, which was completed in October 1936."
"Heinkel continued building the A-0 as production line models. The naming changed, adding a production number to the end of the name, so the next six examples were known as He 112 A-01 through A-06. All of these included the 210C engine and were essentially identical to V6, with the exception of the radiator. - - - A-05 and A-06, were completed in March 1937"
(ahhh, now I see that there were others much like V6)

Then came the B series, which looks very different:
"In October 1936, the RLM changed the orders for the zero series 112s, instructing Heinkel to complete any A-0s already under construction and then switch the remaining aircraft to an updated design. This gave Heinkel a chance to improve the He 112, which they did by completely redesigning it into an almost entirely new aircraft called the He 112B. It is at this point that it became a modern design that could compete head-to-head with the Bf 109.

The He 112B had a completely redesigned and cut-down rear fuselage, a new vertical stabilizer and rudder, and a completely enclosed cockpit with a bubble-style canopy.
"

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #106 on: September 29, 2013, 06:17:30 PM »
Thanks for this part of History.
Are you going to invent the missing links? (like B without bubble-canopy or A with bubble-canopy)?
Thanks anyway.

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime: MiG-32 of the Scottish Air Force
« Reply #107 on: October 17, 2013, 02:39:31 AM »


A quick one: mainly just new colors for my earlier Serbian one.

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #108 on: October 17, 2013, 08:30:22 AM »
Good, I have seen that you started a topic in the Scottish Independance group. We may comment there also. :)

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #109 on: October 18, 2013, 12:19:26 PM »
I have checked the Web with Google, to know if this MiG-32 came from your mind only or was an advanced design to which you put simply fantasy colours. And the answer seems to be: you are the designer, congratulations! While the same code MiG-32 has already been used for a MiG-25 imaginary derivative at
http://xenonauts.wikia.com/wiki/Mig-32_Foxtrot_Interceptor
Thanks anyway!

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #110 on: October 18, 2013, 02:06:41 PM »
And the answer seems to be: you are the designer, congratulations!
I used parts from other people's designs.
I think I've explained it somewhere else, when I made the Serbian one, but not on BTS:

The top view, including panel lines, is traced from a speculative piece of PAK-FA artwork, from before Sukhoi T-50 went public. Then I adjusted it for a single engine and smaller overall size. Nose side view is traced from a speculative MiG light (or medium?) fighter drawing found at paralay.com, and stretched a bit. ... And then I connected the parts...

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #111 on: October 18, 2013, 04:38:05 PM »
definately could be tempted to model that, a nice lunchtime project in the office  8)

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #112 on: October 19, 2013, 02:01:24 PM »
That head-on view reminds me of certain alternate TSSAM studies for a V-tail instead of a ventral vertical surface in addition to the two horizontal surfaces.

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #113 on: November 06, 2013, 01:23:25 AM »
ANy chnace of seeing a Macchi M.72T?

Sorry, I'm not planning to do a Macchi M.72T. Its long straight nose doesn't really appeal to me. I suspect it would have to have conventional radiators too (or cover the whole thing with surface radiators  :o )
A land Macchi 72 has been built as a model: http://www.airwar1946.nl/index.htm then click on what-if models then Macchi MC-172 Lancia. Perttime, are you still not interested? (a single-engined short-nose version is possible too)

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #114 on: November 06, 2013, 02:39:20 AM »
A land Macchi 72 has been built as a model: http://www.airwar1946.nl/index.htm then click on what-if models then Macchi MC-172 Lancia. Perttime, are you still not interested? (a single-engined short-nose version is possible too)
The 72 has such straight lines. I prefer the curves of the earlier Macchis. I'm pretty sure I'll get back to the M.39 but now I have a Heinkel or two that I should develop a bit.

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #115 on: December 22, 2013, 01:02:34 AM »
Heinkel He 112 A, Schweizer Luftwaffe, 1944



In October 1933, Hermann Göring sent out a letter requesting aircraft companies to consider the design of a "high speed courier aircraft". In May 1934, this was made official and the Technisches Amt sent out a request for a single-seat "sports aircraft". The specification was first sent to the most experienced fighter designers, Heinkel, Arado, and Focke-Wulf, and later to newcomer Bayerische Flugzeugwerke.

Heinkel's He 112 was constructed entirely of metal, using a two-spar wing and a monocoque fuselage with flush-head rivets. The landing gear retracted outward from the low point of the wing's gull-bend, which resulted in a fairly wide 9 m (30 ft) track, giving the aircraft excellent ground handling. Its only features from an older era were its open cockpit and fuselage spine behind the headrest, which were included to provide excellent vision and make the biplane-trained pilots feel more comfortable.

The first prototype, He 112 V1, started in the head-to-head contest when it arrived at Travemünde on 8 February 1936. Right away, the Focke-Wulf Fw 159 and Arado Ar 80 proved to be lacking in performance, and plagued with problems, and were eliminated from serious consideration. At this point, the He 112 was the favorite over the "unknown" Bf 109, but opinions changed when the Bf 109 V2, with a new engine, arrived on 21 March. The He 112 had better turn performance due to its larger wing, but the Bf 109 was faster at all altitudes and had considerably better agility and aerobatic abilities. We know what Germany chose.

.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.

In 1930 Switzerland had decided to establish an effective air force. This was the start of a massive armament programme that would consume more than a billion francs over the next ten years. In large part, the money was used to acquire modern aircraft. The Swiss had followed the German fighter contest with great interest. Seeing how eager Ernst Heinkel was to get into fighter production, they secured a favorable contract for 12 He 112A fighters and a license for producing 30 more domestically.

Within a year of entering service the 12 new aircraft were already outdated and the domestic production was canceled. Instead, Switzerland followed up by ordering Messerschmitt Bf 109, Macchi MC.202 and Morane-Saulnier D03800 fighters, and relegating the He 112A to service as an advanced trainer. An enclosed cockpit was added to some of the Swiss Heinkels.

In 1944, red and white bands were added to Swiss aircraft to stop accidental attacks by straying Allied aircraft.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 03:22:36 AM by perttime »

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #116 on: December 22, 2013, 04:16:49 AM »
Damn!  That looks great!!!  I think I have a kit of that in the stash too…just found a paint scheme for it! :)
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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #117 on: December 22, 2013, 04:55:35 PM »
I hadn't done anything Swiss before - and then I saw pictures of red and white Bf 109s...

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #118 on: December 23, 2013, 06:40:28 PM »
As everybody who knows anything about reindeer knows, reindeer must stop for a "short break" every 10 kilometers or so. That is fine when stopping at every house for delivering presents. When you'd rather not keep stopping all the time, it is good to have some other means of transportation. S. Claus found this one while traveling in Italy in late 1920s or early 1930s. At that time, it was equipped as a floatplane. For the winters, S. Claus installs the ski landing gear that he had built in his workshop.

Macchi M.39 Santa Claus Special



I made a Macchi M.39T (landplane racer) some time ago, and was looking for other uses for the M.39. Then the obvious idea hit me a couple of days ago: put skis on it. Maybe a pilot too  ;D

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #119 on: December 23, 2013, 07:37:38 PM »
Funny, thanks! Have a merry Christmas, too...

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« Reply #120 on: December 25, 2013, 01:36:01 AM »
Thank you Tophe! I had fun making this one  :D

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #121 on: October 06, 2014, 01:53:50 AM »
It has been a while since I made any drawings - but I made this today - for the Anything But Military GB. Based on some drawings found on the interwebs:

DFS Stummel-Habicht replica



What-if somebody built a replica of the airplane that was used to train pilots for the German Me 163 rocket planes. Actually a few somebody's have in Germany - but they have gone for the "regular" version with the 13.60 m (44 ft 7 in) wing. The Stumpy Habicht that was built with 6 and 8 meter wings. This one was built with the 8 meter wing - in a garage in Tampere, Finland - and can be found occupying the towplane pilots at the Teisko airfield (EFTS) during times when the serious pilots are not satisfied with thermal activity.

A larger version can be found on Deviantart: http://perttime.deviantart.com/art/Stummel-Habicht-profile-486560122

I think I will do top and front views, when I get around to it...

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #122 on: October 06, 2014, 09:36:53 AM »
I made this today - for the Anything But Military GB
Great! :-* And just in time!

I think I will do top and front views, when I get around to it...
Dear perttime, if you ever do so, please consider the addition of a Zwilling version... ;)

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #123 on: October 06, 2014, 02:11:46 PM »
Hi Tophe! The Habicht is a great looking airplane, and I've head the pleasure to see a real one (with normal wings) at local airshows.
I think I will do a modification to a future version: the skid landing gear is sort of cool, but it requires a jettisonable dolly for launching and ground handling. I've seen pictures of a real one that has a fixed wheel behind a short skid.

I'm pretty sure I will leave Zwillings to you. You are the specialist  ;D

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Re: Erryplanes by perttime
« Reply #124 on: October 07, 2014, 12:59:13 AM »
I'm pretty sure I will leave Zwillings to you. You are the specialist  ;D
All right, I will do it (when the top and/or front view will be available) ;)