Author Topic: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration  (Read 97410 times)

Offline Volkodav

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #300 on: June 24, 2021, 01:13:50 PM »
There was a tracked version of it as well, but the wheeled looked nicer.

Always been a fan of the 35mm.

Offline M.A.D

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #301 on: June 25, 2021, 10:22:06 PM »
There was a tracked version of it as well, but the wheeled looked nicer.

Always been a fan of the 35mm.

Like this mate - the 'Tracked' prelude to the GDF-DO3 SPAAG study, based on the M548 tracked load carrier's chassis'


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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #302 on: June 25, 2021, 10:43:19 PM »
Always loved the 'Excalibur' 20mm Vulcan cannon SPAAG, designed with the US Army's Rapid Deployment Force (RDF) doctrine in mind and intent!!

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #303 on: June 26, 2021, 02:45:25 AM »
I want one (to start) in 1/35...all sorts of nifty vehicles can be made from that!

Maybe start with a donor LAV-25 and see where the muse takes one?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #304 on: June 26, 2021, 01:04:47 PM »
It was too low and too wide to be useful, particularly in todays environment when mines and IEDs are prevalent.  The crew would become toast very rapidly.  What would be required would be one at least 18-24 inches taller with a double armoured bottom.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #305 on: June 27, 2021, 03:52:27 PM »
It was too low and too wide to be useful, particularly in todays environment when mines and IEDs are prevalent.  The crew would become toast very rapidly.  What would be required would be one at least 18-24 inches taller with a double armoured bottom.

I don't know Rickshaw, at the end of the day it would have brought a reasonable lightweight, compact and mobile air defence system to otherwise vulnerable airborne Division, to say nothing of a powerful direct fire gun against ground targets. The reality is if it's going to be air mobile, it's not going to have the afforded protection associated with conventional weapons platform - something Western militaries can't seem to get through their heads, so in the process such capability is repeatable canned/cancelled 😔😡. This is why I've always appreciated the Soviet/Russian approach to airborne assault weapons platforms - they know and appreciate they aren't and can't have the survivability of a T-62, but the mobility, the firepower they bring to an airborne assault is still shock and awe, with an inherent purpose and capability.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #306 on: July 03, 2021, 08:21:21 PM »
I like this Alvis Ltd - Stormer Air Defence system it's not just light, but a compact SPAAG/M system, what with it's choice of 25mm or 30mm rotary cannon, PDSAM's, FLIR/laser sighting system and radar 😍👍

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #307 on: July 14, 2021, 05:07:52 PM »
Thanks to a discussion with GTX yesterday, I found and give you FMC's proposed XM546E1 carrier for the MIM-46 Mauler SAM system. It would have added a sixth pair of roadwheels to deal with overloading and weight distribution problems of the prototype XM546.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #308 on: July 14, 2021, 10:21:09 PM »
And the prototype:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #309 on: July 16, 2021, 02:08:17 PM »
And the prototype:



Yes, sadly, the XM546 vehicle was yet another compromise in this troubled self-propelled SAM system. One can easily see the top-heavy nature of the design. One can only imagine the cross-country instability.....
How ironic that the US Army wouldn't/couldn't/hasn't field a purpose-designed FAAD SAM system until this day 😔

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #310 on: August 27, 2021, 05:36:05 AM »
I found this whilst looking for something else, hopefully not a repost...

I'm getting strong Aliens M577 APC vibes!

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #311 on: August 28, 2021, 01:42:18 AM »
Indeed! :smiley:
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Offline ysi_maniac

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #312 on: September 17, 2021, 06:34:45 AM »
Ural/Shilka


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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #313 on: September 17, 2021, 09:34:57 AM »
Ural/Shilka



Interesting and cost effective concept ysi_maniac🤔

Any chance of a Shilka turret on BAZ-5937/
9A33B SPU [9K33 ‘Osa’ / SA-8 ‘Gecko’] 6x6 chassis?

MAD
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #314 on: September 17, 2021, 09:51:26 AM »
Niiice, liking this set up.  :smiley:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #315 on: September 18, 2021, 02:45:49 AM »
Might need something like Syrian or Libyan markings... ;)
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #316 on: September 23, 2021, 05:54:56 PM »

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #317 on: September 23, 2021, 08:39:44 PM »
Ural/Shilka



... proper colors



The one colour all over works much better ysi_maniac👍

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #318 on: September 23, 2021, 11:35:09 PM »
Cool concept.  :smiley: "Mother of Pantsir".   8)
Overall green really pulls it together.

<.  > Any chance of a Shilka turret on BAZ-5937/
9A33B SPU [9K33 ‘Osa’ / SA-8 ‘Gecko’] 6x6 chassis? <...>

Sounds like a GREAT idea!  :smiley:
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #319 on: September 24, 2021, 05:31:32 PM »
^^^^^^  Is this OK?

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #320 on: September 24, 2021, 11:54:01 PM »
Yeah!  8) Works REALLY well.
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #321 on: September 26, 2021, 07:24:30 AM »
Yes I like it ysi_maniac, I like it a lot!!
Stable, more affordable, less maintenance intensive and amphibious 👍
I can also see it being useful as a convoy escort vehicle in the Soviet's war in Afghanistan.
.. perhaps replacing the radar with a spotlight to illuminate Mujahideen position in the hills and mountains 🤔

Thanks again

MAD
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