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Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« on: April 19, 2020, 04:13:45 AM »
As some of you may know, the USA developed a series of "Colour Plans" looking at various scenarios.  One of these was Joint Army and Navy Basic War Plan Red w to estimate the requirements for a hypothetical war with the United Kingdom.  There was also subordinate plans (Crimson, Scarlet, Ruby, Garnet, and Emerald) for British dominions.



Canada (Crimson), Great Britain, Northern Ireland and Newfoundland (Red), British Raj (Ruby), Australia (Scarlet), New Zealand (Garnet), Ireland — by that time no longer part of the British Empire (Emerald), and other parts of the British Empire (pink — not part of the plan), United States (Blue).

What if somehow we didn't see WWII occur or whatever.  I really don't know the triggers for this scenario, but the basic idea is that the USA and the British Commonwealth fid themselves confronting each other.  Places such as the Canadian border would be a particular boiling point, perhaps akin to the inner German border during our history.  RCAF Hawker Hunters vs USAF Sabres and the like.

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Re: Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2020, 04:09:30 AM »
Potential scene showing a snooping USAF U-2 being intercepted and escorted away by Commonwealth EE Lightnings:

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Re: Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2020, 10:00:32 AM »
Lightnings were reputed to be able to intercept SR-71s by flying ballistic profiles.  They supposedly caught the SR-71s by surprise from overhead. 

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Re: Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2020, 11:29:58 AM »
I think Australia, since WW2 at least has been closer to the USA than the UK. So I think in this scenario Australia would side with the USA. New Zealand would probably try and go it alone which would mean Australia would have to invade them in case they got any bright ideas about turning to the USSR.  :icon_vader:

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Re: Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2020, 02:29:38 AM »
I think Australia, since WW2 at least has been closer to the USA than the UK. So I think in this scenario Australia would side with the USA. New Zealand would probably try and go it alone which would mean Australia would have to invade them in case they got any bright ideas about turning to the USSR.  :icon_vader:

Maybe.  Although Australia was definitely close to the US following WWII, they still maintained close ties with the UK and indeed, immigrations from places such as the UK was actively encouraged under schemes such as the Assisted Passage Migration Scheme.
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Re: Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2020, 02:58:33 AM »
Lightnings were reputed to be able to intercept SR-71s by flying ballistic profiles.  They supposedly caught the SR-71s by surprise from overhead.

That's a myth, and if you read what has been written about the high-altitude zooms, particularly
by the pilots who flew them, it's clear that the Lightning was amost at a stand still at the top
and there's no way they could have maneuvered to engage, even with missiles. Also the max
zoom height achieved was just under 70,000', the SR-71A regularly operated 10 to 15,000' higher.

I personally believe that the  source of the stories is confusion about the U-2 intercept tests, which
were done in the early '60s with the cooperation of the US, somehow these arranged tests, and a U-2
intercept in the early '80s, have been turned into 'we intercepted the SR-71'. 
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Re: Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2020, 03:08:46 AM »
Canada and the US are extremely close and have been for a long time, for obvious reasons,
and culturally speaking Canada is far more similar to the US than it is to the UK.

The most likely scenario is Canada leaving the Commonwealth and declaring itself unaligned.
Any supposed economic benefit of remaining a member would be dwarfed by the continued
trade with the US.
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Re: Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2020, 07:55:54 AM »
I think Australia, since WW2 at least has been closer to the USA than the UK. So I think in this scenario Australia would side with the USA. New Zealand would probably try and go it alone which would mean Australia would have to invade them in case they got any bright ideas about turning to the USSR.  :icon_vader:

Maybe.  Although Australia was definitely close to the US following WWII, they still maintained close ties with the UK and indeed, immigrations from places such as the UK was actively encouraged under schemes such as the Assisted Passage Migration Scheme.

It would be a very confused war for certain. If push came to shove though I think Australia would side with the USA and try and remain on a friendly level with the UK until any fighting started. Not really aware of NZ's history at the time these plans were drafted but going off their history since the mid to late 80s they tend to be more Socialist and would either turn to the USSR or try and go it alone. Neither of these options would appeal to America.

And besides, being Aussie, it is culturally ingrained in me to like the idea of conquering NZ >:D

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Re: Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2020, 02:38:03 AM »
And besides, being Aussie, it is culturally ingrained in me to like the idea of conquering NZ >:D

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Re: Commonwealth v USA Cold War
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2020, 03:16:47 PM »
There is no Washington Treaty of 1922. The Japanese are mollified with the breakdown of relations between the Anglosaxon powers and the naval arms race give Australia no cause to feel abandoned. As the average aircraft carrier of 1945 will be about 90 000 tons you can naturally send Hunters to the sea. Commonwealth + Japan vs America + China. Russia after the White victory a neutral of sorts and France continues Entente Cordiale to keep Germany in check. A comparable level of industrial output then, to let the Cold War simmering.