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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2015, 08:00:33 AM »
Some kits are bigger than others...




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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2016, 08:47:15 PM »
From the LHS, 1/72 Italeri Jaguar A.  Will be painted in a non-Jaguar operator colours.
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I know I will be burned at the stake as a heretic for this heresy but what-if the A-10 did not exist or not in the numbers required so the USAF went to an off-the-shelf A/C? Yes, the Jaguar is not a "Tank Plinker" but I think it has some unique real world capabilities (and some future upgrades from my imagination) which will make it a "hold-its-own" CAS asset.

Yes, I know Red Storm Rising and other novels will suffer from the lack of a "Devil's Cross".

Beside I think it would look cool in the current A-10 two-tone grey finish.
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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2016, 09:26:56 PM »
Single Oerlikon KCA (same 30x173mm as the Avenger) instead of ADENs, scabbed under the fuselage?

Cool starting this soon?  I hope so, because then I could have a prototype for my, now, FMS Jaguar.

It is a great idea actually as the USAF planned to replace the A-10 with the A-16A  / F/A-16 but also looked at the A-7F/A-7D plus and the A-10 was itself a replacement  for the A-7D.

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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2016, 09:46:50 PM »
For the first model I will remove the ADENs and replace them with two SUU-23/As pods. Each SUU-23/A has 1,200 rounds vs the ADEN 150. Plus I have lots of them in my Hasegawa Weapons kits.   :) But I will look into larger caliber options.

Add a 3rd pylon to the wing. Rickshaw did this with his Jaguar MO5, Royal Australian Navy, 1983

I have the kits. I have the paint. I just ordered some decals from Twobobs.

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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2016, 05:31:53 AM »
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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2016, 11:45:06 AM »
For the first model I will remove the ADENs and replace them with two SUU-23/As pods. Each SUU-23/A has 1,200 rounds vs the ADEN 150. Plus I have lots of them in my Hasegawa Weapons kits.   :) But I will look into larger caliber options.

Add a 3rd pylon to the wing. Rickshaw did this with his Jaguar MO5, Royal Australian Navy, 1983


Actually, what I did was use a Mitsubishi T2 wing, which is larger than a standard Jaguar wing.

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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2016, 06:52:24 PM »
For the first model I will remove the ADENs and replace them with two SUU-23/As pods. Each SUU-23/A has 1,200 rounds vs the ADEN 150. Plus I have lots of them in my Hasegawa Weapons kits.   :) But I will look into larger caliber options.

Add a 3rd pylon to the wing. Rickshaw did this with his Jaguar MO5, Royal Australian Navy, 1983


Actually, what I did was use a Mitsubishi T2 wing, which is larger than a standard Jaguar wing.


Thanks. I like the F-1 and T-2 kits. Good source of parts for other builds.
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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2016, 11:34:00 AM »
A large winged Jaguar.  I never knew.
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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2016, 11:50:48 AM »
I wonder how it would have affected its low level ride?

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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #70 on: January 16, 2017, 11:50:12 AM »
I found this on Wikipedia. Some ideas for the Collective (I've already pinched one of these prospective nations for a build I hope to start this weekend):
"Early in development, it was decided that the Jaguar should be offered for export. In 1969, while still in the prototype stage of development, formal approaches had been made to Switzerland, India, Japan, Australia, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Germany, promoting the aircraft for sale. Japan began negotiations towards licensed production of the Jaguar, but these plans failed in part because of the high royalty payments sought by SEPECAT. A proposal for Turkey to construct Jaguars under licence for their own air force also did not come to fruition. Attempts to export to Kuwait and Pakistan did not transfer into orders. Kuwait initially ordered 50 Jaguars and 16 Mirage 5s, but instead firmed up for F1s. Pakistan approached SEPECAT after the US refused to sell their aircraft of choice, the LTV A-7 Corsair II, due to an arms embargo; Pakistan eventually opted for Mirage 5s."

Apparently there was a single-engined, delta wing proposal. I'd love to see it. The BAC P.71 looks pretty neat too, if a slightly more involved kitbash prospect:

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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2017, 12:10:05 PM »
Very interesting, I was actually thinking about suggesting a single engined Jaguar equivalent to the F-20 last night as a logical export partner for the Tornado and possibly the BAE EAP, which I recall reading that some of the test pilots recommended should have been put into production, minimum change, in the 90s instead of waiting for the Typhoon.

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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2017, 10:11:37 PM »
I have a couple of GR.1's I'll be doing as Australian Army Aviation CAS with wrap-around camo but no real mod's - well, maybe some minor ones for upgraded weapons systems. :))
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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #73 on: January 17, 2017, 06:34:41 AM »
I have a couple of GR.1's I'll be doing as Australian Army Aviation CAS with wrap-around camo but no real mod's - well, maybe some minor ones for upgraded weapons systems. :))
Just a thought, perhaps, in a fit of sanity, the Australian government decides to expand their local alliances and buys Mitsubishi F-1's instead of Jaguars?  If nothing else, support would be a bit easier with the manufacturer much closer.

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Re: SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations
« Reply #74 on: January 17, 2017, 01:00:50 PM »
I have a couple of GR.1's I'll be doing as Australian Army Aviation CAS with wrap-around camo but no real mod's - well, maybe some minor ones for upgraded weapons systems. :))
Just a thought, perhaps, in a fit of sanity, the Australian government decides to expand their local alliances and buys Mitsubishi F-1's instead of Jaguars?  If nothing else, support would be a bit easier with the manufacturer much closer.

You would need a large epidemic which wiped out the upper-echelons of the RSL (Returned Servicemen's League - the only veterans organisation downunder) before that could happen.  In the 1980s, the Australian Army held a competition for a series of soft-skin vehicles.   The winner was the Toyota Landcruiser.  The RSL, many of its older members were veterans of WWII and were ex-PoW(J).   They still hated the Japanese viscerally, protested to the Government and the Government instructed that Landrovers, the second-place winners were to get the Guernsey.  The excuse used was that the "Landcruiser could not be fitted with a MG mount..."   Yet, this was despite the Landrover rarely, if ever, being fitted with a MG mount...  In reality, the Landcruiser could be fitted with an MG mount - if they had bothered to design one for it.  I can still remember friends relatives who refused to purchase anything made in Japan.