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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #150 on: June 22, 2020, 07:54:25 AM »
On a different tangent, I wonder about a RAAF Mirage III fitted for anti-shipping strike with an Exocet such as shown on these:




Would be a subtle whiff to confuse people.
To go along with RAN Sea Harriers carrying one or two of the same missile?

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #151 on: June 23, 2020, 01:42:36 AM »
Maybe.  The Exocet was quite heavy - some 200kg heavier than the Sea Eagles the SHAR could carrier, though I do suppose they could carry a pair whereas one Exocet would be less in total:

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #152 on: June 23, 2020, 02:00:42 AM »
Your mention of the RAN made me also think of the supposed Mirage IIIM, a carrier-based variant, with catapult spool and arresting hook, for operation with the French Aéronavale.  I am thinking this would have been a feat to achieve and operate but maybe with canards able to add both lift and braking effect and thrust reversers a bit like from the Viggen and maybe also some highlight devices.  Thoughts?  May still be dicey trying from something like HMAS Melbourne...
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #153 on: June 24, 2020, 06:05:56 AM »
The Viggen thrust reverser also automatically activated when the nose wheel hit the ground. Not sure regarding carrier landings if nose gear is supposed to hit the deck before or after the hook catches the wire, but maybe have the reverser in any case be activated by a detecting a tug on the hook? That way if you miss the wires the reverser won't activate even if the nose gear hit the deck and you can hopefully still get airborne for a "bolter", but if you do catch the wire, the plane will stop that much sooner (and with less strain on the arrester gear). This is because if the reverser activated but you didn't catch the wire it would not be enough to stop the plane alone and turning it off would cost priceless fractions of a second.

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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #154 on: June 24, 2020, 05:59:53 PM »
Kemola, carrier landings are, basically, a controlled crash-landing &, as the main gear hits the deck, full throttle is applied to the engines in case either a) the hook fails to catch; or b) the hook catches but the wire fails/breaks. This is the only way an aircraft will have even the slightest chance of getting airborne in an emergency. Activating a reverse thrust system is fine, unless something goes wrong, in which case the aircraft is definitely going to be a write off & there's a good chance of the crew suffering serious injury or death.
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Re: Mirage III Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #155 on: June 25, 2020, 01:24:42 AM »
Good point - maybe the thrust reverser was a step too far.
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