Author Topic: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives  (Read 31150 times)

Offline Rickshaw

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #105 on: March 27, 2014, 08:59:47 AM »
LOTS of bad stories around about unicraft.   :(

Offline Volkodav

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #106 on: March 27, 2014, 09:08:16 AM »
Oh?  I hadn't heard of them at all before to be honest, good or bad, do tell.

I had never heard of the AF-1F either and am fascinated, a TF-30 powered A-7 competitor.  Makes a Spey powered, ADEN armed CAC version come to mind.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #107 on: March 27, 2014, 09:21:41 AM »
Unicraft is a one-man model company from Ukraine. He has great model designs and the masters are usually top notch, but the resin products are typically very "rustic". Parts usually have huge gaps or other issues (poor resin, surface defects, etc.). They're buildable, but they require a lot of effort and patience as well as a well stocked parts bin. I think Tophe has done a great job with a few Unicraft kits.

Igor used to make plastic models - he would heat a sheet of plastic and push it into a mold... by hand. You would occasionally see a part with a fingerprint embedded in the plastic. All the parts had one side covered by a scorched, carbonized material (paper?)


Offline Volkodav

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #108 on: March 27, 2014, 09:55:40 AM »
Ok thanks for that.

Does anyone have any info on the AF-1F, I have been looking since I found the wiki reference last night and the only image I have found is the Unicraft kit.  I wouldn't mind finding out more about it and the super Skyhawk too for that matter.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #109 on: March 27, 2014, 09:58:19 AM »
Ok thanks for that.

Does anyone have any info on the AF-1F, I have been looking since I found the wiki reference last night and the only image I have found is the Unicraft kit.  I wouldn't mind finding out more about it and the super Skyhawk too for that matter.
The American Secret Projects book on bombers, attack aircraft, and anti-submarine aircraft covers these and other entrants against the Vought design that became the A-7.

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #110 on: March 27, 2014, 10:03:45 AM »
Thanks for that, another book to add to my wish list.  I wish I just had a decent book shop hear that I could drop into, find and buy what I wanted instead of having to justify ordering online.  Walking into a shop and buying something is seen as an understandable weakness and is forgiven, deliberately ordering something is classed as a premeditated offence (unless its shoes or a handbag).

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #111 on: March 27, 2014, 11:39:38 AM »
Thanks for that, another book to add to my wish list.  I wish I just had a decent book shop hear that I could drop into, find and buy what I wanted instead of having to justify ordering online.  Walking into a shop and buying something is seen as an understandable weakness and is forgiven, deliberately ordering something is classed as a premeditated offence (unless its shoes or a handbag).
A word of warning, that book is OOP and you have to watch the prices on the used ones to grab a reasonably priced one when it shows up.  I finally got lucky and got mine for about what it ran new, usually they are listed for 3x or 4x that.

Offline Volkodav

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #112 on: March 27, 2014, 12:18:12 PM »
Thanks for that, another book to add to my wish list.  I wish I just had a decent book shop hear that I could drop into, find and buy what I wanted instead of having to justify ordering online.  Walking into a shop and buying something is seen as an understandable weakness and is forgiven, deliberately ordering something is classed as a premeditated offence (unless its shoes or a handbag).
A word of warning, that book is OOP and you have to watch the prices on the used ones to grab a reasonably priced one when it shows up.  I finally got lucky and got mine for about what it ran new, usually they are listed for 3x or 4x that.

Yes saw that $230 used $400 new, ouch, it can wait I think.  I did however splurge on Friedman's US Aircraft Carriers, British Cruisers, Destroyers and Frigates as well and Browns Nelson to Vanguard and Rebuilding the Royal Navy.  Once the payment is noticed you may not hear from me again.........

Offline arkon

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #113 on: March 27, 2014, 01:42:09 PM »

Yes saw that $230 used $400 new, ouch, it can wait I think.  I did however splurge on Friedman's US Aircraft Carriers, British Cruisers, Destroyers and Frigates as well and Browns Nelson to Vanguard and Rebuilding the Royal Navy.  Once the payment is noticed you may not hear from me again.........

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #114 on: March 27, 2014, 03:53:20 PM »
Glad that I got my copy when the book first was released.
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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #115 on: March 27, 2014, 03:56:33 PM »
Some details of the NA-295 here
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Offline Volkodav

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #116 on: March 27, 2014, 08:15:40 PM »
Thanks for that, the pics don't show up anymore though.  Interesting concept has got me imagining RAAF and RAN versions built by CAC as a response to Indonesia's USSR supplied kit.  Initial response would be an Australianised FJ-4 and FJ-4B followed by the AF-1F which in turn would eventually be replaced with land and carrier based derivatives of the Mirage F1  ;D.

Offline kitnut617

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #117 on: March 27, 2014, 10:12:16 PM »
Thanks for that, the pics don't show up anymore though. 

You have to sign in to see any pics on that forum --

Offline Volkodav

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #118 on: March 28, 2014, 08:23:36 AM »
Thanks for that, I suppose I had better join then  :)
Thought about it but never gotten around to it before, I notice a few of you are on there so why not.

Offline Volkodav

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Re: F-86 Sabre and Derivatives
« Reply #119 on: May 02, 2014, 02:11:38 AM »
How small a carrier could the FJ-4 be operated from?  Could it for instance have been launched and recovered by a modernised Majestiic class CVL, or was an Essex pretty much the smallest platform it could fly from.

My thinking is instead of waiting until the mid 60s to order the Skyhawk the RAN FAA opted for a CAC manufactured, Avon powered, ADEN armed FJ-4 in the early 60s to counter Indonesia's MIG 17/19/21 and supplement then replace the Sea Venom.  Could this aircraft have been successfully operated from Melbourne and a reconstructed Sydney, or would it have need a larger platfrom?

Any takers?
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