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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2012, 06:13:42 PM »
With regard to the IFR probe, I'd bypass the telescoping aspect completely and go for a shorter swing out probe like you see on the Sepecat Jaguar:

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Or F-105

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I don't really see a reason to put any more hydraulics than are really required into it.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2012, 07:00:10 PM »
My initial plan was to use the existing refueling position of the F-15 but then I thought the probe would be 'out-of-view'.  Using an F-18 set-up was considered but the way I've positioned the cockpit (right where the gun would be) sort of nulified that, but I like that Jaguar set up Upnorth posted, that would work for my project.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2012, 02:20:23 AM »
My initial plan was to use the existing refueling position of the F-15 but then I thought the probe would be 'out-of-view'.

Same here.  The reason I am tending towards the Tornado style is that it also makes it more obvious that this is a later add-on.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2012, 02:44:39 PM »
If you want the probe tucked away, but still see some evidence of it, have you considered the set ups of the Su-24 and Su-27 IFR probes?

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2012, 10:36:03 PM »
Good ideas Upnorth  :) but I think I want to keep the solution more towards a McD one or at the very least, Western World.

The Jaguar system would work very well, but I think I'll try moving the F-18 probe opening around and down the side under the windshield edge first.  I think there's enough room there.

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2012, 02:31:16 AM »
If you want the probe tucked away, but still see some evidence of it, have you considered the set ups of the Su-24 and Su-27 IFR probes?


Yep another valid option:



I think I am going to go with the Tornado style for now put maybe also have the stander boon receptacle left there - theory being that both options are able to be accommodated...
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2012, 02:39:31 PM »


I think I am going to go with the Tornado style for now put maybe also have the stander boon receptacle left there - theory being that both options are able to be accommodated...

Hey, why not? It worked for the Thud.  :)
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2012, 05:53:57 PM »
Does it need to be retractable? If it doesn't have to be, you could go for a fixed probe Ó la Mirage F.1 or 2000. Or maybe even a bolt-on affair like the probe the Israelis used on their F-4s?

Something different:
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2012, 10:47:33 AM »
If you really wanted a simple adaptation, how about a probe assembly that's fixed to the airframe and fits into the existing boom connection?

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2012, 04:43:34 PM »
Maybe something akin to the EE Lightning's probe?

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2012, 10:05:32 PM »
If you really wanted a simple adaptation, how about a probe assembly that's fixed to the airframe and fits into the existing boom connection?

Not necessarily simple Evan, just something that will retracted in the space available and be visible to the pilot when extended.  And of course Western derived --
 
Most of the 'bolt-on' probes always look to me like the designers and engineers forgot something, or (as more likely the case) it wasn't a requirement when the aircraft was designed, then after it was like, 'err! we can't go anywhere without one'.

Much in case was the original Harrier probe, then they got a bit clever with the second adaption.  The Lightning probe though was totally 'hind-sight' to me and looks quite ugly.

My AV-19 would be third generation (maybe forth) so I think the bolt-on or just stick-out probe would be a thing of the past.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2012, 02:23:59 AM »
Don't ignore or overlook the refueling probe attached to a fuel tank.  There are several variations on that theme including one that has a telescoping probe that is stowed in the fuel tank when not in use.  I downloaded a couple of images of one that was based on the fuel tank used on the F-16.


That would be this one:





I did consider, but it isn't as elegant as a aircraft mounted probe.


I was just thinking (ow, ow, ow!):  One could potentially adapt this type of setup (see above) into the F-15's FAST packs:

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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2012, 04:06:24 AM »
What about this sort of solution?

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I'd think you could just modify the existing F-15 IFR hatch to hinge to the side and install the telescoping tube into the existing fuel receptacle.

I think there'd be the room for it and it looks a whole lote more elegant than that fuel tank mounted idea to me.
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2012, 04:10:29 AM »
That is certainly elegant. 
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Re: McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2012, 04:57:09 AM »
Looks realistic.  Not out of place.  :)