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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #275 on: May 09, 2020, 07:59:15 AM »
Raytheon has developed and tested a ground based version of AIM-9X - IIRC, it is also likely to be part of Australia's Land 19 Phase 7B (along with AIM-120C-7s):

About bloody time....the Australian Army's neglect of ground-based air defence has been nothing short of just that - neglect!!😡

P.S. instead of "updated version of the Avenger system" I would prefer an updated Blazer system!

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #276 on: May 10, 2020, 02:55:09 AM »
the Australian Army's neglect of ground-based air defence has been nothing short of just that - neglect!!😡


But where has been the threat?

A good overview of Land 19 Phase 7B may be found here
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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #277 on: May 10, 2020, 07:25:55 PM »
the Australian Army's neglect of ground-based air defence has been nothing short of just that - neglect!!😡


But where has been the threat?

A good overview of Land 19 Phase 7B may be found here

As much as there appears to be no-perceived threat Greg, this notion seems to be more of a convince to the powers that be within the ADF, than that of a sensible inclusion to the ADF's ORBAT. The region has proliferated since the late 1980's in terms of weapons platforms and capabilities. Our involvement in overseas operations has exposed us to air and missile attack; the fact they haven't eventuated has just as much to do with luck than calculation, to say nothing of a complete and utter reliance on the U.S. for such defence. Greg, I'm not talking about air defence systems the likes of Patriot systems, but cheap, simple and effective short-range/Point-Defence systems just like that of Blazer and or Iron Dome, to give defence against the likes of precision-guided weapons, mortar's, MRL's, to say nothing of combat helicopter threat, etc... I think it was and is ironic that the ADF delibratly dragged it's feet - no, I'll go as far as saying neglected neglected ground-based air defence of its army formations, emphasised by phasing out and not replacing the Rapier SAM system. The RBS-70's 16th Regiment has are far to limited in capability and numbers to be effective.
With much irony, that only now, with the growing peer and near-peer state adversaries within our perceived region, the ADF is finally looking at initiating Land 19 Phase 7B. But like all ADF programs, I won't hold my breath until I see one of the candidates of Land 19 Phase 7B in the actual ADF ORBAT.
P.S. as a side note, I don't think one should not overlook the value of a 'Blazer' like system in the ground fire-support role, if it was needed in battle, something Western armies seemingly are happy to have forgotten, but not so much the case in the East.

Cheers Greg 😉

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #278 on: May 13, 2020, 05:30:48 PM »
Does anyone know if you can get a kit in 1/35 of the Green Mace Anti-Aircraft Gun?







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I'd love to see film footage of Green Mace firing trials 😯

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #279 on: May 14, 2020, 11:30:52 AM »
Does anyone know if you can get a kit in 1/35 of the Green Mace Anti-Aircraft Gun?

I have a set of drawings from the author of "Vulcan's Hammer" which he kindly sent me.  It would be a big beast to scratch build which is my plans.  Send me a PM if you're interested in them.  At the moment they are on my non-functioning Linux PC but I hope to repair it in the new few weeks... 

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #280 on: May 21, 2020, 09:32:08 PM »
It would be a big beast to scratch build which is my plans.
Madre de Dios, that would be a helluva thing to see scratchbuilt!

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #281 on: May 24, 2020, 04:59:03 AM »
Australia almost got Nike-Hercules:

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #282 on: September 15, 2020, 09:23:27 AM »
It's a bit different from your normal SPAAG, but there was an article over the weekend concerning the US Army networking sensors with a M109 howitzer firing a new round under development to track and shoot down a target drone.  This could lead to interesting options when fully developed.

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Re: Anti-Aircraft: SPAAG/SAM Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #283 on: September 15, 2020, 11:10:16 AM »
Evan: That was a USAF-run White Sands test of the Hypervelocity Projectile (HVP) - a hypersonic projectile. The 'victim' was a BQM-167 spoofing a Russian cruise missile. HVP firings were done from both the Army's M109 and from a "Navy deck gun". I'm assuming that the latter was a 127 mm Mk 45 piece ... which segues into the origins of the HVP.

The HVP began as an EM railgun projectile for the US Navy. Interim armament for the Zumwalts was supposed to the more conventional Advanced Gun System (AGS) firing 155 mm Excalibur guided rounds. Then they looked at firing the HVP from AGS (which, I'm guessing, is how they ended up in the similar-calibre M109).

Meanwhile, the USN developed a 127 mm HGV round for the Arleigh Burke DDGs' Mk 45 deck gun. First firings were at RIMPAC 2018, AFAIK. The Navy sees a cost advantage in HVP over missile systems like ESSM or RAM - each HVP round costing around U$85k vs millions apiece' for those missiles.
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