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Offline Brian da Basher

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Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« on: February 05, 2012, 03:39:32 AM »
Mr J.P. Vieira has been doing some interesting work on He-162s. He got me thinking. What if they made a piston-engined Salamander with the prop on the front?



Ok so maybe my skills lie elsewhere, but I hope this was at least good for a laugh.
 :D
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2012, 04:11:50 AM »
Different!  Can see where you are going though. :)
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2012, 04:49:47 AM »
Except for the forward (vs pusher) prop, it reminds me of the Göppingen Gö 9

Here's a video:
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 09:49:20 PM »
Thats very interesting and inspiring... Thanks :)

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 02:38:23 AM »
Thanks Brian, I have completed your one by a couple making the comparison to the standard He162 more easy:

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 02:41:09 AM »
I like the singleton
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 05:59:28 AM »
The singlke one is also my favourite: I might do a profile of a similar one soon: thanks

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 12:01:44 PM »
It's only when you start playing around with the Salamander that you realize just how small an aircraft it was! Inspires by JP and BdB, I played with a couple of mid-engined layouts.

After realizing that there'd be little left of the original He-162 airframe, I wondered if two smaller engines mounted on the wing might be better?
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2012, 12:33:47 PM »
Salamander fun is funny, yes, thanks! :D

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2012, 07:26:10 PM »
The second and third profiles are my favourite.

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 02:09:57 AM »
Maybe use a pair of Argus 411 engines?
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2012, 05:16:55 AM »
Salamander must be of air force of Happy Land.  Quite the national marking for bashes  ;)
1/32 HE-162 could bashed into 1/72 bomber.
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2012, 05:22:31 AM »
Maybe use a pair of Argus 411 engines?

That'd work. Since the Argus are inverted Vs, there'd be no problem having them slung under the wings to keep the props clear of the canopy.
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2012, 05:34:18 AM »
Thanks for taking my crude concept and running with it, guys!

Lots of fun! Lucky for the public at large I don't have a Salamander kit in the stash.

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2012, 11:10:46 AM »
More Salamander silliness ...

1st scenario sticks with BdB's original piston premise but on a whole 'nuther scale. War's over and the Bad Guys won. Lufthansa has to replace Tante Ju quickly to satisfy Nazi egomania. Siegfried Günter responds with a supersized Salamander (aka the 'Lufthansa Lighter').

2nd scenario: Good Guys win, Heinkel bogs off to Sweden again like he did after WWI. After re-establishing Svenska Aero, he starts smuggling He-162 bits out of occupied Germany. The Swedish AF already has a better jet fighter and, unfortunately for Ernst, the market for jet-propelled light aircraft is quite small!
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2012, 03:19:53 PM »
Like scenarios and profiles.  You did great.  Am seeing that 1/32 kit as a 1/72 transport.  And those spats,,, waa laa just right.
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2012, 06:54:08 PM »
Very interesting developments.

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2012, 11:52:52 AM »
Thanks lads. Final bit of silliness (I promise!) ...

Top: "How had he ever been convinced to hire Dr-Ing Richard Vogt" Ernst Heinkel asked himself. Vogt was obsessed with flying boats and wouldn't shut up about tubular wing spars. Ein was für Dummkopf er war!

Now Vogt's ill-fated SA-162V flying boat modification was sunk to the bottom of the Lilla Värtan. 'Vatten' indeed.  Gott sei dank!

Bottom: With Vogt gone to America, Ernst was free to concentrate on a lightplane derivative of the Salamander. The SA-262KF (KurirFlyg) had convenient car-door style entry and twin flat-4 pusher engines replaced the unpopular turbojet of the original SA-162.
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2012, 07:40:53 PM »
More Salamander silliness ...

1st scenario sticks with BdB's original piston premise but on a whole 'nuther scale. War's over and the Bad Guys won. Lufthansa has to replace Tante Ju quickly to satisfy Nazi egomania. Siegfried Günter responds with a supersized Salamander (aka the 'Lufthansa Lighter').

2nd scenario: Good Guys win, Heinkel bogs off to Sweden again like he did after WWI. After re-establishing Svenska Aero, he starts smuggling He-162 bits out of occupied Germany. The Swedish AF already has a better jet fighter and, unfortunately for Ernst, the market for jet-propelled light aircraft is quite small!

Great imagination.

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2012, 06:33:57 AM »
Yowsa! My what lovely spats your Salamanders have there, apophenia!
 :-* :-*
I also really like your "scale-o-rama'd" airliner too!

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2012, 09:52:18 AM »
love the amphibion you got there AP!!
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2012, 03:07:38 PM »
Love both of those last two. :)
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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2012, 05:04:40 AM »
That top one looks like a SAAB competitor for the Lake Buccaneer (got a ride one of those : thumbsup).

Bottom one looks more like it came from Piaggio  ;)

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Re: Salamander fun inspired by JP Vieira
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2012, 07:32:02 AM »
Thanks lads.

We need more civil profiles.

Agreed! And, yes, an innocent Piaggio Gull was parted out to create those last two  ;)
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