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Offline Rickshaw

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2014, 09:20:31 PM »
If they did a Saracen, I wonder if they'd have the balls to do it in Northern Ireland Troubles trim, with anti-RPG screens etc..? Is it far enough in the past to be "safe" now?

More than likely have to be aftermarket products.  I doubt Dragon would want to go there.  AIUI it's still a touchy subject in some quarters.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #121 on: June 24, 2014, 10:00:53 PM »
Interesting. I wonder if somebody will do some 1/35th 1950s/60s/70s British figures to go with it?
That would be nice if they did.  Some squaddies armed with Bren, FAL, and GPMG would go quite well with the Saladin and other vehicles from that era.  Would it be too much to hope for a Wombat as well :)
You'd be hard pressed to have found any squaddies armed with FALs in the British Army.

No need to split hairs on what that particular weapon was called as it had many names associated with it.  It was truly an international weapon much like the current crop of Armalite AR-10/AR-15 clones that everyone recognizes today as the M16 or M4 carbine. 

So if you want to pick away at my comments please keep in mind that the rifle system designed by Fabrique Nationale de Herstal (aka FN Herstal or just FN) has many names.  A few of which are listed below:
FN FAL
Sturmgewehr 58
LAR 50.41 and LAR 50.42
FAL 50.61, FAL 50.62, FAL 50.63, FAL 50.64
FAL OSW (DSA-58 OSW)
Olin/Winchester FAL
Armtech L1A1 SAS
Harrington and Richardson T-48
L1A1 SLR

If you use the term FN FAL in any NORMAL conversation you will find that most people will recognize that abbreviation as a reference to the product designed and produced by FN and produced under license by other countries with minor technical changes to the design.  So if I use the term FAL it means I am referring to the FAL whether it is known as a bloody L1A1 or a T-48. 

You seem to be looking for an argument where no argument exists and test the limits of my patience with your deconstructive criticism which might have been better served in a private message to me if you felt that I had made a serious error in my comment.  No, instead you chose to highlight something that is completely out of context.  If it looks like a duck (FN FAL), Quacks like a duck (FN FAL), walks like a duck (FN FAL) then it must be an FN FAL. 


Now returning to the current topic of products from DML/Dragon Models Limited/CyberHobby and your question regarding reviews of the Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70).

Modeling Madness - Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70)
Panzer-Modell.de - Dragon KPz-70

YouTube - Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70)
Dragon 'Black Label' MBT-70 (KPz. 70)


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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #122 on: June 24, 2014, 11:02:06 PM »
Swapping the safety catch with one from the AR made the SLR (L1A1) capable of fully auto fire, modifying the existing safety catch by removing the lobe opposite the thumb lugon the catch makes the SLR capable of fully automatic fire.  Inserting a matchstick or a piece of houchie cord under the sear makes the SLR fire fully auto.  Basically the differences are sweet fa.

Also the British army took a very large number of FN FALs back from the Falklands, so many in fact that it was proposed to issue them to the Paras as a replacement for their L1A1s.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #123 on: June 25, 2014, 05:54:59 AM »
About time a Saladin was made in plastic.
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Offline Rickshaw

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #124 on: June 25, 2014, 08:46:27 AM »
Swapping the safety catch with one from the AR made the SLR (L1A1) capable of fully auto fire, modifying the existing safety catch by removing the lobe opposite the thumb lugon the catch makes the SLR capable of fully automatic fire.  Inserting a matchstick or a piece of houchie cord under the sear makes the SLR fire fully auto.  Basically the differences are sweet fa.

Little bit more than that.  Doing anything but the first one renders the interlock between the bolt carrier and the sear (which makes the hammer work properly) inoperative and that means it is possible for a slam-fire to occur (the round fires before the cartridge is seated properly and the bolt carrier and breach block properly locked into position).  Then there is the problem with the light-weight barrel - you fire on full auto too long and the barrel will warp.  The FN FAL had a heavier barrel (which I forgot to mention) than the L1a1, with thicker walls.

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Also the British army took a very large number of FN FALs back from the Falklands, so many in fact that it was proposed to issue them to the Paras as a replacement for their L1A1s.

However, they didn't.  They destroyed most of them, in situ (by burning and crushing) before disposing of them at sea.  I once had a long conversation with a British RAOC corporal who'd have the unenviable task of doing it.  I doubt there would have been any real advantage in issuing them, they were nearly uncontrollable on full auto anyway.

Offline Rickshaw

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #125 on: June 25, 2014, 09:03:54 AM »
Now returning to the current topic of products from DML/Dragon Models Limited/CyberHobby and your question regarding reviews of the Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70).

Modeling Madness - Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70)
Panzer-Modell.de - Dragon KPz-70

YouTube - Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70)
Dragon 'Black Label' MBT-70 (KPz. 70)


Thanks, I'll look at those and see if it's worth purchasing.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #126 on: June 25, 2014, 10:23:35 PM »
I'd love to whif this kit as a Canadian Armoured Corps, following the same career path as the Leopard. So we'd end up with a well worn MBT-70 with MEXAS armour and slats and mine plow somewhere in Panjwai.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #127 on: June 25, 2014, 10:56:55 PM »
I'd love to whif this kit as a Canadian Armoured Corps, following the same career path as the Leopard. So we'd end up with a well worn MBT-70 with MEXAS armour and slats and mine plow somewhere in Panjwai.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #128 on: June 26, 2014, 05:49:01 AM »
I'm very happy to see the Saladin and I hope it's accurate but $68 USD is painful. Might have to wait for sale to buy it.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #129 on: June 26, 2014, 03:52:15 PM »
i picked up one of the KPz.70 kits, very nice indeed and not too scary in price for a new tool kit too, heres hoping the MBT.70 is not too far behind it :)

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #130 on: June 27, 2014, 04:50:55 AM »
Re the SLR, wasn't it also converted to imperial measurements from metric, and although some parts were interchangeable, quite a lot wern't?
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Offline Old Wombat

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #131 on: June 27, 2014, 11:00:53 AM »
Re the SLR, wasn't it also converted to imperial measurements from metric, and although some parts were interchangeable, quite a lot weren't?

That's a "yes".
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Offline Volkodav

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #132 on: June 27, 2014, 07:10:43 PM »
Re the SLR, wasn't it also converted to imperial measurements from metric, and although some parts were interchangeable, quite a lot wern't?

As was the L2A1 AR (Automatic Rifle) which also had the auto safety and heavy barrel.  Always thought an AR with a conventional fore stock would have been a good thing.  It was a mean looking weapon but my experience of a triple feed and jam on the range did temper my view of them.  I often carried one as No.2 on the gun in my Uni Regiment days, the idea being that in the event of a major stoppage on the M-60 the No.1 and Section 2IC would fix the gun and I would provide suppressive fire with the AR.

Is this getting to the point that its worth splitting off into a separate topic on FN FALs and derivatives?
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #133 on: June 27, 2014, 07:15:38 PM »
Probably.
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2014, 03:28:11 AM »
Hmm…I wonder…Saladin with 30mm RARDEN cannon.
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