Author Topic: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration  (Read 22253 times)

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2012, 02:09:01 PM »
Splendid P-38 drawings.  For first P-38 I am thinking it breaks new ground in terminology.  "Reverse Tricycle" would be more descriptive than tail dragger where draggy tail is close to ground.  Would also be unique in having rear wheel steering when taxiing.  That will be a new pilot skill to learn.  To my recollection it is first ever reverse tricycle rear steer airplane.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2012, 05:22:29 PM »
The rear wheel would only be a small one with a shortish strut so it would be more like a conventional tail dragger.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2012, 01:51:27 AM »


Two R-1535 Twin Wasp Jr.
Span: 54 ft
Length: 34 ft 6 in
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2012, 03:54:47 AM »
Funky looking engine cowlings.  I've a suspicion it would've been found underpowered with only R1535s.  On the other hand, it would give a starting place for developments with larger engines.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2012, 12:45:42 PM »
... it would give a starting place for developments with larger engines.

Yep, like the 21-cylinder R-2300 Triple Wasp Jr.   ;D
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2012, 05:14:36 AM »
Possible inspiration for Soviet or even Finnish P-38s:

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2012, 11:31:05 AM »
A Finn Lightning.    That's cool for every P-38 model.   
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2012, 12:40:00 PM »
Shortly before the Korean war started the U.S. in a shortsighted stupid "peace" jesture bulldozed a lot of P-38L Lightnings into scrap.
Like to have seen what kind showing the P-38L made for itself in those desperate early months of the war.  And later on too.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2012, 11:39:56 AM »
I may try to add your new versions on my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit (with a thousand different Lightnings). Alas, I discover this topic today, and the weekend is finished.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2012, 11:47:13 AM »
Possible inspiration for Soviet or even Finnish P-38s:



ISTR that there was a companion study done of a tracked landing gear for the P-38 as was studied on other aircraft.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2012, 06:22:48 AM »
Random ideas:

Twin turbo-prop P-38 maybe ala Piper PA-48 Enforcer?

High Altitude with extended wingtips and other mods and perhaps a large camera(s) in an extended nose?
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2012, 12:16:54 PM »
Maybe Kit (of PR_19Kit fame) will tell us how to increase span for this P-38. He is the expert for that. He registered but failed to login. I told him he mistyped in PT_19Kit and I hope he will come and enjoy here too...

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2012, 05:52:40 PM »
Thanks Tophe, at last I've managed to get in here.  :)

A P-38 isn't the best candidate for increased span actually. The problem is that the wing planform is markedly tapered already and you can't increase the span much more than what it is before the chord decreases to zero. I ran into a similar problem when increasing the span of my Wellesely BPRIII, and could only add a couple of inches on each side. The Welleseley is a bigger aircraft of course but the P-38 has similarly tapered wings. You'd probably get away with adding an inch on each side but that'd be about it with conventional methods.

On the other hand....  ;)

You could change the taper ouboard of the engines, and it wouldn't look too bad perhaps. Changing the overall taper, from the cockpit pod outward, would be quite difficult I'd venture to suggest, but then we're all Master Modellers here of course.....  :)
« Last Edit: July 07, 2012, 06:01:54 PM by PR19_Kit »
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2012, 11:49:02 PM »
Kit, what is almost impossible in plastic is easy as drawing... Here is the KP-38 Kitning:

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2012, 02:40:23 AM »
All RIGHT!  :)

LOVE the conventional long span one Tophe. Luckily I don't have any unstarted P-38 kits to hand or I'd have the box open already!
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