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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2017, 08:05:34 AM »
Because it was conceived as a 'bomber interceptor', the cannon was for the bombers,
the MGs for potential escorts.

Multiple M2s are fine against fighters, not so good against larger, probably armoured
bombers, if the USAAF had ever faced a massed bomber threat, they would have
switched to a multi-cannon armament.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #106 on: February 12, 2017, 04:16:04 AM »
There was this "Six Shooter" version with two 20mm canon:

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #107 on: April 28, 2018, 04:33:11 AM »
Random thought:  P-38 as turret fighter with turrets at front and rear(?) of central pod.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #108 on: April 28, 2018, 11:10:57 AM »
Random thought:  P-38 as turret fighter with turrets at front and rear(?) of central pod.
Front turret on bottom and rear turret on top?  That would preserve the pilot's sight line for landing.  You would probably need a longer center pod to add the one or two extra gunners required.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #109 on: April 28, 2018, 07:56:37 PM »
Random thought:  P-38 as turret fighter with turrets at front and rear(?) of central pod.
Front turret on bottom and rear turret on top?  That would preserve the pilot's sight line for landing.  You would probably need a longer center pod to add the one or two extra gunners required.

P-58   ???

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #110 on: April 29, 2018, 01:30:50 AM »
I was thinking of the turrets being right on the front/rear of the pod (though the pod will obviously need to be enlarged to accommodate).  Ideally it would involve something akin to ERCO 250SH ones such as that shown below:



Or perhaps something bigger such as the Emerson Aero 9B turret with 20mm cannon:



Either way, I was looking for a twist on the turret fighter concept.  I was thinking something twin engined with twin turrets.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #111 on: April 29, 2018, 01:40:54 AM »
Personally, I would go for the Emerson style one, more streamlined for a fighter I think ---  But even then I still think you'd need something like the P-58 because of it's size, the P-38 is a bit small -- and something would have to be done about the tailplane on either of them to have a turret right at the rear of the fuselage pod.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #112 on: May 03, 2018, 02:00:42 PM »
Way too small a pod for manned turrets, hell the droopsnoot version was
a cramped hell for the poor putz who had to ride there.

Elevating guns and/or rotating nose arrangements would possibly fit, and make as little sense as
they did when tried later. 
;D

One was proposed and a partial installation trialed on a P-80.

F-89 arrangement. Friggin’ moronic.  ;D  :-\


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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #113 on: May 04, 2018, 01:45:55 AM »
Actually a similar arrangement on the P-38 (possibly as a test bed) would be interesting.
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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #114 on: May 04, 2018, 07:18:17 AM »
Actually a similar arrangement on the P-38 (possibly as a test bed) would be interesting.
Perhaps using the Lightning "Swordfish" as the testbed?  That longer center nacelle could help.

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Re: Lockheed P-38 Lightning Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #115 on: May 04, 2018, 09:21:01 AM »
F-80 elevating nose gun test aircraft.

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