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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2017, 02:34:06 AM »
Cheers Tophe; its main ingredient is patience - loads of it. Of course at times I just don't have the mojo for it and it becomes somewhat sloppy.. we can't be on top all of the time!  ;)

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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2017, 01:16:17 AM »
Nice work on all of it - Like the Heinkel best so far, but I expect the Lighggen( ;) ) will be smashing.

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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2017, 09:12:20 AM »
Fan-freakin'-tastic!  >:D Two of the most awesome aircraft bashed together! What's not to love?  :-*
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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2017, 10:45:48 PM »
The Liggen/Vightning/whatever is still in the works though the clock still turns and other models reach the finish; so lets jump back in time to Ronald Reagan taking office in the White House!

The military build-up besides encompassing the 600-ship Navy and revival of the B-1 also made room for more exotic projects. Ever since the maiden flight of Concorde during 1969 and most especially the 1973 Solar Eclipse Mission the USAF had a wet dream of a SuperSonicReconaissance aircraft that with in-flight refuelling capability and room for various mission types also should be capable of accommodating a double crew for very long extended flights around the Globe at high speed. More or less instant recce where We want it - when We want it!
With Reagan ready to open the coffers the USAF handed in their projects among a lot other and got the go as had been the case of the B-1 revival.
In years to come following delivery of the first USAF SSR-001 in 1983 from the assembly line that had been moved to Seattle on March 23, coinciding with the on-TV launching of the Strategic Defence Initiative didn't fail to name the aircraft Star Wars 1 by those on the inside of the USAF!
The first hot mission occured on April 18, following the bombing of the US Embassy in Beiruth, Lebanon supplementing other sources of intel gathered.
Actually knowledge of the aircraft was kept limited for a number of years and even if rumours of its operations did get out the information was very small with no pictures of the aircraft existing; that is not until the Libyan-Chad war broke out in January 1987 when the French foreign minister managed to disclose that part of the intelligence gathered that made Chadian army able to defeat the Libyan tank brigade had been provided by USAF overflights of SSR-001 aircraft.
This led to a mad scramble of any air-nerd worldwide to produce pics of the aircraft. It wasn't till late 1987 when a British journalist on a trip across the Indian Ocean managed to get a blurred image from high altitude of one on the runway of Diego Garcia base. It didn't exactly mirror you ordinary Concorde - if a Concorde ever could be labelled ordinary - with the twin rudders and antennae panels behind the cockpit.
It took some years before the USAF itself disclosed the SSR-001 which then happened at a US airshow. In an instant the aircraft was the most photographed of the world. It was speculated that the tail/rudders lay-out was in response to the not uncommon problems that had been encountered on Concorde but could also be part of Radar profile reduction that would help to make it near radar-invisible! This of course was not commented on by US defense department officials.
Here's a few pictures:




It was apparent that USAF aircrews still would uphold the great tradition of nose-art  8)


The aircraft registration did pose some queries from air-plane spotters - would this be the new Airforce II?

..or did this signal VIP-transport too with of course a most prestitious mile-high-club following??  :-*

Anyway the upper fuselage "windows" as well as the under fuselage "windows" were the focus of much air-nerd debate usually attributing the lower ones to cameras though the upper ones would remain a mystery. At some point it was reported that a Tu-144 had been spotted at Schönefeld Airport East Berlin with like "windows"!  ???


This Airfix 1/144 Concorde was handed me by my brother-in-law; partially built with one main landing gear broken I decided to go for a kit-bash. The tail was sawed off and replaced  with ones from Heller 1/72 Viggen's. The antennae panel's are pieces of plastic card glued to the fuselage. Decals from stash. Brush painted in Light and Dark Ghost Gray.
Enjoy.  ;D

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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2017, 11:13:44 PM »
VERY wonderful Concorde-Viggen scaleorama mix! :-* :-*

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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2017, 02:35:04 AM »
Great mashup.  Maybe a Concodiggen?  ;)
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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2017, 06:22:54 PM »
I really like the V tail conversion.

That's some inspired thinking!

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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2017, 02:47:10 AM »
Beautiful!!  It looks like it could come directly from a Dale Brown novel.

Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2017, 04:47:38 AM »
The  He 70 Floatplane / HM-III reminded me of a British WWII bomber... just remembered the name: The Vickers Wellesley:





The Wellesley was actually tested for torpedo dropping.




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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2017, 03:40:06 PM »
Glad you all like the Rec-corde!  :D
@dogsbody: serves to open up possibilities.  ;D

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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2017, 04:40:31 PM »
Like that SSR-001 and background story.  Every picture says "speed"  8)

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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2017, 03:04:10 AM »
1973 the USA was abandoning South Vietnam which was televised worldwide as was the Yom Kippur War in the Middle East and following this the main topic of the day would be the Arab Oil Embargo on the west with rising oil prices and private car running prohibited in places. The days of unrestricted speeding had gone.

One thing that escaped public attention was the transfer of one English Electric Lightning from no. 11 Sqn at RAF Binbrook to Saab works at Linköping southwest of Stockholm. For some years English Electric had been aware that something would have to be done if the Lightning should remain in production and service. The Sea Lightning with the variable geometry wing had proven a non-starter a cheaper solution had to be found and English Electric though they had found that in Sweden.
Saab was a world leader in combat aviation with the J-35 Draken and J-37 Viggen both of groundbreaking deltawing design and top avionics. A cooperation seemed the right thing to enter.
The Swedes weren't exactly enthusiastic about the prospect as they were busy building Viggens for the Swedish Airforce; however to maintain good relations with Britain they agreed to refurbish a single Lightning with a delta wing and upgraded avionics. The latter on condition that it be returned should the future cooperation fall out. Which the Swedes coolly expected to happen.
Receiving the Lightning the Saab engineers quickly removed the wings and avionics and then began pondering what to do next. Various configurations were suggested among these something resembling the Project J-36 wing but that was abandoned due to cost. Instead some junior engineer suggested modifying the Viggen wing and canards and bolt them onto the airframe. That would necessiate another main landing gear but taking measurements it was found to be possible to keep the Viggen gear by mounting the wing lower than the original Lightning wing. The canards was mounted ahead of the wing - Viggen fashion.
Avionics were cut down too; retaining the Red Top missiles on the fuselage hardpoints and keep the wiring for the Sidewinders and Sparrows in the wings. A 30mm cannon was mounted in the nose on the starbord side of the fuselage. Refuelling probe was place under the port canard - and very carefully recorded with provision added to Viggens for eventually adding such in a crisis. Nothing was of course disclosed of this arrangement though the Airforce staff and ministry of Defence were briefed.

The aircraft was given a new lick of paint and then flown back to Britain for a promotions bash at the RAF and MoD. Sadly the RAF was elated by the prospect of a upgraded Lightning which actually flew well and had more hardpoints for missiles as well as a cannon but the MoD simply didn't have money and already other options were considered.

XV738 kept flying with no. 11 Sqn till funding of maintenance for the odd bird ran out during 1975. It had by that time been visiting Linköping several times to have the Swedish avionics removed and general maintenance carried out as well as drinks in the mess of nearby Malmen Airbase for the pilot in the good company of Swedish pilots of F13 Wing. In late 1975 a group of Saab engineers arrived at RAF Binbrook to remove the wings and canards and XV738 would for more then a decade lie abandoned and rusting in a desolate corner of the base only to be scrapped as no. 11 Sqn had been disbanded on 30. April 1988. The story of XV738 is now only known to a few; even Urbans blog of Cancelled Saab aircraft projects makes no mention of the Lighiggen/Liggen/Vightning as it was affectionately know to those RAF pilots who had the chance to fly it.

XV738 with 11. Sqn flash under cockpit

Rear shot of burner cans

Front shot - Red Top on fuselage rail Sparrow under wing cannon groove in nose

Wings configuration

As intercepted Bears would see the XV738


The construction have been posted; the painting was by brush upper Life Color RAF Dark Green undersides Pollyscale Aluminium missiles Life Color Light Gull Gray. Decals from Lightning kit Airfix old Harrier GR.1 and Airfix Buccaneer in the late edition. The kit decals were prone to disintegrating and had to be touched up with Xtracrylix Trainer Yellow. The old and new Airfix ones worked a treat.
A nice fun build and a really better looking Lightning.  :smiley:

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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2017, 03:08:43 AM »
 :smiley:
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2017, 08:10:00 AM »
Great backstory and built!  :smiley:
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Re: Danish Navy project HM-III 1937
« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2017, 02:36:24 PM »
Wonderful result! :-*
I am surprised a little by the backstory: you do not mention that the key of this project was Denmark (with an order for 1,000 copies?) ;)