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[U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« on: June 03, 2017, 03:04:03 AM »
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UNCLASSIFIED.

[U ] The following thread is a historical review, Friendly Forces Battle Damage Assessment (FF BDA) and Technical Intelligence assessment of items captured during Operation Highjump.

[U ] Officially titled The United States Navy Antarctic Developments Program, 1946–1947, was a United States Navy operation organized by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd, Jr., USN (Ret), Officer in Charge, Task Force 68, and led by Rear Admiral Richard H. Cruzen, USN, Commanding Officer, Task Force 68.

[U ]Operation Highjump commenced 26 August 1946 and ended in late February 1947.

[U ]Task Force 68 included 4,700 men, 13 ships, and 33 aircraft. Operation Highjump's publically stated primary mission was to establish the Antarctic research base Little America IV.

[U ] In actuality, the primary mission was to identify the location, capabilities and intentions of hold-out Nazi Scientists and SS personnel who had fled Europe in early/mid 1945.

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2017, 03:28:40 AM »
Now that you're all in the proper mood, this thread came about after reading a post by Frank3k. So Frank's box came in the mail today and the contents immediately went to the paint shop.


(Frank does nice work, but you folks knew that already...)

So, on the outside this looks like an easy build... but for the interior, *what* are we facing?  In the context of Operation High Jump, we'll assume that the Fourth Reich types armed some of their technology demonstrators and test-bed vehicles with advanced anti-shipping and anti-aircraft weaponry, in order to stop - or at least delay - Admiral Byrd's fleet.


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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2017, 03:42:42 AM »
"Hey, Sir. Flatbeds are outside with everything Recovery could sweep up. If you don't mind signing here,here aaand... here, that'd be great."


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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2017, 03:48:21 AM »
[Cue X-Files theme music]

Looks like you are off to a good start on the paint work but the next image showing parts for a smoke detector have me wondering where this is going.  :)
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2017, 04:00:59 AM »
[Cue X-Files theme music]

Looks like you are off to a good start on the paint work but the next image showing parts for a smoke detector have me wondering where this is going.  :)


Seriously, you know how hard it is to reverse-engineer advanced technology from a smoldering pile of quasi-radioactive parts?


Guess you'll just have to use your imagination and that's what this thread is for - y'all got a Martin PBM Mariner post-war build to show off? Luft-46 or the like builds?

How about Nazi rocket packs? Those are always a hoot.

Nazi UFOs are a thing. Who knew?
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGKVF&P=FR&atrkid=V3ADW3A24148B_10642245165_pla-67528028445__36556522365_g_c_pla__1o4&gclid=CJzvj4L6n9QCFc6Eswod07sPTg

Even Wallyworld stocks 'em
https://www.walmart.com/ip/haunebu-II-WWII-German-Flying-saucer-1-72-UFO-model-kit/873523737?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=587&adid=22222222227084106277&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=196756108472&wl4=pla-314842529020&wl5=1025197&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=112354378&wl11=online&wl12=873523737&wl13=&veh=sem

More homework reading
http://www.roswellufomuseum.com/research/ufotopics/naziufocrash.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330566/Hitlers-secret-flying-saucer-Did-Fuhrer-plan-UFO-attack-London-NY.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/522518/German-documentary-claims-Roswell-UFO-Nazis

I was hoping this model would spin-up enough to rend time & space, but no such luck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOxwcAWumf0


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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2017, 04:16:40 AM »
I have my own battles to contend with in the form of that Testor's Area S4 UFO thing and my attempts at imagineering some kind of interior for the thing so I can appreciate your own struggles.  Antarctic NAZI Storm Troopers sporting jet belts was covered by that guy from Dust?  I recall one of his resin figures was fitted with some kind of jet/rocket pack. 
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2017, 04:20:58 AM »
I have my own battles to contend with in the form of that Testor's Area S4 UFO thing and my attempts at imagineering some kind of interior for the thing


Oh, that's different. Weren't some of those Alien craft technically *living* things chock full oforganic technology?. See also the collected works of HR Giger (they let him wander around a couple of those things by himself, for a bit too long).

PS: Shoutout for the "Plates In Spaaaaaaaaaaaace" thread
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2017, 05:02:55 AM »
LoL! :)

I would have been better off going the "Plates in Space" route TBH. 

Geiger made some really creepy stuff but that is just my view on his work as it definitely made the first Aliens film extra creepy. 
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2017, 05:04:54 AM »
I resolved the docking issues with my UFO shape by using the tripod shape stand from the IDF Alien Attacker model produced by Lindberg shortly after that film was debuted.  Are you going to use some of those parts to create some kind of docking stand for your saucer? 
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2017, 05:27:59 AM »
The following commentary made by the Project Senior Engineer.


Unser erster Schritt war, die fünf Motoren zu testen. Wenn jemand diesen Bausatz baut, sollten sie wirklich darauf achten, jede Motor-Gondel mit LED-Leuchten anzubringen. Beachten Sie die Räumboote im Hintergrund, für Maßstab.


Revolver und Rumpf-Layout. Details zum Innenraum werden in einer späteren Entsendung angesprochen.


Details des Fahrwerks und der unteren Rüstung. Dieser Bereich kann zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt mit Zinkchromat gewaschen werden.


Revolverprüfung zum Rumpf.

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2017, 05:30:11 AM »
Are you going to use some of those parts to create some kind of docking stand for your saucer?

If I can acquire a 3" diameter slice of clear cylindrical Lexan tubing about twice the height of the landing gear/lower armor panels, that'd make a nice display cradle.

LoL! :) I would have been better off going the "Plates in Space" route TBH.  Geiger made some really creepy stuff but that is just my view on his work as it definitely made the first Aliens film extra creepy.

Perfect opportunity you got there to throw a curve ball and make something shocking.  :icon_fsm:
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2017, 12:21:07 PM »
Loving it so far 8)

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2017, 12:25:52 PM »
Gut gemacht!
Great to see that old Invader's kit being put to good use! Fantastic back story, too.

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2017, 11:11:40 PM »
Gut gemacht!
Great to see that old Invader's kit being put to good use! Fantastic back story, too.

The notion had been rattling around in the spare parts corner of my Imagination, until I saw your post. All of this lays at your feet. Thanks again.

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2017, 11:25:48 PM »
Orientation to Craft Operation Systems

[U ] #1 The following defines the major subsystems of this craft, as well as the weapons systems recovered and reconstructed.

[U ] #2 This is not meant to be a definitive analysis, and only addresses one Craft. Variations are to be expected.

[U ] #3 For orientation purposes on flight characteristics, see http://www.hawking.org.uk/space-and-time-warps.Html

See also http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2920305/Space-time-tunnel-Milky-Way.html


See also http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/fasterlight.php


[U ] #4 Suggested reading music for #3 https://youtu.be/kjxSCAalsBE


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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2017, 11:29:59 PM »
So now that you've all absorbed the egghead stuff, let's turn to the craft's two major subassemblies; the flight deck with engines (or "saucer") and the crew compartment and payload bay.

Saucer drive technology and construction is someone else's department, so we'll go down the rabbit hole on the interior (which I imagine feels like a cross between a Ju-88 flight deck, a Tiger II turret and the interior of a U-boat.


Yeah, most of the interior looks like this...

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2017, 11:35:56 PM »
So if this thing can jump point-to-point across Space-Time and only needs fuel for operations in the immediate Area of Interest, then beyond what's needed on the flight deck can be devoted to payload; Assault, 'Exploration' or... "Humanitarian Operations".


Everyone knows that all of Pax Americana's best weaponry was the result of Operation Paperclip. That'd be your stereotypical...

The weapons system on this was a precursor of the Vertical Launch System.


Two racks, with launch points in the center top of the saucer, allowed for warhead selection based on target.




Everybody tracking like a 'lazer' beam so far? Any questions? Buehler? Anyone?
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2017, 02:39:36 AM »
This is coming right along, and great story! It's good to see this kit become something great, rather than sitting in my closet.

I love the "not my circus, not my monkeys" ("Nie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy") 

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2017, 08:58:14 PM »
 As a long time student of the odious myth of the Nazi flying saucers, I heartily approve of this, and look forward to seeing the work progress.

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2017, 10:34:50 AM »
The mood, in a word, should be cramped.



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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2017, 10:38:10 AM »
That said, it's bisected horizontally.

See if you can guess what went into this stew. Currently sitting @ 85% complete.
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2017, 02:13:00 AM »
This is coming along nicely.
All hail the God of Frustration!!!

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2017, 03:06:32 AM »
ADDITIONAL COMBAT CAPABILITIES

[U ] 1. Capabilities: while this class of saucer's primary armament was a twin missile launcher, other operating systems were employed with lethal/catastrophic effect against contemporary Allied aircraft.

[U ] 2. Saucers were capable of both atmospheric as well as trans-dimensional flight, via gravitation engines and a portal drive respectively. Reference the gun camera frame B2309-30121946 (3), saucer pilots were able to score kills by A) initiating the first stage of the portal drive against airborne targets directly in 'front' of it [note the cone-shaped 'haze' to the left of saucer] and B) engaging the reverse polarity on the gravity engines when over airborne targets [indicated by expanding 'ball lightning'].



[U ] 3. Single frame of USN gun camera footage.
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2017, 04:57:45 AM »
Endanflugrechner



[Revised for Clarity]
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2017, 07:06:57 AM »
It's literally a "smart" weapons system...

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2017, 01:17:20 AM »
95% complete build.


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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2017, 02:57:51 PM »
Awesome detail work there, mate! :)
"This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and, ah, explode."

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« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2017, 09:07:04 AM »
It's literally a "smart" weapons system...

How do you think Byrd's people got all the information they did? It wasn't epiphanies from a bunch of Tech Intel types over a pile of parts. The black box was *mostly* co-operative, but HIPAA regs prevent total candor about the peculiarities of that source.


Awesome detail work there, mate! :)
This is coming along nicely.
As a long time student of the odious myth of the Nazi flying saucers, I heartily approve of this, and look forward to seeing the work progress.
This is coming right along, and great story! It's good to see this kit become something great, rather than sitting in my closet.

I love the "not my circus, not my monkeys" ("Nie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy") 

Thanks, gentlemen. I'm noodling the last few steps.

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2017, 03:24:01 AM »
What a treat to see one of these being built!

Will be sure to keep tuning in!

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2017, 02:46:49 AM »
Gibberish.                                                                                           Not Gibberish.

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2017, 03:38:37 AM »
Rote Linie = doppelwandige Schottwand
Flugdeck A
Raketenmagazin B
Raketenwerfer C
12,7 cm HV Geführte Raketen D
12,7 cm IR Geführte Raketen E
Flugbetrieb F
Waffenbetrieb G
Red line = double-walled bulkhead (both walls from UFO kit, back-to-back)
A Flight deck (HO scale Victorian house railings)
B Spring loaded rocket magazine deck (bulkhead door from UFO kit) (Works like this)
C Missile Launcher (Sagger Rails from a 1:48th scale Mi-24)
D 12.7 cm HV guided rockets (rocket rack from 1:48th ITC Grumman Duck)
E 12.7 cm IR guided rockets (AT rockets from 1:48th Mi-24 Hind kit)
F Flight Operations position (Pilot's seat from a 1:48th Lindberg P47 kit)
G Weapons Operations position (Pilot's seat from the UFO kit)

Raketenlademotor H
Raketengestell vertikale Unterstützung I
Raketengestell J
Besatzung Sauerstoff K
Luftkompressionssystem für Raketenwerfer L

H Missile loading motor (HO fireplug and trashcan)
I Missile rack vertical support (AIRFIX Great Western paddle wheel sprue)
J Missile racks (HO scale T-62 turret ring hull sections)
K Life support systems (48th scale Mi-24 Hind rocket pod halves)
L  Air compression system for missile launchers (scrap sprue)

Raketenbelastungsarm M
Untere Raketenablage horizontale Unterstützung  N
Raketen-Rack-Motor O
Atomwaffen P
Obere Raketenregal horizontale Unterstützung Q

M Missile loading arm (random scrap from parts box) N Lower Missile rack horizontal support (Great Western, again..)
O Missile rack loading motor (HO scale trash can)
P 15 cm Atomic gravity bombs (48th scale gravity bomb fins from an A-10 )
Q Upper Missile rack horizontal support (AIRFIX Great Western paddle wheel sprue)



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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2017, 06:28:52 AM »
Those are some awesome details and I like how you let us know what the base parts were.

This is shaping up to be an epic project!

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2017, 10:32:23 PM »
Those are some awesome details and I like how you let us know what the base parts were.

This is shaping up to be an epic project!

Brian da Basher

+1 :)
"This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and, ah, explode."

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2017, 02:09:15 AM »
Again, thank you gentlemen.

Brian - Pardon but I'd lost some formatting on the last series of photos. In addition to the German (to the left) and explanatory (to the right), I've ammended the text in my post above with (Bold and Parentheses) to better hightlight the source materials.



Since the genesis of this craft was a TV prop, with the weakness of an oversimplified interior to facilitate filming, I decided to *think like a prop designer*; given an advanced-technology Nazi saucer but constrained to WWII German design philosophies (10 lbs of highly functional crap packed into a 5 lb container*) while recycling available materials.

*- pay attention here, you Hollywood people. Given how cheap and small good cameras are, you could seed the interior of one of these claustrophobic craft with enough lenses to keep any director happy. Unless the director is just permanently unhappy.

But at least I didn't resort to the bathroom plunger.
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2017, 06:24:33 AM »
Quick-n-dirty walkthrough from the underside.



A HO Victorian house gratings.
B Bulkhead doors from UFO kit, repositioned to be 'racetrack' style magazines for those 12.7 cm missiles. And these guys think their U-shaped magazine for the AR15 is 'revolutionary'.
C Twin ATGM rails from Hind Mi-24
D 48th scale Grumman Duck rocket rack


E HO T-62 turret race pieces.
F Sprue reinforcements as bulkhead braces. To upper left, sprue as underside/bottom half of flight computer (probably should have beaten it up some more so as not to look so sprue-like)
G Drop down crew ladder from ... Victorian House grating. Make a note of this, factors into our later monkeying around with the hull.
H Great Western sprue, horizontal
I Great Western sprue, verticle
J Maintenance deck for missile arm motor, again the Victorian house grating.


K Lumpy looking missiles. Note that one of them (#3 of 4) has already been expended. Thanks, A10 kit with tons of ordnance. (was editing while you were posting, elmayerle ). Upper left (white) is the fuze box.
L  HO scale T62 turret races attached to Great Western sprue. White is HO fireplug, to the left is HO Victorian house grating.

I figured that since this was a saucer design, circles had something major to do with it's form and function (hence the paddle wheel sprues of smaller-than-turret diameter, in both the horizontal and vertical planes).

Peripheral inspiration
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2017, 06:28:03 AM »
Love the information, but what is "K"?

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2017, 08:38:13 PM »
Very impressive !

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2018, 09:32:15 PM »
I'll just leave this here, filed under 'L' for Ludicrous.
https://www.thelocal.de/20180619/toy-nazi-ufo-taken-off-market-after-criticism

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2018, 11:07:17 PM »
Oh, FFS! :-X All they have to do is change what is in the description & make it what it is ... Science Fiction!
"This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and, ah, explode."

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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2018, 03:22:44 AM »
^ Which is exactly what is happening at the moment and which is all that was asked of Revell. Nothing more.
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Re: [U] Operation HIGH JUMP (1947)
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2018, 01:29:40 AM »
This thread would probably give the pearl clutchers an aneurism.