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Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« on: March 22, 2017, 09:41:51 AM »
OK, the chances of this being finished before the end of the GB is nil, nix nada & zilch but it has given me the incentive to start it.


So, first images:

The boxes


What's in the boxes (well, some of it, anyway)


First cutting done (last night)


What a Sunderland looks like without its belly


Where I'm going with this
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 09:53:10 AM »
Cool. A near perfect fit. So will you shorten the hull or lengthen the fuselage?
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 10:05:59 AM »
Possibly a bit of both.

Not 100% sure on where I'm going with it. I'll definitely extend the Tracker nose forward & (probably) fit a radar nose; however, if I shorten the tail, I can fit the MAD boom or I could extend it & fit a tail radar, instead.

Decisions! Decisions! :-\
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 10:34:00 AM »
Looking very promising!  :)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 12:15:00 PM »
Very nice piece of scale-o-rama 1/48+1/72... :-*

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2017, 12:21:49 PM »
Great scale-o-rama perception.  Having good vibes about this build. :)

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2017, 03:24:43 PM »
Looking good!  :)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2017, 10:04:30 PM »
Thanks, guys! :)

This build has been calling to me for quite some time now & I'm really enthused (Almost like an armour build!) by it. Hopefully it stays that way!
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2017, 03:25:52 AM »
Well I will give you all the encouragement I can! This looks to be Epic!

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 09:29:11 AM »
Hackage.. begin.

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2017, 10:01:13 AM »
Thanks! :) :)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2017, 10:47:13 PM »
Think I've settled on a SAR role for this build, with a radar nose, & wing mounted DF units (to home in on EPIRB's), plus the Grumbly's search-light, & the sonobuoy chutes can be for flares.

I'm still tossing up whether to do a radar tail or enlarge the MAD boom housing to become a chute for emergency bundles (a tube with an inflatable raft, medical supplies, food & water).

I'm currently in the process of trying to work out if I have the skill-set/confidence to make it an amphibian.
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2017, 05:55:06 AM »
I'm currently in the process of trying to work out if I have the skill-set/confidence to make it an amphibian.

Is it too late to find a different amphibian kit for the hull containing the wheel cavities? 

Maybe the old Monogram 72nd scale SA-16 Albatross kit?  Not sure about other amphibians that would be good candidates for your kit bash.
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2017, 08:57:38 AM »
I'm looking at my 1/72 Catalina with a view to copying its gear to fit the Tracker & kit wheels. Looks complex but do-able. ;)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2017, 07:29:41 PM »
Things have been happening. Slowly, I'll admit, due to work & 1:1 scale fernery construction, but happening, none the less.

I hope to get some photo's up sometime in the next day or two - mostly it's been detailing the sadly sparse cockpit & fitting the nose-wheel well.

 :)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2017, 10:20:58 PM »
I'm looking at my 1/72 Catalina with a view to copying its gear to fit the Tracker & kit wheels. Looks complex but do-able. ;)

You would be better off using CL-215/415 gear which you can get from Scale Aircraft Conversions

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2017, 12:05:38 AM »
I'm looking at my 1/72 Catalina with a view to copying its gear to fit the Tracker & kit wheels. Looks complex but do-able. ;)

You would be better off using CL-215/415 gear which you can get from Scale Aircraft Conversions

Nah, I'll stick with the Cat gear. :)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2017, 10:07:20 AM »
Photo's of minimal progress:

Almost all the lumpy-bumpy bits are scratch-built;














Most was built from my memory without references but I've brightened up the panels because it's not a Tracker. The vertical control column is what our (RAN) E's & G's had (don't know what model the kit's front-panel style column came from), I'm pretty sure I have the wing-fold controls modelled on the top panel somewhere, & the curtain is to block the void behind the cockpit.
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2017, 11:25:50 AM »
Killer interior work.  At least order of magnitude beyond my best.  :)

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2017, 01:11:57 PM »
Thanks, Bill! :icon_alabanza:
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2017, 12:31:21 AM »
Next update:

The fuselage bunged together with some filler strips (more required) & the radome nose fitted.









Still don't know what to do with the rear end; drop chute for survival equipment or radome?

Suggestions? ???
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2017, 04:59:44 AM »
Oh my but that is looking mighty fine!  :)

I would have thought that a MAD boom la the P3 Orion was the obvious addition to the rear... but perhaps too obvious?

« Last Edit: April 06, 2017, 05:02:15 AM by Claymore »
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2017, 09:00:35 AM »
Yeah, mate. I'm making her a SAR bird, plus, if I was to fit a MAD boom, I'd use the Tracker's retractable item (less chance of damage on take-off & landing).

Also, if I was to make her an ASW bird, there'd need to be a second (different) aircraft type with her to drop the ordnance.

Options I'm toying with are;

Sonobuoy chutes are going to be for smoke-flares, with

1) A chute coming out the rear, loaded & launched by the non-pilot crew, for cased emergency equipment with maybe 4 or 6 internal reloads.

2) 2 x wing-mounted drop-cases & a radome on the butt

3) Go for nothing & just square off the end, with the crew relying on the smoke-flares to guide in watercraft if they can't land.


Note: The casings will have a small raft (3/4 person) & emergency supplies (medical, water, food) in them for those situations when the water is too rough to make a landing.


(Odd thought: How does one "land" on water? ??? )




Edit: Tidied up reply, it was a mess.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2017, 09:57:18 AM by Old Wombat »
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2017, 03:37:27 PM »
Doh! Please excuse my buffoonery, I entirely missed your plan to go down the SAR line.  :-[

A smoke/flare chute out the rear seems logical, as does the under-wing containers. Probably also need a high powered search light (could be fitted in the wings as a fixed mount) or in some sort of turret for maximum flexibility. Perhaps said turret could also mount a thermal camera system too.

Not sure if the turret could fit in the rear but it's worth a thought.
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2017, 10:12:33 PM »
S-2 Tracker comes with an insanely brilliant arc light mounted on the starboard wing as is (there's a joystick for it next to the co-pilot's window) but I may try  to find a way of fitting a thermal/IR camera system to the port wing, too.

 :)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2017, 06:51:43 AM »
...and Doh again!  You can probably tell that aircraft really aren't my bag at all. As an ex-ground-based-air-defender they are all just a bunch of targets anyway!!  ;)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2017, 10:13:54 AM »
I'm a dabbler.

General knowledge in most fields but nothing too deep, although I do have my favourites - the Tracker being one of them (me being an ex-RAN Tracker Whacker).
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2017, 01:26:20 PM »
 :)  8) 8) :)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2017, 02:09:28 PM »
Crossed scales and countries in same build to get this configuration - brilliant  :)

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2017, 01:50:18 AM »
Thanks, Bill!

Scale of pieces used so far: 1/72, 1/48 & 1/35 :)


Fuselage PSR complete, for now.

Photo's tomorrow later today, if I don't spend too much time at the South Australian Aircraft Museum, which is having an "open cockpit" day, with 9 cockpits available to sit in - camera is charged & ready to go!
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2017, 06:18:04 PM »
So, after a couple of rounds of PSR, the fuselage is in the following state;









More needs to be done before it's completely complete (landing gear wells, landing gear & the butt-end) & I can fit the wings & engines, which are what I'll start work on next.
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2017, 06:38:18 PM »
Can see it becoming more legitimate  :)

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2017, 09:36:21 PM »
Definitely looking very interesting   :)

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2017, 04:53:11 AM »
Thanks, guys! :)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2017, 09:22:17 AM »
Amazing PSR job on the fuselage nose!

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2017, 06:13:08 PM »
Thanks, Frank! :)


I knew the look I wanted & I put more effort into getting the PSR right this time (still some faults but much better than my usual).
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2017, 11:28:23 PM »
Looks smooth as silk!

Talk about impressive!

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2017, 06:48:08 PM »
Can't wait to see the finished result.

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2017, 08:54:42 AM »
Reminds me of an Albatross now with that nose! I could say something about Jimmy Durante but I won't......

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2017, 10:17:36 PM »
OK, so this is a fail for this GB. :(

This is where I got to:

Wings are just dry-fitted to the fuselage & the nacelles are just dry-fitted to the wings.














However, the build goes on! ;D

Looks like a bit of internal structural framing is required, then it's PSR time! (Oh, joy! ::) )


The future is here: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7092.15
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2017, 04:57:07 PM »
I really like the look of those engines with that amazing hull you put together!

Will be keeping an eye peeled for further updates!

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2017, 06:47:50 PM »
Thanks heaps, BdB! :icon_alabanza:

Don't forget to follow the build as it continues in the Physical Models "Aero-space" forum: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7092.15  :)
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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2017, 07:50:32 PM »
Yeah! nice work   :) :) :)

Did the same when I was putting this below together

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Re: Grumman FB-2G Grebe
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2017, 02:47:28 PM »
Pity.. so moving on to the next forum topic to see it continue then