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Offline kerick

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2017, 03:44:01 AM »
Thanks a lot for this bunch of great ideas! I will try to illustrate them...
First (most easy):

How would your first version look using an F-82 instead of a P-38?

I might be nuts enough to try to build that.....
What to use for the curved wings is the question.....

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2017, 04:40:24 AM »
Truly brilliant Tophe!  :) :)
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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2017, 04:54:52 PM »
Thanks!

What to use for the curved wings is the question.....
It seems, according to Google, there are models of "snecma coléoptère 1/72" by Mach and Planet. That could give 4 quarters-of-circle wings for 2 models (like P-82 AND P-51)...

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2017, 11:49:35 PM »
I wonder how 2 1/144 PBY planing hulls would fit on a 1/72 F-82. 
Then I would add the other Allison to the rear of the engine nacelle, Savoia-style.
Here is the Acreelidated PBY82 Catalistang (thanks!):

Offline kerick

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2017, 12:07:12 AM »
Thanks!

What to use for the curved wings is the question.....
It seems, according to Google, there are models of "snecma coléoptère 1/72" by Mach and Planet. That could give 4 quarters-of-circle wings for 2 models (like P-82 AND P-51)...

I'll have to look into that! thanks!

Offline Tophe

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2017, 01:21:02 AM »
I like it! I bet a couple of P80 fuselages would work well for that.
Ahem, P-80 Shooting Stars are not Mustang at all, while P-82 = P-51Z somehow. But a floatplane P-82 may have jets like a couple of P-80 (thanks!):

Offline kitnut617

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2017, 03:06:12 AM »
I like it! I bet a couple of P80 fuselages would work well for that.
Ahem, P-80 Shooting Stars are not Mustang at all, while P-82 = P-51Z somehow. But a floatplane P-82 may have jets like a couple of P-80 (thanks!):

Tophe, you'll need some really, really big floats for a F-82 floatplane. The max T.O.W. for a F-82 is almost the same as a DC-3 (F-82 = 25,591 lbs, DC-3 = 25,199 lbs)and here's a pic of a DC-3 with floats (it was real world too with one still surviving today)

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2017, 01:01:25 PM »
Thanks for the idea. While... the words seem all wrong to me, even if English is not my mother language: ??? :(

Tophe, you'll need some really, really big floats for a F-82 floatplane. The max T.O.W. for a F-82 is almost the same as a DC-3 (F-82 = 25,591 lbs, DC-3 = 25,199 lbs)and here's a pic of a DC-3 with floats (it was real world too with one still surviving today)

No:
- I "will need" nothing because I am not an engineer, endangering the life of pilots, I am a dreamer, "could" should replace "will";
- "really really/real world" is not my focus at all, I prefer dreams;
- the weight of my P-82 is not above 25,000lbs but below 1lbs, this is not a huge machine, this is a little paper/screen-picture (or maybe a plastic toy someday).
Thanks anyway... ;)

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2017, 02:08:51 PM »
What if you add inverted gull wings to the second version?

This has been a whole process: XKE-38, YKE-38, KE-38A (thanks!):

Offline Tophe

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2017, 04:23:00 PM »
Illustrating your ideas was pleasant, thanks again, while, uh... I feel I need to invent myself also. So here are 2 other P-38 seaplane derivatives:

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2017, 12:49:16 AM »
Add maybe Arado 196 floats to the bottom?
Uh? What is the relation between a P-38 and an Ar-196? Here it is!:

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2017, 12:58:17 AM »
No:
- I "will need" nothing because I am not an engineer, endangering the life of pilots, I am a dreamer, "could" should replace "will";
- "really really/real world" is not my focus at all, I prefer dreams;
- the weight of my P-82 is not above 25,000lbs but below 1lbs, this is not a huge machine, this is a little paper/screen-picture (or maybe a plastic toy someday).
Thanks anyway... ;)


 ;D ;D ;D

Offline Tophe

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2017, 12:47:13 PM »
Here is the Acreelidated PBY82 Catalistang (thanks!):
This Catalistang is different: Wuzakidated PBY83, from an idea on the other forum.

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2017, 01:18:10 PM »
Tophe,

You misunderstood what i was saying.  I meant merely an interpretation of what you had already done, like this:
Slide1 by cacree, on Flickr

I was merely musing about the possibility of creating it in plastic.  If you don't mind, I might make a better profile version when I find more time...

Chuck

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Re: P-38 & 51 new seaplanes
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2017, 09:23:40 PM »
Ooooh,  but those last two are niiiice!  :-*
Cheers,
Moritz

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