Author Topic: Sd.Kfz. 234/5  (Read 7008 times)

Offline Claymore

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2016, 06:42:57 AM »
But didn't the 234/5 have six stud wheels not five? ;)

Now don't start that again!! >:D

Doh!  :o
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Offline Claymore

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2016, 08:25:32 PM »
Sd.Kfz. 234/5 Mammut (Mammoth) Update

A minor advance on the build front but a major rethink on where it is going and a good example of where sometimes a great idea in 2D doesn't match expectations in 3D.

My original idea was to have the sides of the crew compartment of the Mammoth boxed in for extra vehicular storage.  However, when it came to doing the business it just didn't feel right and made the vehicle look too much like an 8-wheeled shoe box and had entirely lost the feel of either the Sd.Kfz. 234 or the Sd.Kfz 251. 

So, in homage to both contributory vehicles, I am going to go with my original design layout which emphasises both the characteristic angular fenders of the Sd.Kfz. 234 and the angled sides of the Sd.Kfz. 251.  The end result will also give me a good surface for mounting the various pioneer tools, jacks and ubiquitous jerrycans.

« Last Edit: October 24, 2016, 12:31:11 AM by Claymore »
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Offline Weaver

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2016, 10:57:42 PM »
Might I suggest an alternative? Keep the horizontal top edge of the new-style mudguard (which makes logical sense) but cut the back edge along the same line as the original back edge, i.e. sloping forwards at quite a steep angle. This way you still get the original visual effect of the V-shaped hull protruding from the rear.

It's hard to explain, so I've done a quick Paint job on your second image:


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Offline Claymore

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2016, 11:45:52 PM »
Mate, that is an awesome job (what prog did you use?).  In the end, however, it only convinces me more that the original fender lines are what I want to go with. 

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Offline Weaver

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2016, 01:34:01 AM »
Mate, that is an awesome job (what prog did you use?).  In the end, however, it only convinces me more that the original fender lines are what I want to go with.

LMAO - it's Paint: the simple system that comes with every PC. The only reason it looks good is because the pic's small: if you blew it up to full size then believe me, the cracks would show in full effect.
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Offline Claymore

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2016, 01:46:43 AM »
LMAO - it's Paint: the simple system that comes with every PC. The only reason it looks good is because the pic's small: if you blew it up to full size then believe me, the cracks would show in full effect.

Really?  I use Paint a lot for my line drawings but have never really tried it on manipulating photographs.  Even though it is small scale the effect of your work is very good.  I will have to experiment for myself...  ;)
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Offline Weaver

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2016, 07:46:40 AM »
It's a slow and painstaking PITA to be honest, but I've learnt some techniques with it and I don't do stuff like this often enough to make it worth crawling up the learning curve of a better program.

The trick with photographs is copying the textures used for shaded colours. Paint has no facility to copy an area of colour, just the individual pixel that you click on, so the only way to copy shaded colours that are made of loads of different coloured pixels is to copy and paste an area of it. Use the irregular area copy tool and then flip it different ways when you paste it to avoid repetetive patterns. Then copy and paste some of what you've already done to mix it up even more. Extending shading into narrow areas is a paint but you can do it.

The other thing is to be methodical and copy EVERYTHING before you change it. Paint has no layers or masks like Photoshop, so once you drop Image A onto Image B, Image B is changed forever unless you've got a backup copy.
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Offline Claymore

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2016, 02:19:50 PM »
Thanks mate, much appreciated.  :)
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Offline buzzbomb

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2016, 03:31:13 PM »
Wow Weaver that is nice work


Offline LemonJello

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2016, 09:18:19 PM »
Looking at the latest photos, the first version with the extended mud guards/sponsons looks good, but a more generic AFV - it could be any nationality, while the second version has a much more German AFV feel to it.

I don't know if that's what you're going for, but that's the impression that I get from looking at the pics.

Either way, it's still an awesome project. 

Offline Claymore

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2016, 03:55:36 AM »
I think you are absolutely right and it is indeed the German look I am after...
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Offline kerick

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2016, 10:04:52 AM »
I would stick with pic 2 also. Much more German look as stated.

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2016, 03:51:44 PM »
"This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and, ah, explode."

Offline Claymore

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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2016, 09:48:37 PM »
Sd.Kfz. 234/5 Mammut (Mammoth) Update

All spruced up in her undercoat.  Hopefully, I will get both entries finished this weekend.



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Re: Sd.Kfz. 234/5
« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2016, 10:41:05 PM »
Looking good! :)

Got a scheme sorted? ???
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