Author Topic: M3 Stonewall FSV  (Read 8269 times)

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2016, 07:56:05 PM »
The loader is the guy busting his hump - feeding two guns at a time all by his lonesome.

This is coming along smashingly. 

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2016, 10:52:55 PM »
The loader is the guy busting his hump - feeding two guns at a time all by his lonesome.

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2016, 06:57:18 AM »
Interesting looking. :D
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2016, 09:01:57 AM »
The loader is the guy busting his hump - feeding two guns at a time all by his lonesome.

This is coming along smashingly.

Why? The M3 had a crew of 6 (Grant) or 7 (Lee) which means you should have space for a driver, 2 gunners, 2 loaders & a commander (6-man crew).

However, as you're losing a bit of space to the second 75mm gun, slave the guns & make the gunner the commander (it's fire-support, after all, the infantry can give them the targets) & that gives you driver, gunner & 2 loaders, with the option of a commander if you feel the need. Thus either a 4-man or 5-man crew.

Simples! :)
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2016, 10:20:12 AM »
And put another turret on top!   ;D :)

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2016, 11:05:14 AM »
While I get the WHIF concept there's just a couple of things that defy 'logic' or need addressing:
1.  with 2 guns now you'll also have to increase your munitions storage, by a decent quantity if operating in the Fire Support role,
2.  with such limited traverse , the fire support role would be questionable at best if the guns are slaved.
One possible solution could be to move the driver forward into a reclined position which would free up valuable space - transferring the drive sprockets to the rear would assist (even more frontal space) and allow for dedicated gunner/loaders for each weapon.
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2016, 04:47:20 PM »
Maybe add a trailer for the extra mention storage?
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2016, 07:46:40 PM »

Why? The M3 had a crew of 6 (Grant) or 7 (Lee) which means you should have space for a driver, 2 gunners, 2 loaders & a commander (6-man crew).

However, as you're losing a bit of space to the second 75mm gun, slave the guns & make the gunner the commander (it's fire-support, after all, the infantry can give them the targets) & that gives you driver, gunner & 2 loaders, with the option of a commander if you feel the need. Thus either a 4-man or 5-man crew.

Simples! :)

I like that solution, much better than the USMC's seemingly unspoken SOP of "work harder, not smarter."

Reducing crew size also frees up space for ammo within the hull, though a trailer or companion ammo carrier track would work in the fire support mission.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2016, 07:48:20 PM by LemonJello »

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2016, 05:23:46 AM »
Whilst all of this discussion is great, I think some folks are over thinking things. 

From my point of view, I am a great believer in keeping things as true to life as possible - I think this makes for more realistic and believable whiffs.  If we can learn anything from the history of AFVs, it is that history is fully of vehicles that were far from perfect.  Indeed the M3 itself is a prime example of a tank whose severe imitations were well known even at the time of its introduction into service and yet enter service it did.  Consequently, I am building my whiff in the sure and happy knowledge that its design is fraught with technical and tactical limitations.  In other words, no slaved gun controls, limited traverse for said guns, a six-man crew (full marks to the elder Wombat) and a probable ammunition load-out that is not ideal.

In the end, this model will depict a whiff AFV and there is absolutely no law that says whiffs have to always represent AFV that were perfect in every way.  Come to think of it, name me an AFV, any AFV, that is.  ;)
« Last Edit: October 06, 2016, 02:07:12 PM by Claymore »
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2016, 07:49:31 AM »
<...> If we can learn anything from the history of AFV, it is that history is fully of vehicles that were far from perfect. <...>
<...> there is absolutely no law that says whiffs have to always represent AFV that were perfect in every way.  Come to think of it, name me an AFV, any AFV, that is.  ;)

Very good points!  :)
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2016, 05:23:36 AM »
M3 Stonewall FSV Update

One or two more pics before the undercoat goes on to pull things together...





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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2016, 05:41:50 AM »
Coming together rather fast.  Hope the painting goes just as well for this project.  Will it be desert camouflage? 
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2016, 05:45:39 AM »
Can't wait to see it finished and then sitting beside his other tank buddies as the next IPMS event along with the M3s boasting "I have two 75mms and you have only one!!!"  ;D
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2016, 05:53:15 AM »
"I have two 75mms and you have only one!!!"  ;D
Main gun envy? :)
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2016, 08:41:50 AM »
In the end, this model will depict a whiff AFV and there is absolutely no law that says whiffs have to always represent AFV that were perfect in every way.  Come to think of it, name me an AFV, any AFV, that is.  ;)

Here, here! I always think it's a mistake to fall into the trap of thinking that your whiffs have to improve on reality. They don't: the most credible alternative histories aren't the perfect ones, they're the ones where people make interestingly different mistakes.
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