Author Topic: M3 Stonewall FSV  (Read 7528 times)

Offline kerick

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2016, 02:18:23 AM »
Interesting! :D

How'd you do the left sponson? A few judicious cuts & flip the Lee's sponson by the look of it. You putting a .30cal or two on top? ???

I wouldn't want to be the left-side gunner, squished up against the hull side like that, though. :icon_crap:

Pretty much as you figured - a lot of cutting and flipping upside down and yes 50s or 30s up top!!

You are absolutely right re the gunner in the left-side sponson.  As you can see from my original concept art the gunner would be on the inside but there was no easy way or reversing that particular part.  Now that you have spotted the issue, I am going to have to do something about it... Bugger!  :( ;)

Can you separate the top of the left sponson and then rotate it counter clockwise?

This really looks good! It will certainly give rivet counters something to do!

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2016, 02:58:07 AM »
Can you separate the top of the left sponson and then rotate it counter clockwise?

This really looks good! It will certainly give rivet counters something to do!

Not easily, but then again nothing truly worth doing is ever easy...  :icon_meditation:
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2016, 03:56:21 AM »
Dang! Cutting out the top of the sponson is not an option.  The plastic is about 2.5mm thick and as tough as old boots; having very nearly sliced the top of my thumb off, it's just not worth the risk!

On to Plan B then  - remove the current top detail and rebuild it anew in the right place...  :(
« Last Edit: October 03, 2016, 04:29:37 AM by Claymore »
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2016, 04:54:32 AM »
Looking good and with that minor issue of the left gunner's position becoming an obstacle, is there a chance to modify both casemate guns so that they share common features?  Not suggesting a complete makeover but maybe a simplification of the the features that comprise the gun and how it is mounted so you can achieve that mirror image with the left gunner being positioned inside instead of next to the outside wall.  That way you would have the uniformity of a mas production weapons system plus symmetry. 
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2016, 06:01:59 AM »
Regarding what Jeff said.  Could sand both sides clean.  Glue similar looking pieces on in mirror image.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2016, 06:09:44 AM by finsrin »

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2016, 06:27:55 AM »
Think I am still going to go with leaving the right sponsor top detail as is and rebuild the left to represent the gunner being on the inside. I don't think that major gun redesign would be needed as the arrangement would be not unlike the side sponsor guns in the WW1 Mk IV, etc.  Anyway it would be a shame to lose the aiming periscopes which naturally sit in the right place.
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2016, 07:21:20 AM »
Think I am still going to go with leaving the right sponsor top detail as is and rebuild the left to represent the gunner being on the inside. I don't think that major gun redesign would be needed as the arrangement would be not unlike the side sponsor guns in the WW1 Mk IV, etc.  Anyway it would be a shame to lose the aiming periscopes which naturally sit in the right place.

Funny you should mention the WW1 Mk4 tank as I was thinking of that vehicle when I first saw your WIP images and how it reminded me of a WW1 style tank such as the MkIV :)

Hmmmm, MkIV tank with Grant or Lee features might be another interesting diversion. 
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Offline finsrin

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2016, 08:26:20 AM »
Gun redesign on inside of tank is not an issue because we see only the outside.

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2016, 10:21:10 AM »
You will need to change the aiming periscope on the top of the left hand gun position to mirror image the right hand one.  The reason why the original M3 Medium had a gun on the right hand side was because the gunner was seated on the gun's left hand side in real life.   There is no room in your vehicle for the gunner to be seated there so they'd have to put him on the right hand side of the gun, where the driver is seated.

Offline kerick

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2016, 11:13:58 AM »
Just have one gunner aiming both guns. He would be a busy fellow.

Offline Claymore

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2016, 02:19:00 PM »
You will need to change the aiming periscope on the top of the left hand gun position to mirror image the right hand one.  The reason why the original M3 Medium had a gun on the right hand side was because the gunner was seated on the gun's left hand side in real life.   There is no room in your vehicle for the gunner to be seated there so they'd have to put him on the right hand side of the gun, where the driver is seated.

Quite so, see above discussion.  :)
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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2016, 03:27:52 PM »
This build is so inspiring its got me figuring a scaleorama of Testors 1/32 M3 into 1/72 monster.
Pretty much figured out how to 1/72ise it.
Thanks for the inspiration.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2016, 03:27:24 AM by finsrin »

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2016, 03:11:18 AM »
Go for it!  :)
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Offline kerick

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2016, 03:19:15 AM »
Sounds like a land battleship! Or at least a cruiser....
Can't wait to see a thread for this!

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Re: M3 Stonewall FSV
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2016, 08:27:31 AM »
Presumably you now have another Grant hull that's been de-sponsoned: I wonder what you could do with that eh?  ;)

Just have one gunner aiming both guns. He would be a busy fellow.

Not as busy as all that if both guns were mechanically slaved to the sighting station for the RH gun. After all, what exactly is the point of having two identical calibre guns if not to put two shells into the same target?
« Last Edit: October 04, 2016, 08:29:53 AM by Weaver »
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