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Offline Old Wombat

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #975 on: May 27, 2026, 03:35:03 PM »
Very nicely constructed & the camo scheme is the bees knees!  :smiley: :smiley: 8)

Quite the impressive technical write-up. too!  :))
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #976 on: May 27, 2026, 04:33:33 PM »
Very nicely constructed & the camo scheme is the bees knees!  :smiley: :smiley: 8)

Quite the impressive technical write-up. too!  :))

Thanks mate. Something a little different…

As for the technicalities, getting those right seems to be becoming a bit of an obsession - OCD rules… but only if that rule is completely, 100% straight!  ;D
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #977 on: May 28, 2026, 06:46:57 AM »
As for the application - nothing more complicated than a fine hairy stick, a relatively steady hand and the Mk 1 eyeball.  The shape of the model and the effect I was after made it just too complex to use masking tape…

Now we move to... :icon_alabanza:

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #978 on: May 28, 2026, 09:32:26 PM »
 ;D
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #979 on: May 29, 2026, 06:41:36 AM »
 A splendid end to a nifty project! I can only echo what everybody else has  said about the paint job-it's terrific. Cults3d sounds like it has some interesting prints.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #980 on: May 29, 2026, 04:38:47 PM »
A splendid end to a nifty project! I can only echo what everybody else has  said about the paint job-it's terrific. Cults3d sounds like it has some interesting prints.

Thanks Doc.  Like all of these site, there are some real gems hidden amongst a mountain of rubbish.
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #981 on: May 30, 2026, 02:26:44 AM »
As promised…

Saladin R (FV608 Scarab)   Link to build:  https://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=11717.0

During the 1960s the UK began work on what was then called the Armoured Vehicle Reconnaissance.  The project called for a series of light, fast and highly mobile tracked vehicles that would replace the British Army’s current fleet of wheeled armoured cars in the reconnaissance and spearhead roles.  Introduced into service in the early to mid-1970s, the FV 100 series of Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance (Tracked) (CVR(T)) in the form of the 76mm armed Scorpion, 30mm armed Scimitar, Swingfire missile armed Striker, Spartan APC, Sultan CPV, Samaritan ambulance and Samson ARV proved to be hugely successful both with the British Army and export sales.

At much the same time as the CVT(T) program was being developed for the Regular Army, a somewhat less ambitious program was also being considered for the Territorial Army (TA).  Intended to support the defence of the UK mainland and the transit corridor to and from the British Army of the Rhine (BAOR) a wheeled vehicle was deemed more appropriate and spawned the CVR(W) project.

Leyland Motors, which then included Jaguar/Daimler and Alvis were given the task of designing and building the first CVR(W) prototypes.  Both Daimler and Alvis had considerable experience in the field of armoured cars having produced the Ferret series of scouts and the Saladin armoured car respectively.  However, given the secondary role of the CVR(W), inevitable cost constraints and a degree of political infighting culminated in a number of design compromises that adversely affected the end product.  The Fox, as the new vehicle was to be called, used an adapted gearbox and drive train from the earlier, lighter Daimler Ferret which, already at the limits of its potential, resulted in frequent failures when connected to the heavier and faster new vehicle.  For commonality and given that Alvis were already producing the CVR(T) series, it was dictated that the Fox would also carry what was, essentially, a slightly modified Scimitar 30mm turret.  This is not what Daimler had initially intended and resulted in a dangerously high centre of gravity making the vehicle prone to roll overs during high-speed cornering.

The Fox’s acceptance trials did not go well with two vehicles rolling and all of the others breaking down at one time or another.  Although minor adjustments were undertaken the critical limitations were so severe that only a major redesign could save the project.  However, in the stringent financial climate of the early 1970s, that was never going to be an option and so Fox, and the potential of a FV720 series, died there and then.

Fortuitously, at the twelfth hour, Alvis stepped up and proposed a low-cost alternative CVR(W) that would, potentially, both provided the TA with the capability they needed whilst also keeping the government’s budgeteers happy.

The alternative CVR(W) proposal would see the Regular Army’s Saladin armoured cars, currently in the process of being replaced by CVR(T), returned to Alvis for a mechanical overhaul. This would include the upgrading of the engine to the B81 Mk 8B model, as fitted to the Stalwart, and the replacement of their 76mm turrets with the new 30mm turret already designed, tooled and produced for the cancelled Fox program.  The transformation capitalised on the mechanical reliability and ease of maintenance of the Saladin with the lower profile of the new turret whilst also replacing the worn out 76mm L5A1 guns with the more appropriate and modern 30mm L21 RARDEN cannon already entering service with the CVR(T) Scimitar.   

Intended as a stop gap until the universal deployment of CVR(T) throughout the British Army, the FV601 Saladin R, as it was initially designated, entered service in 1975 as the FV608 Scarab.  Within the TA, four yeomanry regiments and two independent squadrons eventually converted to the Scarab in the armoured reconnaissance role:

•   Queen’s Own Yeomanry (5 x Squadrons) - 15th TA Bde, 2 UK Infantry Division in support of BAOR.
•   The Royal Yeomanry (5 x Squadrons) - 49th TA Bde, 2 UK Infantry Division in support of BAOR.
•   The Duke of Lancaster’s Own Yeomanry (4 x Squadrons) - 2 Inf Bde, Home Defence
•   The Scottish Yeomanry (4 x Squadrons) - 1 Bn, 51 (Highland) Inf Bde in support of 4 Arm Div, BAOR, and Home Defence.
•   The Wessex Yeomanry (Independent Squadron) - 19th Inf Bde, 4 Arm Div, BAOR.
•   The Northumbrian Hussars (Independent Squadron) - 1st Inf Bde, NATO AMF.

The yeomanry regiments comprised of 4-5 squadrons each of 12 x Scarab, 4 x Ferret Mk 5 (Swingfire), and 4 x Saracen APC split between 4 x troops, and a squadron HQ of 1 x Saracen CPV, 1 x Ferret Mk 4 and 1 x Saracen ambulance.  The independent squadrons comprised 24 x Scarab and 21 x Ferret Mk 4 split between 3 x troops and a squadron HQ of 1 x Saracen CPV, 1 x Ferret Mk 4 and 1 x Saracen ambulance.

In the mid-1980s, the Saracen APCs, Saracen CPVs and Saracen ambulances were replaced by Spartan APCs, Sultan CPVs and Samaritan ambulances respectively.  Although only ever intended as a stop gap, the FV608 Scarab remained in service until finally retired in 1993.  Its longevity, testament to its rugged, practical design and the realities of overseas sales of CVR(T) taking priority over the needs of the TA.  It is possible that the Scarab may have served longer were it not for the end of the Cold War and the subsequent peace dividends that slashed the size of the British Army.

FV608 Scarab

In Service:    1975-1993         
Mass:           11.4T
Length:         Hull - 4.9 m, with turret forward - 6.1 m
Width:          2.54m
Height:         2.23m
Crew:           3
Main
armament:   30mm L21 RARDEN cannon
Secondary
armament:   Co-axial 7.62mm L37A2 machine gun
Engine:        Rolls-Royce B81 Mk 8B, 8-cylinder, 6.5ltr, petrol – 220hp (164kW)
Speed:         50mph (80km/h)
Range:         250mls (400km)

The model depicts the Troop Sergeant’s Scarab of 2 Troop, B Squadron, The Scottish Yeomanry in support of 1st Bn, 51 (Highland) Inf Bde during Ex LIONHEART 84.  Construction is from a combination of three different scaled and reworked Cult3d.com prints, some spare parts from a Tamiya Warrior MICV, some plastic card, some carbon fibre rod, an old paperclip and some home-grown decals.














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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #982 on: May 30, 2026, 07:19:44 AM »
Thats nice 

Because my superlative bucket for your builds is empty. ;D


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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #983 on: May 30, 2026, 10:44:35 PM »
Thats nice 

Because my superlative bucket for your builds is empty. ;D

Seconded!  :icon_alabanza:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #984 on: May 31, 2026, 06:05:55 AM »
Seconded!  :icon_alabanza:

Thirded! Excellent build and a thoroughly believable back-story. Maybe more of a shoulda-been than a what-if?
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Offline Claymore

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #985 on: June 01, 2026, 01:53:19 AM »
Thanks guys, the slipways are now clear for the Scarab’s companions in crime - first the Ferret Mk5 Swingfire and then the Saracen…
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Offline Claymore

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #986 on: June 02, 2026, 03:51:50 AM »
Ferret Mk5 Swingfire:

...and so, as promised, the first of the companions to my Saladin R (FV608 Scarab) - the Ferret Mk5 Swingfire.  Straight off the bat, this is not really a whiff as the Ferret Mk5 Swingfire was an actual real-world thing although it only remained in service for a few years.  However, the setting, alongside the Scarab, will be entirely AH. The Mk5 was based on the 'Big Wheel' chassis of the late-era Ferret Mk4 and therefore, being that there aren't any such models available, will necessitate a fairly hefty reconstruction of an earlier Mk2.  I know this is possible as some of the early Ferret Mk4s were indeed upgrades of earlier Mk2s. 

So stand forward this wee beastie...


Pass the razor saw and let the fun begin...


New stub axles for the bigger wheels...


Enter the groovy beach buggy - yeh baby!!


Oh, and the groovy beach buggy carrying two heavy bags of shopping...

« Last Edit: June 02, 2026, 04:51:07 AM by Claymore »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #987 on: June 02, 2026, 06:14:22 AM »
Updated SOD  :D   That is Sawn off Daimler to name the TLA.. err Three Letter Acronym  ;D

Well so far, very interesting. What source where the wheels ?

Offline Claymore

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #988 on: June 02, 2026, 06:53:14 AM »
Well so far, very interesting. What source were the wheels ?

The wheels are from the Saladin files but resized in width and a fraction in diameter.  Both the Saladin and the big-wheel Ferrets ran on 20” rims but the Saladin’s were deeper to take wider tyres to distribute the greater weight (plus there were 6 of them of course).  The wheels were just over 1mm out in diameter so the rescaling hasn’t had any noticeable/critical effect on the rim sizes.  The central hubs were wrong so got chopped off and replaced with the ones from the original kit which were a perfect match.
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Offline Old Wombat

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #989 on: June 02, 2026, 03:52:01 PM »


Again!  ;)
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Offline Claymore

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #990 on: June 02, 2026, 09:53:01 PM »
Pass the razor saw, there is work to be done!

Offline Claymore

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #991 on: June 02, 2026, 09:57:32 PM »
Ferret Mk5 Swingfire Update:

A little more with the wee beastie filling out nicely.  Some fairings to the side stowage boxes, extensions to the suspension struts and some new fenders sitting in position but not yet glued. So far so good but much still to do!




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Offline Claymore

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #992 on: Today at 03:18:36 AM »
Ferret Mk5 Swingfire Update:

A bit more designing, printing, trial fitting, redesigning and reprinting and I am slowly getting there. The basics of the fording screen is now in place and its about time to move onto the turret and missile containers. Interestingly, with the basic MG turret plonked in place the result is pretty much a Ferret Mk4. So, essentially, I have converted a Mk2 to a Mk4 and will then progress to the Mk5! Much still to do...








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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #993 on: Today at 04:56:44 AM »
Oh that is nice design work.

So to confirm, all this is printed by an FDM printer, not a resin printer ? I can just see the build lines, so the printing is top notch as well, you must really have tweaked the settings.
Ditch that pesky green stuff in the middle and you have a full kit.


Offline Claymore

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #994 on: Today at 06:19:41 AM »
Oh that is nice design work.

So to confirm, all this is printed by an FDM printer, not a resin printer ? I can just see the build lines, so the printing is top notch as well, you must really have tweaked the settings.
Ditch that pesky green stuff in the middle and you have a full kit.

Many thanks.  :smiley:

Yup, just a very basic, no nonsense Creality K1 FDM printer.  It’s my first 3D printer and I didn’t want to spend too much on something I might not have used/understood - so went for an introductory model which seemed to get a reasonably good write up.  The settings are mostly defaults (as I really have no idea what most of the terms and options mean) but are set (I think) for a compromise between speed of printing and finish quality.  The CAD program I’m using is Tinkercard, a free online high school introductory affair which is very basic but just about my level! If you know of something better which doesn’t require a doctorate in computing to use, I’m all ears.   ;)
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #995 on: Today at 06:41:14 AM »
Oh that is nice design work.

So to confirm, all this is printed by an FDM printer, not a resin printer ? I can just see the build lines, so the printing is top notch as well, you must really have tweaked the settings.
Ditch that pesky green stuff in the middle and you have a full kit.

Many thanks.  :smiley:

Yup, just a very basic, no nonsense Creality K1 FDM printer.  It’s my first 3D printer and I didn’t want to spend too much on something I might not have used/understood - so went for an introductory model which seemed to get a reasonably good write up.  The settings are mostly defaults (as I really have no idea what most of the terms and options mean) but are set (I think) for a compromise between speed of printing and finish quality.  The CAD program I’m using is Tinkercard, a free online high school introductory affair which is very basic but just about my level! If you know of something better which doesn’t require a doctorate in computing to use, I’m all ears.   ;)

You have outpaced me with design. My experience with perhaps an earlier Tinkercad or similar led me to figure if I have to use CAD software to create something, I don't need it. I am running an Elegoo Neptune 4 Pro, with 2500 settings which like you.. I hardly tinker with outside of setting the Filament type and maybe some infill and flipping between Fast, Normal and Fine print speeds. For design these days, as above if I cannot do it in Microsoft 3D builder, it is not done my me... so  :icon_alabanza:

With demise of Accurate Armour, this mod will fill a gap unless Airfix goes on to further develop the kit.. which now you have done this amount of work, is almost inevitable  ;D

Really looking forward to the end result here.