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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #875 on: June 29, 2025, 03:39:43 PM »
Whatever path you take.. pretty sure it will work. The model under primer really works.

Expected high level of build and finish on display again  :smiley:

No pressure then!   :o
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #876 on: June 29, 2025, 03:55:07 PM »
This is my take on Ukrainian digi-cam;

<snip>

This was done using paper masks cut out of 5mmx5mm graph paper.

A really dedicated person would have transferred those masks onto tape, I just damped it down, let it dry & sprayed (hence the less-than-perfect edges) & claim it's "field applied". ;)

I remember that build and being mightily impressed by the digi-cam effect.  While not impossible to apply something similar to the complex shape of the Ulan, I think I will stick to the Polish 2014 modification of the standard NATO scheme.


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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #877 on: June 29, 2025, 04:25:06 PM »
 :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #878 on: September 07, 2025, 05:43:39 PM »
🇺🇦 Ukrainian S-200C Ulan (Lancer) 🇺🇦 Update:

Well, it has been a very long time coming but here we are at last...

Fact:
When the Soviet Union broke apart in 1991, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence inherited 13, and perhaps as many as 16, S-200, long-range, air defence batteries along with a multitude of other conventional and nuclear weapon systems. Indeed, overnight, Ukraine found itself as the world’s third largest nuclear power.

In 1994, under the terms of the Budapest Memorandum, Ukraine transferred its inherited Soviet nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for security assurances and economic aid from Russia, the US and UK.

In response to its military and economic situation, and the difficulty in maintaining an aging, 1960s piece of technology, the number of active S-200 batteries had dropped to 4 by 2010 and eventually, in 2013, the system was phased out entirely.

At much the same time, and for much the same reason, Ukraine also phased out its Scud missile arsenal between 2010-11, with the dismantling of approximately 200 9K72 Scud missiles being a joint project with the US.

Consequently, when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and then launched a full-scale invasion in 2022, Ukraine found itself with no Operational or Strategic level weapon systems, no tactical ballistic missiles and no long-range air defence.

However, unlike their Scud missiles which had been physically dismantled, the canny Ukrainians had kept their remaining S-200 batteries in storage along with an undisclosed number of missiles. When war broke out, every effort was made to bring the 4 batteries back into active service – a process that was aided by their friends and neighbours – Poland supplied a full battery with at least 20 upgraded missiles and Bulgaria supplied an undisclosed number of missiles. In January 2024, the audacious Ukrainians used their S-200 systems to engage and destroy a Russian A-50U long-range radar aircraft and to seriously damage an Il-22 command and control aircraft. The following month, a second A-50 was engaged and also destroyed and, in April of that year, a Tu-22M long-range bomber was shot down at the very impressive range of 300Km.

Ever resourceful, the Ukrainian MoD also looked towards its aging S-200 arsenal to make up for the lack of a tactical-range, ground-to-ground missile system. After all, if the S-200 missile could engage and destroy a moving target at 300Km, then the same missile if fired ballistically might reasonably achieve a range of 600-800Km.

A fortunate side effect of the S-200’s age was that it was built big (at 7,018Kg [15,472lb] it is not small) to accommodate the necessary 1960s radar and guidance technology and a sizeable warhead. With the ground attack role not requiring much of the missile’s specialised AD capability, all of the redundant gubbins could be stripped out and a smaller GPS guidance system and larger HE blast warhead installed. Furthermore, with no need to track and illuminate the target with the large Square Pair radar, ground attack missions could be undertaken with a welcomed degree of surprise. Whilst much still remains classified, it would seem that the S-200 has been used in the ground-to-ground role to attack targets in Russia’s Bryansk Oblast, Crimea and even the Kerch bridge. Although the Kerch bridge attack proved unsuccessful, so concerned were the Russians that they closed it to all traffic for over a week.

Fiction:
In conceiving this build project, I had initially wanted to make a mobile version of the S-200 in its air defence role in order to free up the Ukrainians from the limitations of the fixed nature of the large system. However, that very size became my undoing – the missile is big (10.764m [35.315ft]) and, as previously mentioned, a tad over 7 tons in weight – consequently, its launcher turntable is also big and the whole thing proved impossible to realistically mount on a MAZ-543 prime mover – what I had to hand. Of course, whilst a mobile version of the S-200 would be huge, it would pale into insignificance when compared to vehicle needed to carry the 30-ton Square Pair target tracking and illumination radar!

Plan B then evolved into the far more realistic S-200C Ulan (Lancer). The S-200 in its GPS-guided, ground attack role has proved to be extremely accurate and, with a range (classified) but likely in the 600-800km ballpark, extremely capable. Indeed, its only significant limitation is that it currently fires from the same fixed sites that the air defence variant operates from or at best an improvised launch site that likely takes days, if not weeks, to build and collapse. A mobile Transporter, Erector and Launcher (TEL) would dramatically increase the tactical usage of the missile’s impressive ground-to-ground capabilities allowing the launch to take place closer to the front lines in order to maximise the missile’s range whilst also allowing the TEL to shoot and scoot with minimal change of counter battery reprisals.

With the demise of Ukraine’s Scud systems in their entirety, I envisaged Poland being intimately involved in the Ulan project – essentially, building the TEL from their own stocks of MAZ-543 trucks and retired S-200 launchers. With no need for the Ulan to track potential targets, that element of the S-200 launcher was removed leaving only the launch rail elevation system. Four hydraulic stabilisers were added as even in its reduced ground-attack mode the S-200 is still big. With its GPS target information pre-loaded into the missile, the Ulan can infiltrate into its intended launch location, park up pointing in the general direction of the target, lower its stabilisers, lower the missile transport cradle, conduct its pre-launch checks, raise the launch rail, lower the umbilical, fire, lower the launch rail, raise the stabilisers and be exfiltrating the area before the hapless Russians know what the hell is happening. Hoorah!

The model depicts Ulan TEL ‘63’ of the Ukrainian Army’s 1st Battalion, 5th Surface to Surface Missile Brigade and comprises adapted parts from a Dragon Scud B model, a Trumpeter S-200 (SAM SA-5 ‘Gammon’) model, some self-designed 3D prints, a bucket load of plastic/styrene card, Hataka Modern Polish Army paints and some Star decals. Great fun but painting the whole thing with a hairy stick (at least3 coats) and attaching the almost 150 decals on the missile almost did for me!

References: Wikipedia, Defense Express, Forbes and Army Recognition

Transport configuration:











Pre-firing configuration:








Firing configuration:

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #879 on: September 07, 2025, 06:00:15 PM »
What an awesome beast! And the back story is excellent, too!  :smiley: :smiley: 8)

(I know I wrote something sort of similar a few days ago but, hey, I can usually barely remember what I did yesterday! :-\ )
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #880 on: September 07, 2025, 10:45:05 PM »
Thanks mate and, believe me, I know where you are coming from!! 😉
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #881 on: September 08, 2025, 12:49:18 AM »
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #882 on: September 08, 2025, 01:17:11 AM »
Awesome build and great backstory!

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #883 on: September 08, 2025, 03:19:01 AM »
Thanks chaps, much appreciated.  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #884 on: September 08, 2025, 06:12:10 AM »
Excellent build and brilliant 'imagineering'. I particularly like how you brought in the Poles and others.

As for your Ulan itself ... love it  :-*  Слава Україні !
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #885 on: September 08, 2025, 04:48:49 PM »
Thanks muchly!  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #886 on: October 27, 2025, 03:58:11 AM »
WW1 Sturmgeschütz:

When at a loss as to what project to move onto next I have, traditionally, defaulted to a bit of StuGgy goodness as a solid and trustworthy fallback - and so it seems that history is probably going to repeat itself once again. But just to give myself a bit of a challenge, I am going to go with a WW1 theme. I think I have a the necessary bits and pieces to hand but only time will tell.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #887 on: October 27, 2025, 06:25:17 AM »
Interesting ! something like this on the A7V chassis ?

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #888 on: October 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PM »
WW1 Sturmgeschütz:

When at a loss as to what project to move onto next I have, traditionally, defaulted to a bit of StuGgy goodness as a solid and trustworthy fallback - and so it seems that history is probably going to repeat itself once again. But just to give myself a bit of a challenge, I am going to go with a WW1 theme. I think I have a the necessary bits and pieces to hand but only time will tell.

Igor, pass the razor saw… 🧟

Be interested in the path taken. I have the Hobby Boss French Saint Chamond that I bought on a whim with "surely this is whiffing goodness in this" going through my head. Although for intents and purposes.. it is already a Stug type layout
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #889 on: October 27, 2025, 07:58:07 PM »
Interesting ! something like this on the A7V chassis ?

Nice but that’s really more of an SPG than a traditional StuG - although I appreciate that as a direct infantry support vehicle, an assault gun’s definition is fairly broad.
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #890 on: October 27, 2025, 08:09:39 PM »

Be interested in the path taken. I have the Hobby Boss French Saint Chamond that I bought on a whim with "surely this is whiffing goodness in this" going through my head. Although for intents and purposes.. it is already a Stug type layout

Yes, the St Chamond is already very StuG-like and, like you, I feel it has great whiffing potential.  However, this time round, I am going to stay traditionally German and will be playing with a design sort of based on an enlarged and heavily modified LK II hull mated to a standard 7.7cm FK96 n/A field gun.

The first problem I have already encountered is that the model of the field gun I was sure I had in my stash, turns out to be a figment of my imagination.  Damn, I hate it when that happens! No doubt it will turn up the very next day after I have scratch built a replacement - however, in the meantime, the devil has my old kit securely tucked away in his butt cheeks… 👹🙄
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #891 on: October 27, 2025, 08:47:22 PM »
however, in the meantime, the devil has my old kit securely tucked away in his butt cheeks… 👹🙄

Not a pleasant mental image!  :o  :-X

Still, I'll be watching!  :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #892 on: November 06, 2025, 05:00:24 AM »
Sturmkanone Update:

Well, this is going to be a bit of a complex tale as, much with reality, my first effort didn't turn out quite the way I wanted even though I tried to convince myself otherwise.  In keeping with German designations, I will call my first effort the Sturmkanone Ausf. A - here is the story so far as it played out on my thread on the althistory.com site...

Sturmkanone Ausf. A Update:

Well, here we are with the first WIP pics of, what I am calling, the Sturmkanone Ausf A. I settled on Sturmkanone (StuK) rather than Sturmgeschutz (StuG) as German field artillery pieces of the day were known as feldkanone (FK) so it seemed more logical to go with Sturmkanone. Anyhoo, as you can see the bulk of this wee beastie has been 3D printed from an upscaled and heavily modified LK II hull. The end result is a vehicle which is pretty much the same size as the British Whippet tank of the same era - same length, slightly narrower (central hull the same width) and overall lower. The central hull's width is predicated by the width of the 7.7cm FK96 n/A which it mounts - thus it is capable of fitting a crew member (driver and gunner) either side of the breach - the loader and commander are located towards the rear of the fighting compartment.

As an Assault gun, the StuK's primary mission is conducted at relatively short ranges and over open sights so there is not much need for a huge degree of lateral and vertical movement of the primary weapon. Having said that, the 7.7cm FK96 n/A has a 10 degree movement left and right and +/- 15 degree vertical movement.

More to follow...












Sturmkanone Ausf. A Update:

...and with the undercoat applied...










Long story short but one of my fellow Alt-historians had reservations about the width of my Sturmkanone Aus. A and even had the audacity to point out that impressively tiny Yugo car was wider - oh bollocks! Although I tried to manfully defend my corner, the obvious truth was that, unless the German army employed Oompa-Loompas, he was right - double bollocks!

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #893 on: November 06, 2025, 05:12:12 AM »
Sturmkanone Ausf. B Update:

When I looked into my first take on the Sturmkanone again, I found I was right in thinking the gun was out of whack scale-wise - I was foolish enough to assume the scale of the original 3D image was correct - not a huge difference but larger than it should have been.  I was also not every impressed with the quality of the 3D print and realised that I could have been more efficient in the overall build.

So I spent the most part of a day altering and scratch building things in my very basic CAD program (I am a self-confessed biff when it comes to these things) and set the 3D printer a printing!

The Ausf. B variant of the Sturmkanone is well on its way with the opportunity having been taken to re-model and update quite a few of the build components. The 7.7cm FK96 n/A gun has been correctly scaled, the gun mount (to fit the model and not representative of the actual pedestal mount) has been strengthened, the tracks widened and mud shoots added in the 3D design rather than after printing, and the main hull has been overhauled with lots of small adjustments and the crew compartment widened.









...and a little bit more. Next will be combining all of the sub-components and adding the various details - oh, and sorting the blemishes on the tracks!

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #894 on: November 06, 2025, 05:13:46 AM »
Sturmkanone Ausf. B Update:

So, the build (or should I say, rebuild) is pretty much there and I am much happier with the print quality. With a coat of primer next on the agenda, I will be heading towards the dubious fun of painting ...








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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #895 on: November 06, 2025, 05:16:22 AM »
I have decided that as the Sturnkanone Ausf. B was started after the start date of the Tankhunter GB, I am good to enter it as a contender.  However, as it is still part of my overall AH AFV collection, I will also continue to post updates here...
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #896 on: November 06, 2025, 09:04:32 AM »
Oh, I like that ! :smiley: :smiley:

Good work on the CAD side as well, that nails it.

Although I am somewhat deflated that we do not get to see your normal exceptional Scratchbuild processes, nonetheless.. .this works very, very well for me with what I thought you might have been after.

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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #897 on: November 06, 2025, 04:31:46 PM »
Oh, I like that ! :smiley: :smiley:

Good work on the CAD side as well, that nails it.

Although I am somewhat deflated that we do not get to see your normal exceptional Scratchbuild processes, nonetheless.. .this works very, very well for me with what I thought you might have been after.

Thanks mate.   :smiley:

I always like to do a bit of experimentation and was keen to see what possible routes I might be able to go down with my 3D printer and a very, very limited knowledge of CAD.  The 3D printer is definitely a different approach and can be hugely frustrating when things don’t go as planned but is great for complex shapes and multiple copies.  However, I don’t see it replacing good ol’ scratch building - well not in my hands anyway!
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #898 on: November 06, 2025, 05:02:51 PM »
However, I don’t see it replacing good ol’ scratch building - well not in my hands anyway!

Thank the Gods!  :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza:

OK, so I'm a die-hard fan of old fashioned scratch building (or scratch-bashing, in my case) & I need someone to give me something to aspire to!  :D ;) :smiley:
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Re: Claymore's AH AFVs: Take 2
« Reply #899 on: November 06, 2025, 06:36:18 PM »
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