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Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« on: December 15, 2015, 02:21:03 PM »
Unbuilt version with two 75mm recoilless guns and one 30mm Mk103:





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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2015, 02:52:34 AM »
Interesting.  I have never heard of this proposed version.
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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2016, 09:50:26 AM »
Can I add here Panzerkampfwagen III?


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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2016, 02:42:19 AM »
Go for it
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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2016, 04:06:28 AM »
^^^^^
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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2016, 11:17:41 AM »
Geschutzwagen IVb is derived from Panzer III, as indicated by wheels; or from Panzer IV as the name indicate?

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/98447.aspx?page=1

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2016, 12:06:02 PM »
It was based on the Panzer IV

Random idea: use turret on Panther to great Panther SPH
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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2016, 11:43:03 PM »
Geschutzwagen IVb is derived from Panzer III, as indicated by wheels; or from Panzer IV as the name indicate?

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/98447.aspx?page=1


It's PzKpfw IV, but with one fewer set of roadwheels on a shortened hull, so that's why you probably think it looks Pz III-like. Ironically, just having PzKpfw IV suspension units isn't enough to say that it's based on a Pz IV chassis. The Hummel and Nashorn, for instance, were based on a hybrid Pz III/IV chassis. It takes the driving and steering system from the Pz III and the suspension and engine from the Pz IV.

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2016, 05:44:51 AM »
Stug III with 88mm gun:

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2016, 09:20:25 AM »
How about instead of the Panther the Germans simply updated the Panzer IV with the required features, sloped hull armour (perhaps a common angle to the Jagdpanzer IV for standardisation purposes) and if the L70 is not possible maybe an intermediate similar to the British 77mm HV vs the 17pdr.  Improved suspension would also be good and maybe an improved trans and engine.

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2016, 03:46:54 AM »
How about instead of the Panther the Germans simply updated the Panzer IV with the required features, sloped hull armour (perhaps a common angle to the Jagdpanzer IV for standardisation purposes) and if the L70 is not possible maybe an intermediate similar to the British 77mm HV vs the 17pdr.  Improved suspension would also be good and maybe an improved trans and engine.


Maybe something akin to the Panzer IV Ausf. H Kruppvorschlag:


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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2016, 07:15:37 PM »
Yep.

Actually planning something similar with a Comet and maybe a Cromwell, sloped nose and bigger gun.

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2016, 07:43:04 PM »
Yep.

Actually planning something similar with a Comet and maybe a Cromwell, sloped nose and bigger gun.

I've done this, a long, long, long time ago.   You end up with something looking like a miniature Centurion.  Its one way of seeing the ancestry of the Centurion.

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2016, 10:22:15 PM »
Yep.

Actually planning something similar with a Comet and maybe a Cromwell, sloped nose and bigger gun.

I've done this, a long, long, long time ago.   You end up with something looking like a miniature Centurion.  Its one way of seeing the ancestry of the Centurion.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  The back story would be Australia, after license producing something else (maybe the Matilda Medium I've been rabbiting on about for ages) Australia decides they need a more modern replacement and select the A24/27 but are able to modify the design, as they had done with the Matilda to incorporate various improvements.

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2018, 07:14:06 AM »
StuG III '46

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2018, 01:34:31 PM »
Been doing a bit of research for an idea I had relating to the use of axis equipment captured in North Africa and the Middle East in South East Asia.  One of the ideas was captured STUG IIIs (as well as other vehicles) could have been shipped to Australia for refurbishment and employment in continental defence, freeing up many of the Stuarts, Grants and Lees (the later used only in Australia and mostly for training) for other Allies in theatres where they would actually see combat use.

The various marks of STUG obtained would initially be employed in an adhoc manner to flesh out newly formed armoured units but then as things settled down they would be cycled through base workshops and modified to a close to common standard, including regunning.  Thinking 6pdr and 75mm M-1 (or M-2/3) Pack Howitzer, or perhaps a 25pdr.  As a war emergency option it is not deployed outside Australia but is retained until replaced in the late 40s, early 50s, by an E10 derived 77mm TD. 

Maybe Panzer III tanks could also be supplied and modified with various ways, also being retained into the early 50s.

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2018, 06:08:59 PM »
The Norwegians used Panzer IIIs until the early-mid 1960s, left over from the German occupation during the war.  They replaced them with M24s, which they later upgraded with a 90mm low-pressure gun.   A clear case where the environment determined the size/weight of the vehicle that could be used.

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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2018, 01:37:44 AM »
Not great tanks but also available were the captured Italian M13/40 and M11/39 tanks operated by the Cavalry regiments in North Africa.
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Re: Panzerkampfwagen III & IV Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2018, 06:35:33 AM »
What about some Stugs in Israeli service?
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