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Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« on: January 26, 2015, 05:49:26 AM »
Hello all. Long time. Seems as if I have got my profiling mojo back [groans from audience]. Quiet you!

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2015, 08:00:32 AM »
Looking good! :)
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2015, 06:02:31 AM »
Thanks!

Ilyushin Il-31 Fissure-A:

Ilyushin Il-31 'Fissure-A' VVS by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2015, 09:18:38 AM »
Last two design/color combos favorites :)

Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2015, 01:44:47 AM »
Thanks!

Ilyushin Il-31M Fissure-C:

Ilyushin Il-31M 'Fissure-C' VVS by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 02:53:41 AM »
Great silhouettes! Like coming from nowhere but "could have been" anyway! :-*

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2015, 04:47:37 AM »
I really like the Ilyushin Il-31 - any more details?
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 02:14:08 AM »
Thanks!

I envisage the Il-31 as sort of a Su-7ised Il-28. Generally Ilyushin's answer to the Fitter family using an existing fuselage barrel for ease of production (in theory). So new 50-60ish degree sweep wings. New nose intake. Single engine in the fuselage replacing the bomb-bay. Something of the order of a Lyulka AL-7F which has similar smash to the Tumansky R-15 of MiG-25 fame - so supersonic performance via brute force rather than any finesse!

The Il-31M features revised intake geometry (principally auxiliary air inlets), uprated engine (AL-7M perhaps?) and a spine for better aerodynamics/more avionics.

I have a few export customers in mind and a plaything for the PVO coming up next. It may be interesting to speculate on an Ilyushin Fencer equivalent?? Maybe a Fencer-ised Il-54 with fuselage engines rather than podded in a revised aft fuselage. Sort of what the Il-102 was to the Il-40.

Sorry for the ramble.  ;)
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2015, 02:38:13 AM »
No need to apologise.  I like your innovation here :).  You had me confused a bit though as I was trying to work out which Ilyushin project design you had based your profile upon.
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2015, 05:52:38 AM »
Given the high performance of the Il-31, an interceptor variant for the PVO was almost inevitable. This was the Il-31P Fissure-D:

Ilyushin Il-31P 'Fissure-D' PVO by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

The Indian Air Force was the first export customer. Initially they received Il-31D Fissure-Bs, a downgraded variant with simplified avionics, intake geometry and a downrated engine. These proved unsatisfactory and later India received the Il-31MD variant which, while still not as potent as the Soviet's own Il-31M, was a considerable improvement. Here is an Indian Il-31D performing a somewhat colourful flypast after an exercise:

Ilyushin Il-31D 'Fissure-B' Indian AF by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr



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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2015, 03:15:18 PM »
Dear Empty Handed,
I like your planet very much. Did the Soviets win WW3 there?

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2015, 04:02:41 AM »
The more you post these Il-31s, the more nervous my 1/48 HpH Il-28 is getting... ::)
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2015, 02:12:11 AM »
Thanks a lot to reveal this secret part of the Korean crisis... Secret history is fascinating, with beautiful unknown airplanes moreover :)

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2015, 04:40:26 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2015, 05:15:53 PM »
Great ideas here

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2015, 05:18:21 AM »
 :)
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 05:37:05 AM »
Heaven. I'm in heaven.

 
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 08:21:07 AM »
Oh Oh Yes  :)

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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 09:54:00 AM »
Beautiful!!  An advanced version with turbo-props, perhaps?

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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2015, 11:41:58 PM »
Douglas EC-124D Rivet Stack:
This is interesting, even if I do not love such huge cargo, without streamlined aerodynamics (this is not your fault, this is the template of course)... ;)

Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2016, 05:51:48 AM »
I've always felt that the US Navy needed some kind of Tu-16 Badger analogue. So what if Martin and the USN Bureau of Aeronautics, concerned with the viability of the seaplane deterrent, developed a conventional land-based long-range patrol bomber from as many P6M components as possible?


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1968: Just off of Haiphong, a P-7B of VXAH-1 swoops in low to lay mines.

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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2016, 09:01:08 AM »
Love your P-7 Majestic ... and the concept behind it  :)
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2016, 11:58:12 AM »
P-7 Seamaster/Majestic = wonderful :)
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2016, 03:07:12 PM »
Really nice work!!!

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2016, 03:11:06 AM »
 :)
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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2017, 08:01:56 PM »
Thanks for the positive comments guys.

Douglas EC-124D Rivet Stack:

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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2017, 02:37:31 AM »
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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2017, 03:20:14 AM »
What the ....???

F-105 plus???
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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2017, 03:50:04 AM »
Its a TF-84Q Thunderstreak. Ex-Armee de l'air Syrian half-way house between a F-84F & a F-105.

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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2017, 05:37:47 AM »
Pretty interesting!  I like the fuselage color and the weathering you did.  Did you mean for the other roundel to be peeking through underneath the canopy?  Makes me want to create a mental story of a plane that was perhaps either bought as surplus, captured and test flown by the new owners, etc.

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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2017, 05:29:52 PM »
Thanks. Yes its an ex-French aircraft gifted to Syria. I wanted it to already have a story to tell before it got to its current user. I don't know why but I just can't do a factory-fresh bird.

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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2017, 02:23:45 AM »
Ugly in a Su-9U kind of way ;)
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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2017, 09:06:09 PM »
The pilot of this Harridan pours the coals on his Olympus 305 and turns south-west having completed his Red Hood SLAR reconnaissance run of the northern shores of the Black Sea.

Handley Page Harridan PR.4C RAF 82 Sqn Det A by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2017, 10:45:02 PM »
Weird! ??? ;)

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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2017, 11:41:59 PM »
More details required please
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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2017, 12:42:58 PM »
The pilot of this Harridan pours the coals on his Olympus 305 and turns south-west having completed his Red Hood SLAR reconnaissance run of the northern shores of the Black Sea.

Handley Page Harridan PR.4C RAF 82 Sqn Det A by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

Really unusual!  I think I see what looks like the tail of an XB-51 there.  Is that its intake underneath the cockpit?  It would certainly have a wickedly tall nose gear, but it almost doesn't seem as though there'd be room for it if one accounts for a cockpit tub and any radar and avionics up in the nose. 

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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2017, 07:42:03 PM »
It all started as a single Oly engined scaled-down Victor as a Buccaneer alternative turned British U-2 type.

It is indeed the engine intake under the cockpit. I thought the Victor's bulged throat (for lack of a better term) would make a great intake.

It is pure Victor from the intake lip aft. The cockpit section is a MiG-27 one (as I have one spare) with underside cut down slightly to un-mask the intake. The cockpit is scaled correctly for a 1/72 MiG-27 cockpit to be married to a 1/144 Victor fuselage, plus or minus a pixel. The nose is based on that of an Atlas Cheetah D but is not scaled. The wings are Victor minus the intake sections moved forward to the original wing root.

As for landing gear, I think bicycle would be the best way to go with outriggers deployed from the Whitcomb bodies/Küchemann carrots on the trailing edge.

Its really meant to be an evolved kludge as only the Brits can do.


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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2017, 09:55:33 PM »
Ta...that saves me tearing my hair out trying to find it in my British Secret Projects books. ;)
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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2017, 10:23:54 PM »
Thanks. Yes its an ex-French aircraft gifted to Syria. I wanted it to already have a story to tell before it got to its current user. I don't know why but I just can't do a factory-fresh bird.

New planes are pretty, but there's always a story behind the ones with some weathering and grunge to them indicating hard use.  Very nice work!

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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2017, 10:33:31 PM »
It all started as a single Oly engined scaled-down Victor as a Buccaneer alternative turned British U-2 type.

It is indeed the engine intake under the cockpit. I thought the Victor's bulged throat (for lack of a better term) would make a great intake.

It is pure Victor from the intake lip aft. The cockpit section is a MiG-27 one (as I have one spare) with underside cut down slightly to un-mask the intake. The cockpit is scaled correctly for a 1/72 MiG-27 cockpit to be married to a 1/144 Victor fuselage, plus or minus a pixel. The nose is based on that of an Atlas Cheetah D but is not scaled. The wings are Victor minus the intake sections moved forward to the original wing root.

As for landing gear, I think bicycle would be the best way to go with outriggers deployed from the Whitcomb bodies/Küchemann carrots on the trailing edge.

Its really meant to be an evolved kludge as only the Brits can do.

Ah, I see...  You'll have to forgive me for seeing the XB-51 tail and not the Victor (I'm a Yank, after all....  Ha!)  You know, I'm almost embarrassed to say I hadn't even thought about a bicycle/outrigger gear layout but you're right, that would look at home there.  Looks like it would still have to be pretty tall though in consideration of the overall size of the intake (not a criticism, just an observation).  As "evolved kluges" go, it's a pretty interesting one.

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« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2017, 12:49:01 AM »
Lavochkin's attempt at fielding an AL-5 engined all-weather interceptor using the La-200's tried & tested wings & empennage rather than the La-190's more (too?) exotic aerodynamics. The La-204:

Lavochkin La-204UF TNI–AU by mtpalmer1, on Flickr

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« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2017, 07:04:20 AM »
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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2019, 09:21:15 PM »
Some other projects I've been toying with in SimplePlanes:

Bell X-22 Annular Wing Testbed:

Bell X-22 2 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

Borodin Toporov I-1:

Borodin Toporov I-1 19 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Borodin Toporov I-1UB 15 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

Convair XF-102C Transonic Turboporop:

Convair XF-102C 17 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Convair XF-102C 28 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Convair XF-102C 29 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

Curtiss F-87 evolution:

Curtiss F-87C 17 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Curtiss F-87C 12 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Curtiss F-87E 19 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

Douglas F3D developments instead of F-89 & U-2:

Douglas XF-89 2 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Douglas F-89B 18 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Douglas U-2A 18 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Douglas U-2A 26 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Douglas U-2D 1 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

Douglas X-3 Single-Engine:

Douglas X-3A (J40) 29 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

Gloster Janus ALBM Launcher:

Gloster Janus 1 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Gloster Janus ALBM Carrier 20 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Gloster Janus ALBM Carrier 30 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2019, 02:04:36 AM »
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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2019, 08:58:21 AM »
Beautiful work!!  I'd love to see more of the Mikoyan E-152SPD.  What kind of intake do you have on that one, I really couldn't see one?

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« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2019, 12:09:38 PM »
WOW - am overwhelmed with concepts.  Take a while to sort out and digest.  Like to borrow features for kit bashes.

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« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2019, 07:24:55 PM »
Thank you!

The 152SPD is something of a Flagonised variant with fuel in the spine and NACA style intakes just ahead of the cockpit to permit a significant radar. Hopefully the pics below show it a bit better. I have no idea why I changed the fin.

Mikoyan-Gurevich Ye-152SPD 4 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Mikoyan-Gurevich Ye-152SPD 27 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Mikoyan-Gurevich Ye-152SPD 35 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Mikoyan-Gurevich Ye-152SPD 36 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2019, 12:40:48 AM »
Those intakes remind me of another Sukhoi prototype heavy fighter, but I can't remember its designation off the top of my head.

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« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2019, 02:45:11 AM »
Those intakes remind me of another Sukhoi prototype heavy fighter, but I can't remember its designation off the top of my head.


The Sukhoi T-49 perhaps:



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« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2019, 03:00:07 AM »
Woah, you've been busy !!!

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« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2019, 10:42:23 AM »
Those intakes remind me of another Sukhoi prototype heavy fighter, but I can't remember its designation off the top of my head.


The Sukhoi T-49 perhaps:





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« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2019, 07:38:40 PM »
Had some time off and its been rainy here so here's a few more concepts I've been playing with the last couple o days.

A tidy up of my Republic F-96, loosely based on the Republic AP-55:
Republic F-96A 3 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-96A 6 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-96A 13 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-96A 17 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-96A 18 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-96A 21 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

A butterfly tail variation of my F-84Q with Standard derived heavy ASMs:
Republic F-84Q Thunderstreak Butterfly Tail 11 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-84Q Thunderstreak Butterfly Tail 16 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-84Q Thunderstreak Butterfly Tail 17 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-84Q Thunderstreak Butterfly Tail 18 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-84Q Thunderstreak Butterfly Tail 19 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-84Q Thunderstreak Butterfly Tail 24 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

Some Meteor shenanigans starting with a Short Sperrin scaled testbed:
Short Meteor Testbed 1 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Short Meteor Testbed 9 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Short Meteor Testbed 17 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Short Meteor Testbed 22 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

STOVL craziness:
Gloster Meteor STOVL 10 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Gloster Meteor STOVL 14 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Gloster Meteor STOVL 16 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

PR.18...obviously not as good as its infamous successor:
Gloster Meteor PR.18 1 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Gloster Meteor PR.18 6 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Gloster Meteor PR.18 14 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Gloster Meteor PR.18 18 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

....and how to make a Meteor supersonic, Armstrong-Whitworth style:

Armstrong Whitworth M-Wing Meteor 6 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Armstrong Whitworth M-Wing Meteor 8 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Armstrong Whitworth M-Wing Meteor 24 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Armstrong Whitworth M-Wing Meteor 33 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2019, 12:07:42 AM »
Had some time off and its been rainy here so here's a few more concepts I've been playing with the last couple o days.

A butterfly tail variation of my F-84Q with Standard derived heavy ASMs:
Republic F-84Q Thunderstreak Butterfly Tail 18 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Republic F-84Q Thunderstreak Butterfly Tail 19 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

The Reconnaissance Meteor looks great. 

What additional information can you provide on the "Standard Derived Heavy ASM" shapes shown on your Butterfly Tail F-84Q?  I find this missile shape intriguing. 
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #59 on: August 17, 2019, 02:17:14 AM »
Thanks. The missile started life as a completely fictional Soviet AAM but the strakes put me in mind of a Tartar/Standard (albeit with much enlarged rear fins). I envision it as something of a heavyweight Maverick with a similar EO-guidance system to the early 65s but with a lot more punch both in terms of kinetics and warhead. I went with a AIM-4 colour scheme just because I feel it is underused and I like it. I think it just about conceivable that the F-84Q could have held on long enough with ANG & AFRES units for someone to hang some early EO-guided ordnance on one at the end of the sixties. Hope that helps.
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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2019, 03:31:20 AM »
Love the look of this one:



Has the look of a bird about to dive onto its prey:

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2019, 12:50:37 AM »
Over the weekend I was playing with the idea of a slightly earlier British nuclear deterrent and what delivery platforms would be available for it in the 1949-53 timeframe. Since this is too early for the V-Bombers (other than prototypes toward the end of the period) and the Lincoln was not deemed survivable as a freefall bomber, I thought about a stand-off solution for the much maligned Lincoln.

Below is my concept for an all-Bristol Theseus streamlined Lincoln (no need for defensive armaments if it is stand-off) armed with a (very) proto-Blue Steel, the Blue Oak. The performance wouldn't be a patch on OTL Blue Steel but wouldn't have to be, even a 20 mile range is going to be enough to make a difference for our intrepid Lincoln crew.

The pace of development would most likely mean the V-Bombers come online before this would but I reckon that it would at least reach the point of carrying test shapes. I for one find this confluence of eras too enticing to resist and I hope it is of some interest.

Avro Theseus-Lincoln Blue Oak Carrier 7 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Avro Theseus-Lincoln Blue Oak Carrier 9 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Avro Theseus-Lincoln Blue Oak Carrier 23 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Avro Theseus-Lincoln Blue Oak Carrier 31 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Avro Theseus-Lincoln Blue Oak Carrier 35 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Avro Theseus-Lincoln Blue Oak Carrier 29 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr
Avro Blue Oak 1 by Matthew Palmer, on Flickr

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Re: Empty Handed's New Profile Hangar
« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2019, 05:09:19 AM »
Love your Theseus-Lincoln  :smiley:
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