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Offline LemonJello

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2015, 10:29:21 PM »
I have a 1/35th AH-1W Cobra & UH-1N Gunship to be built in my Royal Australian Marines plan. The Huey is getting Live Resin mini-guns to replace the kit versions & both will be getting the still-in-development RAM camouflage scheme.

I'll be looking forward to your builds of these two.  I have a second -1W in the stash with the turned exhausts and Cobra Co updates as well as the -1N (also with Cobra Co updates) waiting to be built as real world USMC machines.   Just have to find the courage to start chopping off plastic to replace with resin.

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2015, 12:32:06 PM »
Now, though, what I need most are decent operational (flying) crew sets with pilots & gunners (& troops?) doing their thing.

There are quite a few kits out there.  I am unsure how good they are though.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2015, 08:55:19 AM »
Now, though, what I need most are decent operational (flying) crew sets with pilots & gunners (& troops?) doing their thing.

There are quite a few kits out there.  I am unsure how good they are though.

From what I've seen quality varies greatly, few have both pilots seated & even fewer have gunners, let-alone posed in weapon-handling stances.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2015, 11:11:26 AM »
I was under the impression that we were offered the in service W and the Z but the Z was eliminated early on because it wouldn't be ready in time and was still developmental while the buying the Whiskey with a future upgrade to Zulu being more expensive than the Tiger.  I could be wrong but that was the story I was told.  As you worked the project though you'd know more about it than me with my mix of, possibly miss remembered, reading and conversations.


The original AI87 offerings were:  Boeing/BAE Systems Australia with the AH-64D Apache; Agusta/Tenix Defence Systems with the A129 Scorpion; Bell Helicopter Textron/Raytheon Australia/Helitech Pty Ltd/Rockwell Australia Ltd with the ARH-1Z; and Eurocopter /ADI Ltd/Celsius Hawker Pacific Pty Ltd/Brown & Root Services Asia-Pacific with the Tiger.

The ARH-1Z was very enticing especially since it also included a proposed license to complete development and subsequent manufacture a family of UAVs based upon the of the Eagle Eye Tilt Rotor UAV (see below) in Australia for sale worldwide.



Ultimately I believe it lost out since the basic platform was felt to be at the end of its development potential.  Plus the USD:AUD exchange rate was not pretty.

A mate of mine was the CSM for the RAEME support detachment for the Tigers, he was not a fan believing we should have gone either Cobra or Apache for the simple reason the full support package would have been available from the start meaning we would actually have had a deployable asset rather than one where it was hard to get a single helicopter in the air some days due to lack of spares.  He actually also said he wished the RAAF had kept the helicopters because they were so time consuming, expensive and difficult to operate and maintain, especially considering a lack of understanding / air mindedness in the upper echelons who just expected a "can do attitude" from the maintainers rather than all the safety / certification BS which some of them just saw as excuses.  We all know where the "can do attitude" got the RAN FAA.


I would say that a lot of people don't understand how these programs go down and what looks obvious to those on the outside may not necessarily be so when one has the facts at hand...


And isn't ironic that the Australian Army has had a gut full of the Eurocopter Tiger and now wants to replace them with Apache's! The bloody ADF....I'd be happy to say to the Army - 'You know what... you selected the Tiger over all the other proven and tested designs in Air87! You as a service selected the one and only design that was still in development, not in operational service....and now you want to say thanks, but no thanks! Well try these refurbished Bell H-47 on for size!!!'

As for the record, I would have selected the Agusta/Tenix Defence Systems with the A129 Scorpion proposal! It was simple, cost effective, compact and operationally proven!

P.S. I dare say your aware that we in actual fact ordered Bell AH-1G's during the Vietnam War? Yes but as per usual with the Australian Government, the order was cancelled on 'cost grounds' Yep sad and pathetic!! (I'll try and find the article!!)



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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2015, 11:42:11 PM »
Question folks:

I'm building the Special Hobby Huey Cobra at the moment, and it has lots of optional parts, but no explanation of what they are and what applies to which version! The thing I'm particularly wondering about at the moment is the rotor mast. Two different versions are provided:

1. Shorter mast with a flat plate base that seals off the hole in the top of the fuselage.

2. Longer mast with a "frying pan" base that leave the hole in the top of the fuselage recessed.

What's the difference between them and which is earlier or later?
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2015, 05:41:41 AM »
According to Floyd Werner (former Cobra pilot) on ARC, those things were aerodynamic covers. They were quickly removed in the field after it was found that they didn't offer much of an aerodynamic improvement. He said about 99% of Cobras didn't use the cover.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2015, 06:32:57 AM »
According to Floyd Werner (former Cobra pilot) on ARC, those things were aerodynamic covers. They were quickly removed in the field after it was found that they didn't offer much of an aerodynamic improvement. He said about 99% of Cobras didn't use the cover.

Many thanks - just what I needed. :)
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2015, 02:28:30 AM »
I previously knew of the ADF's plan to purchase AH-1G in the early '70s.  The advert below though is something I have not previously seen:

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2016, 11:42:06 AM »
I don't know about anyone else, but I think these look REALLY sharp.





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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2016, 03:05:52 PM »
The 2nd picture is great! It takes an idea straight out of my head & makes it almost real - right down to the colours, only in Czech markings instead of Royal Australian Marines. :D

I have a 1/35 UH-1N & an AH-1W for the project.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2016, 04:36:51 AM »
Some AH-1 proposals:


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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2016, 10:36:34 AM »
The engine would be easy enough and the MMS could come from the OH-58D.  Anyone make a Model 412 kit in 1/72?

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2016, 02:18:41 PM »
^ Italeri do: LINK! Already got one in the stash to nick the rotor from to make that Cobra proposed to the Germans.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2016, 02:45:22 PM »
The engine would be easy enough and the MMS could come from the OH-58D.  Anyone make a Model 412 kit in 1/72?

I just finished scrapping a pair of MRC 1:35th scale OH-58D Kiowa 'Warrior' kits and was going to dispose of the rotors until I realized that the 1:35th scale Kiowa 4-blade rotor would work very well on a 1:48th scale AH-1 or UH-1. 

Maybe you can do the same thing with a 1:48th scale OH-58D and a 1:72nd scale UH-1 or AH-1 ?
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2016, 08:34:46 PM »
Anyone make a Model 412 kit in 1/72?

Italeri and reboxed by Revell.  Got two or three in my stash

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2016, 09:11:29 PM »
^ Italeri do: LINK! Already got one in the stash to nick the rotor from to make that Cobra proposed to the Germans.

Also worth noting that the 212 boxings have most of the 412 rotor parts on the sprues too, all marked as unused.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2016, 10:36:53 PM »
^ Italeri do: LINK! Already got one in the stash to nick the rotor from to make that Cobra proposed to the Germans.

Also worth noting that the 212 boxings have most of the 412 rotor parts on the sprues too, all marked as unused.

Oops! missed Moritz reply ----   :-X

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2016, 11:44:10 PM »
Random idea: how about Huey-based helicopter world speed record contender?

Serious lifting wings in place of the stub wings

Retractable skids as per the prototype

Turret removed and faired over

Four or five bladed main rotor

Depending on the era, you might have BERP rotor tips and depending on the rules, you might have small turbojets/turbofans on the wings for extra thrust.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2016, 04:09:47 AM »
Random idea: how about Huey-based helicopter world speed record contender?


I'm liking your thinking. :)
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2016, 08:44:44 AM »
Random idea: how about Huey-based helicopter world speed record contender?

Serious lifting wings in place of the stub wings

Retractable skids as per the prototype

Turret removed and faired over

Four or five bladed main rotor

Depending on the era, you might have BERP rotor tips and depending on the rules, you might have small turbojets/turbofans on the wings for extra thrust.
Perhaps a variation of the changes Piasecki is making to a YSH-60F for the X-49.

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2016, 03:12:40 AM »
In other words, a cleaned up version of this:

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2016, 10:23:17 AM »
Yep!  That does look tasty.  I'll be it would really be nasty of derived from an AH-1Z.

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2016, 04:01:34 AM »
Wheel undercarriage anyone:

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2016, 05:46:34 AM »
Think of the skid kids  :icon_crap: errr children !
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2016, 05:59:47 AM »
Make it so Number 1!  :)
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