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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2017, 04:15:36 AM »
Is it just me or does this look to have a British roundel on it:

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2017, 04:49:16 AM »
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2017, 04:03:29 AM »
Ah well, back to this one then... ;)

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2018, 05:59:47 AM »
AH-1F with near-AH-1Z level sensors and weapons suite.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2018, 06:21:15 AM »
AH-1F with near-AH-1Z level sensors and weapons suite.
Retains T53 powerplant or upgrade to T700?  If I was upgrading without budget restrictions, I'd go for the T700 and upgrade the transmission to handle a Model 412 rotor system.

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2018, 10:59:15 AM »
Retains T53 powerplant or upgrade to T700?


Almost definitely the former.  The chopper photoed is apparently meant as an active-service machine (as opposed to a prototype), and there is no prototyped attempt at T700 conversion for single-engine Huey/Cobra that I know of outside of the Ultra Huey......

If I was upgrading without budget restrictions, I'd go for the T700 and upgrade the transmission to handle a Model 412 rotor system.


Personally I do love the idea of re-engining single-engine Huey and Cobra with the T700 purely on the ground of potential performance improvement, but what arrangement would offer the best compromise between being economical (throughout lifetime) and being technically straightforward (in aspects such as training) in the event of a mixed fleet of single- and twin-engine Hueys and Cobras?  To keep them in their commercially-available set ups (i.e. AH-1F & Huey II + AH-1W/Z & UH-1Y) or to pursue as much commonality as possible?
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2018, 06:45:09 PM »
Ah well, back to this one then... ;)




Is that a real one Greg, or is that photoshopped ?

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2018, 10:49:08 AM »
Will need to check my source to confirm
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2018, 02:59:48 PM »
Wheel undercarriage anyone:




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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2018, 06:00:37 PM »
It looks photoshopped, to me.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2018, 03:07:44 AM »
It looks photoshopped, to me.
But a fairly well done photoshop.  To the best of my knowledge, as of the time I left Bell, there were no AH-1Z's (and, with a four-bladed rotor that has to be one) with wheeled undercarriage.  Now, since there is a wheeled undercarriage option for the Model 412 (you'd love it Brian, such nice spats), I could see a derivative of that fitted to a UH-1Y and then a variant of that added to the AH-1Z, but that would be a tricycle gear, not what's seen here.  The gear shown here almost looks like it's off a MH-60B or other navalized H-60/S-70 variant.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2018, 08:33:36 AM »
It looks photoshopped, to me.
But a fairly well done photoshop.

Yup. The only real give-away is the wheels, they have flat spots around the lower 1/3 & the colouring looks slightly off.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2018, 09:43:03 AM »
Wheel undercarriage anyone:




Love the wheels version. Is it peruvian?


It was a proposal to Turkey I believe
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2018, 02:54:42 AM »
Birth of the Cobra. Mike Folse proved that a helicopter could fly and shoot at the same time.

Folse and the first official AH-1 drawing.



Read more at https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/13_aug2017-birth-of-the-cobra-180963930/#JbHgUXfV6xoSt3y8.99
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2018, 08:03:20 AM »
Great article! Thanks for posting.

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2018, 01:20:02 AM »
 :smiley:
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« Reply #66 on: January 24, 2019, 02:18:22 PM »
What if early attack helicopter


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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2019, 02:46:21 AM »
Random idea:  AH-1 with 30mm M230 Chain Gun from AH-64.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2019, 07:29:51 AM »
Random idea:  AH-1 with 30mm M230 Chain Gun from AH-64.

Regarding which the Salamander "Modern Fighting Aircraft" volume on the AH-1 Cobra from 1987 has the following to say (p.38):

"General Electric's universal turret was introduced to the AH-1S as apart of the AH-1S Upgun programme. Developed as a replacement for the M28, it was designed to carry either the 20mm M197 or the 30mm Hughes M230 Chain Gun, the gun saddle being made compatible with quick-release pin mounting f the 20mm or the slide mount of the 30mm. The designers intended that the turret be convertible from one weapon/calibre to the other in less than 30 minutes, a task which involved changing the gun, ammunition chuting and feed system.  Ammunition is carried in a rectangular magazine located within the aircraft fuselage immediately behind the turret, and detachable partitions were devised to convert the magazine from the 30mm round to the shorter 20mm pattern.
The M230 was for use on the larger McDonnell-Douglas AH-64A Apache, and is carried beneath the belly of all operational examples of that aircraft. It was never adopted for the Cobra however - the universal turret on all AH-1S helicopters is armed with the 20mm M197.
"   

Caption for image of M230:

"Retrofitting the 30mm M230 Chain Gun at a later date would be simple, since mounting points for this larger weapon are already provided in the Universal Turret. To date, the US Army has shown little interest in the weapon."

Apparently a not-too-difficult what-if.... :smiley:
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2019, 01:43:30 AM »
Thanks for the heads up.  Here is some more information:

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2019, 03:41:25 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2019, 10:22:37 AM »
On the other hand is the US Forest Service conversion of a couple of Cobras into Firewatch Cobras to help fight wild fires. I’ll post some pics when I get home.

Here we go,



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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #72 on: September 21, 2019, 03:08:51 AM »
I wonder:  The above PAH-2 Cobra proposal combined with the 30mm Upgun proposal.  Almost giving you an Apache in a Cobra.  Might be best to do off the back of one of the twin engined variants though for the extra power.
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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2019, 05:37:16 AM »



Almost looks like a flamethrower Cobra instead...  ;)

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Re: Bell Huey Cobra Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2019, 05:52:08 AM »
I wonder:  The above PAH-2 Cobra proposal combined with the 30mm Upgun proposal.  Almost giving you an Apache in a Cobra.  Might be best to do off the back of one of the twin engined variants though for the extra power.
I think the T700 has roughly the same power as a PT6T "Twin-Pac".  Going with two T700s puts you in AH-1W/Z territory.