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Antipodean Armourfest!
« on: April 01, 2014, 05:36:38 PM »
This is some pure silliness I came up with today. 

Instead of being light Infantry centric (due I suspect to do politically driven preference relating to lower costs) the Australian Army inexplicably becomes absolutely armour mad.  Not just lots of armoured vehicles but lots of different types of armoured vehicles even to the point of maintaining different types / makes of MBTs in different units.  The RAAC has its Tank heavy Armoured Brigades with different vehicles in the regular and reserve brigades.  The Royal Australian Regiment (RAR) has an Armoured Support Company in each battalion with MBT/CS, AT/DFS and rec platoons.  The Cavalry deploys regiments of medium, light, tracked and wheeled varieties along with regular and reserve regiments having different equipment too.  There is Australian Parachute Regiment (APR) airborne brigade with their own unique light armour and also the Royal Australian Marines with their own as well.

The Cavalry in particular could be divided into Horse, Dragoons, Lancers, Hussars, Light Horse, Mounted Rifles and Mounted Infantry; each with its own organization and table of equipment to fill a specific imagined role within the ADFs ORBAT.

When all is said and done I recon I could get almost any western AFV into ADF markings somewhere in this hodge podge collection of heavy metal.  By 1970 there could be Chieftains and Centurions in the Armoured Brigades with CVR(T) in support; S Tanks and M-48s in the RAR; Leo 1 & 2, AMX 30, Jagtpanzer Kanon, Lynx, AMX 10RC AMX-13, Sheridan etc. (and many more) in CAV, M-60, M-41 ;) in the RAM........

Why you ask? Well.....ummmmm.......just cos.....

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2014, 03:58:27 AM »
Do you have an idea for the OoB/ToE for this concept?





OoB = Order of Battle
ToE = Table of Organization [and] Equipment
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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2014, 04:38:05 AM »
Working on it, and the back story too.

Basically it starts in WWII as a necessity, using what you have where you have it, with different types of units developing different orbats and tactics around what they can lay their hands on at the time.  Then rather than consolidating and reorganizing along a common structure each of the different types of battle group becomes a type of battalion, regiment,or brigade in its own right with old equipment replaced with new.

I will probably need a spreadsheet to make sense of it all.

Another way to look at it,in particular with the Cavalry, is each unit is an independent regiment in its own right extending this to it's equipment as well as its uniforms.  Each is funded and supported from a separate bucket of money.

 

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2014, 05:05:28 AM »
Hmm, interesting - is that going to be like different states supplying their own units from their state budgets?  Rather than from a central purchasing office / department?

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2014, 08:02:10 AM »
Central funding but not necessarily central procurement for major items.  Probably a fit form and function commonality, common calibres etc but not common vehicles.  Maybe a funding model that purchases the equipment plus an additional quantity for attrition, spares etc. for a set service life.  After ten years the inventory is reviewed and the equipment upgraded or replaced and the attrition and spares replenished accordingly.

It will probably be a hybrid set up where the Armoured Brigades, RAR, APR, RAM and Divisional Cavalry Regiments are part of the standing army (both regular and reserve elements) and are equipped according to role.  The remainder of the Cavalry remains part of the Militia with each Regiment being funded and equipped separately depending on role and geography.

The idea with the armoured support company within the RAR for instance was a deployed battalion managed to obtain a troop of CS Matildas, a troop of Light Tank Mk IV and a troop / platoon of AT guns.  This works and the battalion hangs onto them and other battalions duplicate the capability, by the end of the war it has morphed into an Armoured Support Company consisting CS Platoon with Churchill MkVIII Crocodiles, an AT platoon with Archers, a rec platoon with M-24s and a service platoon with Universal carriers and half tracks in each line battalion.  By Korea the line battalions had been replaced by the RAR with the Armoured Support Company remaining the same except for the Archers being replaced with an indigenous casemate type TD.  By Vietnam the Churchills had been replaced with Centurion MkVs, the carriers and halftracks with M-113 and by the 80/90s it would have been Leopards, S-Tanks, MRVs and M-113.

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2014, 08:41:41 PM »
W-o-h! :icon_surprised:

snip... M-60, M-41 ;) in the RAM...snip

Why, thank you! :))
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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2014, 04:57:58 AM »
Speaking of Australian Armour…Captured Italian Armato M13/40 (far left) and M11/39 (middle and right) tanks being used by the Australian 6th Division Cavalry Regiment during the capture of Tobruk:

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2014, 11:19:14 PM »
That photo is vaguely familiar, thanks for posting.

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2014, 09:09:41 AM »
That photo is vaguely familiar, thanks for posting.

That would be because it's quite famous.  It and a couple of others were my justification for fielding an armoured squadron for my Western Desert division when I used to wargame.  ;)

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2014, 09:22:04 AM »
My Tamiya Carro Armato M13/40 came with decals for those markings - I may even use them ... but perhaps not as intended. ;)
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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2014, 01:15:42 AM »
Late WWII the RAAC is expanded to support the 2nd AIF 1st Armoured Corp which is evolved and specifically re-equipped for the invasion of Japan.  Its main vehicle type is the US produced M-11 Churchill Heavy Tank, a slightly wider, more powerful, faster, better armed and more reliable US built version of the British Churchill Infantry Tank.  Although the US Army issued vehicles used the 76mm HV gun and 105mm howitzer in addition to the standard 75mm gun those issued to the Australian 1 ARMD Corp were rearmed as they were to serve as the core of the British Commonwealth component of the invasion force.  As such the Australian versions were armed with the 17pdr, 25pdr and the 75mm guns of the RAC. 

The same calibres were shared with the Australian AC4 that was the main cruiser tank used by Commonwealth forces in the Pacific Theatre.  The AC4, re-armed with US 76 and 105mm guns were supplied to US Army and Marine units in the Pacific in reverse lend lease, freeing up additional Shermans for the European Theatre.  The AC4 and later AC5 were the mainstay of the RAACs independent Armoured Cavalry Regiments, the Australian Horse that served initially as Corps level reconnaissance but later at divisional level including one Australian Horse ACR to provide heavy armoured support to each of the Light Divisions raised post war (predominantly reserve formations with significant regular cadres to maintain skill levels and preparedness).  The Light Divisions were the Light Division made up predominantly of the Australian Light Infantry (ALI), the Airborne Division with the Australian Parachute Regiment (APR), the Pacific Island Division with the Pacific Island Regiment (PIR) and of course the Royal Australian Marines (RAM).  There was also the Australian Light Horse, Light Cavalry Regiments, independent Squadrons and cadres, regular and reserve, that covered a plethora of armoured support roles, including light reconnaissance, NBC reconnaissance, COIN, Civil security, anti-tank, APC, desert warfare, mountain warfare, amphibious warfare, arctic warfare, and airborne operations.  These units used a variety of historical and significant names including, Mounted Rifles, Mounted Infantry, Lancers, Hussars, Light Dragoons and Dragoons.  Some regiments were granted Royal, some (those assigned to BAOR post war) were called Guards, a few had both Royal and Guards. For example the RAAC ACR assigned to BAOR was the Royal Australian Horse Guards and included a ceremonial mounted Squadron with Troops in London and Canberra as well as the Royal Australian Dragoon Guards an Armoured Infantry Regiment providing the battalions for the armoured brigades assigned to BAOR.  The Lancers were predominantly tank or anti-tank, while the Hussars were reconnaissance and the Mounted Rifles were tracked APC, the Mounted Infantry were wheeled APC, and Dragoons were Armoured Infantry and the Light Dragoons were Mechanised Infantry.

Japans surrender following the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki sees 1 Armd Corp reduced in size to two armoured divisions, one in Japan as part of the occupation force and the other returned to Australia to form the new regular army.  By the start of the Korean war in 1950 both have been reduced to single regular armoured brigades 1 Bde in Japan (subsequently serving with distinction in Korea) and the 2 Bde in Australia, with another two reserve armoured brigades being raised in Australia.  Following the Korean War 1 Bde became part of the UN security force stationed in South Korea to guarantee the peace.

The M-3 Medium Tanks that had been earmarked for Australia were instead supplied to the USSR due, in part, to Australia's needs at that point of the war having already been met by the indigenous AC1 and AC3 Cruiser Tanks.  With Japans entry to the war the planned deployment of Australian Armoured Divisions to the Middle East was delayed and when it was finally went ahead in late 1942, following the return of to Australia of two of the three Infantry Divisions from North Africa, the decision to re-equip the divisions with Shermans had already been made.  Ironically later in 1943, due to Australia's manpower shortage, it was decided that the entire 2nd AIF, including the Infantry Divisions in the Pacific Theatre, so recently converted to Jungle or Light Infantry Divisions, should be mechanised for the invasion of Japan to make better offensive use of the personnel available. 

In addition to 1 Corps in the Pacific the 1st and 3rd Armoured Divisions serving in North Africa and then Italy were redeployed to England in early 1944 and joined by the 2nd Armoured Division and the NZ Armoured Division to form the ANZAC or in this case the Australian and New Zealand Armoured Corps for the invasion of Europe.  This formation was equipped with UK spec Churchills, Cromwells and Archers, and later in 1945 began to re-equip with Comets and Black Princes.  These were the main vehicles they retained when downsized to the ANZAC Armoured Division post war as they took up their new assignment with BAOR that was maintained through until 1994.

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2014, 01:58:29 AM »
One to confuse some…maybe ;):

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2014, 01:59:34 AM »
And getting back on track:

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2014, 02:13:54 AM »
One to confuse some…maybe ;):

Seems to be a Freccia.

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Re: Antipodean Armourfest!
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2014, 12:02:36 PM »
All I can see is "this image is current unavailable"...