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M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« on: March 17, 2014, 06:00:22 PM »
M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank

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Quite surprised that we have not had a topic on the M41 Walker light tank before now.  Considering how many nations around the world have been using this particular vehicle for a number of years with some still active though the majority by now are retired from service and have been scrapped, turned into artificial reefs, or monuments. 

I have often wondered if the M41 could handle the 17pdr in lieu of the 76mm gun it was manufactured with.  A nice subtle what if by simply changing the gun tube out would certainly be fun. 

Other ideas for a what if M41 would be to arm it with a 105mm howitzer instead of the 76mm gun. 

Another option would be to use a 57mm gun instead of the 76mm? 
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2014, 08:17:00 PM »
Add side skirts and a more slab-sided turret ala' the M1 and you could have a light/airmobile tank to rival the Sheridan in use with the XVIII Airborne Corps.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2014, 01:58:26 AM »
Some bolt on ceramic armor or explosive panels and some slat armor. Add some boxes around the turret to change its shape. It would make some fun whiffing as the Tamiya kit is pretty cheap.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2014, 05:18:09 AM »
Always liked the "feel" of the M-41, irrespective of it's capabilities and limitations. It has a balanced, poised feel to it, much like the Chaffee before it. :)

I'd think a 90mm gun would be high on the shopping list (some countries have done it). If the Panhard ERC-90 armoured car can take the GIAT TS-90 high-velocity weapon, then I can't see the M-41 having a problem.
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2014, 05:27:21 AM »
One of my pet peeves with the M41 is the commanders cupola.  It seems to be fixed and does not rotate, I want to see if a different cupola will fit where the current cupola resides.  While the AFV Club and Skybow M41 kits both had separate parts for the cupola and a rather round hole where it fits, the Tamiya has it molded to th turret.  Still it would be interesting to see if something different could be mounted in that same location. 

Add side skirts and a more slab-sided turret ala' the M1 and you could have a light/airmobile tank to rival the Sheridan in use with the XVIII Airborne Corps.

Could not agree more with you on that John.  A completely different turret with a bit more bustle and storage would go a long ways towards making it look more purposeful.  Maybe take a Leopard 1A4 turret and see if that will fit. 

The M41 definitely needs a diesel engine to give it better range and less of a fire hazard for the crew. 
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2014, 08:11:01 AM »
Always liked the "feel" of the M-41, irrespective of it's capabilities and limitations. It has a balanced, poised feel to it, much like the Chaffee before it. :)

I'd think a 90mm gun would be high on the shopping list (some countries have done it). If the Panhard ERC-90 armoured car can take the GIAT TS-90 high-velocity weapon, then I can't see the M-41 having a problem.

British Commonwealth versions with 17pdr updated to 20pdr.  A 57mm Molins gun version AT originally but evolving into a SPAAG with a new high elevation mount.  4.5 and 5.5" SPGs as well.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2014, 08:38:13 AM »
How about a Stug type with the 90mm gun?
For a different cupola steal one from an M-48.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2014, 09:25:32 AM »
Had a very basic 1/35 M-41 kit when I was in primary school, can't remember the make but know I was so jealous of a friendwhohad the Tamiya kit with its opening hatches.  M-41is a very tankie looking tank (as I agree the M-24 is as well) that just demands to be whiffed into all sorts of senerios and time frames.

I understand the reality behind MBTs and why the old light, medium, heavy tanks have gone by the way, but ther is just something about a fast light tank with a big gun isnt there? 8)

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2014, 09:32:24 AM »
The 76mm M32 was no slouch and had equal or better (depending on round fired) to the 17 Pdr.

I don't think there would be sufficient room in an M41 turret to put a 17 Pdr, anyway.   I seem to remember the Brazilians sold a bunch of second-hand M41's they'd upgraded to Uragauy which they had upgraded to have Mecar 90mm guns and new engines.   But remember, the low-pressure guns have substantially lower MV compared to conventional guns and rely on HEAT for their armour penetration whereas the M32 relied on APDS and AP for it's armour penetration.

As to adding armour, the M41 is a light tank.  It's maximum armour is only about 75mm (and that's on it's mantlet).  You'll never able to add sufficient to turn a pig's ear into a silk purse.  Better to keep it to it's original role, as a reconnaissance vehicle, rather than trying to turn it into an MBT.   Although, the M41 was able to take on and kill T-54/55/59 MBTs in Laos and Vietnam quite successfully when it managed to get the drop on them.   Skirts and some ceramic armour perhaps to improve chances of survival but don't assume it's going to go head-to-head with an MBT and survive.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2014, 09:43:51 AM »
How about a Stug type with the 90mm gun?
For a different cupola steal one from an M-48.


Even better would be to avoid the cramped space of the cupola and go with the cupola from an M113 with the ACAV gun shield surrounding it.  That gives the commander a little more flexibility with the machine gun be it a .30 or .50 weapon it can be traversed and elevated without having to hand crank the cupola around to engage the target.  But something more practical like the Urdan style cupola that was based on the original commanders cupola on the M48 and M103 but with the addition of a hatch cover that could be elevated to allow viewing whilst still under armor protection might be a better way to go. 

If you have the spare parts or a kit that you want to dispose of you could also try to adapt the cupola from the M1 Abrams to the M41.  Certainly something to consider if you can afford it :)
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2014, 09:44:30 AM »
How about a Stug type with the 90mm gun?
For a different cupola steal one from an M-48.
:)

Yes, perfect, I love casemate assault guns and tank destroyers.

Some thoughts on that:
90mm, 105mm, 120mm or 20pdr casemate gun,
.50 CAL M-48 or M-60 cupola or .30, .50 Cadillac Guage turret, 20mm turret / cupola for self defense,
2", 3", 60mm, or 81mm mortar for self defence / indirect fire support.
Fragmentation as well as smoke grenade launchers for self defense.

Basically a multi role infantry support vehicle covering direct fire support, indirect fire support, SFMG, etc.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2014, 09:47:58 AM »
How about an M41 armed with the 105mm howitzer?  Fire support and obstacle reduction plus you could give it a bulldozer blade to move dirt and debris.
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2014, 10:29:21 AM »
How about an M41 armed with the 105mm howitzer?  Fire support and obstacle reduction plus you could give it a bulldozer blade to move dirt and debris.

Need a new gearbox and transmission and more than likely a more powerful engine.  Why you'd use a light tank for such a task I'm not sure.  Generally if carrying out reconnaissance you go round, not try and push your way through blockages.   Anyway, any barricade would be covered with sufficient firepower to stop any attempt to clear the road block.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2014, 10:43:19 AM »
How about an M41 armed with the 105mm howitzer?  Fire support and obstacle reduction plus you could give it a bulldozer blade to move dirt and debris.
Need a new gearbox and transmission and more than likely a more powerful engine.  Why you'd use a light tank for such a task I'm not sure.  Generally if carrying out reconnaissance you go round, not try and push your way through blockages.   Anyway, any barricade would be covered with sufficient firepower to stop any attempt to clear the road block.


Not saying it would be the ideal tool for the job but in a role of providing fire support for the infantry by direct/indirect fire, equipped with a bulldozer blade (there was a blade kit for the M41 btw) and the ability of the 105H to reduce obstacles by direct fire with a much larger shell that did not rely on higher muzzle velocities it would certainly look convincing as a model and a what if.
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2014, 11:20:06 AM »
How about this?

Replace the 76mm gun with the Israeli hypervelocity 60mm gun.  Add twin TOW launchers to each side of the bustle.   Add ceramic armour to hull front and turret sides.  Alternatively, add space armour boxes to the turret, to give it a square, angular shape.

Create a tank destroyer variant similar to the Spanish(?) one which used the M901 "Hammerhead" turret in place of the gun turret.

Create a tank destroyer variant with a proper elevating mast, armed with one of the larger ATGMs like HOT or Swingfire.