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Offline Rickshaw

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2014, 10:15:04 AM »
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2014, 03:46:49 PM »
AMX-13 turret on an M41 hull...I like! :)
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2014, 05:43:28 PM »
Mmm.....just a thought a multi gun, multi calibre AMX-13 turret on a M-41 hull.  75mm or 90mm HV AT gun, 105mm support gun and a 20-30mm auto-cannon.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2014, 01:51:09 AM »
How about using an M41 as a proper, fully-enclosed SPAAG mounting for the 20mm Vulcan instead of the M163? Big, squared-off turret like a ZSU-23-4 but with the Vulcan instead of the quad 23mm, and a radar/EO tracker on the back? The concession to lightness could be that the search radar lives on another vehicle (which is a good idea anyway).

If you don't fancy the Vulcan, you could always go for twin 30mm: after all, France had the DCA  SPAAG turret which was fitted to both the AMX-13 and AMX-30 chassis. Heller have kitted both in 1/35th.....
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2014, 01:53:38 AM »
There's always a remodel of the M42 duster with its twin 40mm Bofors.
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2014, 02:15:23 AM »
There's always a remodel of the M42 duster with its twin 40mm Bofors.

I didn't want to make the calibre too big or you end up with a turret that's too big for the M41 hull. Remember, the Sgt.York turret, which is the only fully-enclosed, radar-equipped twin 40mm turret I can think of, was almost too big for the M48..... The French only got twin 30mm onto the AMX-13 DCA because the turret only had search radar but no tracking radar, just optical fire control.
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2014, 10:29:54 AM »
IIRC part of the problem with the Sgt York was the ammo feed system. It tried to be able to switch between different types of ammo which I'm sure lead to the larger turret to make space for all that extra machinery. If that were simplified it could make for a smaller turret. Let me check on that.

Offline Rickshaw

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2014, 10:48:02 AM »
IIRC part of the problem with the Sgt York was the ammo feed system. It tried to be able to switch between different types of ammo which I'm sure lead to the larger turret to make space for all that extra machinery. If that were simplified it could make for a smaller turret. Let me check on that.

That wasn't much of a problem, per se.  Switching from one feed to the other would have consisted of a small amount of machinery.  The problem was storing sufficient quantities of the difference types of ammunition.  HE or AP (in various incarnations). The Bofors 40mm round is quite large.   Now, if they'd changed over to a telescoped round they could have saved considerable volume but decided to go with standard rounds instead.   The other problem was the feed system.  'Cause they'd gone for a continious, mechanical feed over the four round clips, you need quite a bit of space for that as well.

Even so, the Sgt. York wasn't too big for an SPAA IMHO.  It was too big for the standard M48 hull, which was afterall, too slow to keep up with the M1s, anyway.  Putting it on the M48 was just another nail in it's coffin.

What they really needed was a 76mm Otomatic gun system.  That could reach out and touch those pesky hovering helicopters with their long range AT missiles, whereas a 40mm couldn't.
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2014, 11:08:20 AM »
Having now read the detailed Wikipedia article, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M247_Sergeant_York) it seems the ammo loading system was one of the Sgt York components that actually worked. Its death nell was the fact that the radar couldn't find the things it was supposed to shoot at. The fact that it was mounted on a 30 year old tank hull surely didn't help matters.
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2014, 10:32:25 AM »
The recent number of M-41 builds and great ideas for whiffing has set quite a few gears turning in my musty, rusty, and dusty brain. I broke down and bought the Tamiya kit at HL today. If you go to buy anything there check for their internet coupons. They had one for 40% off any one item. Score!! $18.00 kit for $11.46.

I want to try a new engine deck, target acquisition system for TC and gunner, the TUSK system from the M-1 and maybe a new 90mm gun. If not the 90mm gun then a Bradley style box TOW launcher. Add on armor and lots of trash bins too. No promises as to when.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2014, 01:52:17 PM »
The recent number of M-41 builds and great ideas for whiffing has set quite a few gears turning in my musty, rusty, and dusty brain. I broke down and bought the Tamiya kit at HL today. If you go to buy anything there check for their internet coupons. They had one for 40% off any one item. Score!! $18.00 kit for $11.46.

I want to try a new engine deck, target acquisition system for TC and gunner, the TUSK system from the M-1 and maybe a new 90mm gun. If not the 90mm gun then a Bradley style box TOW launcher. Add on armor and lots of trash bins too. No promises as to when.
The new engine deck is great fun to figure out.  I started out originally looking at the M50 and M51 Sherman engine deck and realized it was close but just not working.  My next attempt will focus on the engine decks from several Russian tanks in the stash since the engine decks on most of the modern Russian tanks represent a transversely mounted engine it might actually work out in width and length.  If that fails then it is back to sheet plastic :)
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Offline kerick

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2014, 09:11:35 PM »
I fondling the new plastic last night thinking about what to do with the same problem. I was thinking of scale-o-rama an M-60 or M-48 engine deck if I can find one. Otherwise I was thinking of scratching something similar and casting some extra louvers from the M-41 deck to use as air inlet and exhaust ports. I'll be checking Prime Portal and any other references I can find. There is a real world M-48 on display about 20 miles from my house. I should be able to make up an excuse to head out that way.

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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2014, 01:34:12 AM »
I fondling the new plastic last night thinking about what to do with the same problem. I was thinking of scale-o-rama an M-60 or M-48 engine deck if I can find one. Otherwise I was thinking of scratching something similar and casting some extra louvers from the M-41 deck to use as air inlet and exhaust ports. I'll be checking Prime Portal and any other references I can find. There is a real world M-48 on display about 20 miles from my house. I should be able to make up an excuse to head out that way.
Your suggestion to use the M48/M60 grill work at the rear is a great idea.  I had not considered that option myself.  Will have to check and see what it looks like and how much needs to be trimmed off the edges.  Another source for parts might be the Leopard I hull with the side mounted exhaust vents.  Finding a 1:48th scale Leopard, M48, M60, Challenger, or M1 Abrams might help too in finding a suitably shaped and right sized part or parts to come up with something plausible. 
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2014, 01:45:41 AM »
How about using an M41 as a proper, fully-enclosed SPAAG mounting for the 20mm Vulcan instead of the M163? Big, squared-off turret like a ZSU-23-4 but with the Vulcan instead of the quad 23mm, and a radar/EO tracker on the back? The concession to lightness could be that the search radar lives on another vehicle (which is a good idea anyway).

Been thinking about this for a bit & I thought "What about a towed search radar unit?"
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Re: M41 Walker ''Bulldog'' Light Tank
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2014, 12:46:44 PM »
Anyone have an idea of the diameter of the bolt like attachments for add on armor as seen on Stryker and other vehicles?
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