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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2018, 03:55:38 PM »
It's weird but I think I have the toy that minion is sitting in in the "Things I'll find something to do with" box in the shed. :-\
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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #91 on: June 12, 2019, 03:55:11 AM »
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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #92 on: June 12, 2019, 09:30:06 AM »
Too bad it isn't in 1/72 scale.  I lived in the Chicago area back in the day, and the city was surrounded by a belt of Hercules batteries until the 60s.  If you know what you are looking for, you can see you can spot some of the few remaining buildings.

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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #93 on: June 12, 2019, 09:59:00 AM »
Wonder if they will do an alternate marking version for Japanese usage?

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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #94 on: June 12, 2019, 09:48:44 PM »
Too bad it isn't in 1/72 scale.  I lived in the Chicago area back in the day, and the city was surrounded by a belt of Hercules batteries until the 60s.  If you know what you are looking for, you can see you can spot some of the few remaining buildings.

Funny how you can drive by a building or property in the city or town everyday and not know it is a military base. One time when I was still in the UK, I was sent to do a job in a Quarter Master's building, I was given an address and was surprised to see it was something I pass almost everyday. All you see from the road was a very tall, continuous, red brick wall. There was no real indication that it was a military base because at the entrance you went in a gate and had to turn sharply to the right, the brick wall having a joggle right there so you couldn't see inside. Anyway, once checked in I was instructed to follow a perimeter road until I found the Quarter Master's Store and I wasn't escorted either. But the surprise was what the facility was -- a massive fuel dump --- I've never, ever seen so many jerry cans in one place in my life and around the perimeter road were helicopter landing pads, which had those large barrel shaped rubber bladder type fuel tanks that the helicopters would carry.  Another amazing thing was, I was left to myself the whole week I was there --

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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2019, 11:09:13 PM »
I guess they figured you weren’t going to fill up your vehicle with JP4!

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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #96 on: June 13, 2019, 12:42:21 AM »
Well it was an Army base, I think the jerry cans were full of gasoline --- they were all stacked on the large shipping pallets you see getting loaded into C-130's and such, and then each stacked pallet was stacked on top of each other until they were about four high (IIRC but it could have been three high) And there were thousands of them --

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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #97 on: June 14, 2019, 01:25:59 PM »
Well it was an Army base, I think the jerry cans were full of gasoline --- they were all stacked on the large shipping pallets you see getting loaded into C-130's and such, and then each stacked pallet was stacked on top of each other until they were about four high (IIRC but it could have been three high) And there were thousands of them --

I doubt they were full.  There are special storage regulations for full Jerry Cans and bladders, in case of "cooking off".  Downunder, we use natural gullies as much as possible as bunds to prevent the spread of fire if one dump catches alight.

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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #98 on: June 14, 2019, 09:50:33 PM »
Well it was an Army base, I think the jerry cans were full of gasoline --- they were all stacked on the large shipping pallets you see getting loaded into C-130's and such, and then each stacked pallet was stacked on top of each other until they were about four high (IIRC but it could have been three high) And there were thousands of them --

I doubt they were full.  There are special storage regulations for full Jerry Cans and bladders, in case of "cooking off".  Downunder, we use natural gullies as much as possible as bunds to prevent the spread of fire if one dump catches alight.

Quite possible Brian, just remembered something else, there were large pipelines running around the helipads too, so the fuel must have been stored somewhere.  Also I had heard that it was for emergencies, like when we got gasoline rationed back in the 70's. (we didn't get to use the ration cards but everyone who had a current logbook got them, I had four logbooks  ;)  ) 

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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #99 on: June 15, 2019, 02:34:18 AM »
Bulk fuel storage in small containers makes no practical sense considering the shelf-life on untreated fuel would require constant change out of the container contents to maintain fuel that is "fit for consumption/combustion."  Also the stacking of cans as described would indicate that these containers were empty.  Also stacking containers of fuel in small containers has limitations on how high the stack can safely be stored.  The further the fall, the greater the chances of breaking a can on the weld seams if full of fuel. 
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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #100 on: June 15, 2019, 03:22:52 AM »
Depending upon when you saw them, the jerry cans may have made sense.  I understand that until the Alvis Stalwart UBRE (Unit Bulk Refuelling Equipment) was introduced in 1975 for fast combat refuelling of all vehicles but in particular the larger armoured MBT's and APC's of the British Army, the only real alternative in the field was jerry cans.  I may be wrong here though.
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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #101 on: June 15, 2019, 04:13:32 AM »
Depending upon when you saw them, the jerry cans may have made sense.  I understand that until the Alvis Stalwart UBRE (Unit Bulk Refuelling Equipment) was introduced in 1975 for fast combat refuelling of all vehicles but in particular the larger armoured MBT's and APC's of the British Army, the only real alternative in the field was jerry cans.  I may be wrong here though.

That's been my understanding, too.
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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #102 on: June 15, 2019, 09:06:03 AM »
Depending upon when you saw them, the jerry cans may have made sense.  I understand that until the Alvis Stalwart UBRE (Unit Bulk Refuelling Equipment) was introduced in 1975 for fast combat refuelling of all vehicles but in particular the larger armoured MBT's and APC's of the British Army, the only real alternative in the field was jerry cans.  I may be wrong here though.

That's been my understanding, too.

It was around 1975 that I went to that fuel dump too ----

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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #103 on: June 18, 2019, 09:54:48 AM »
Generally, most fuel would be stored in bulk for the reasons given.  However,  on operations, bulk fuel has considerable transport and safety problems associated with it.  It is much easier to decant it into jerry cans and issue the jerry can with fuel as a single unit, receiving back empty ones in return, which are in turn, refilled.   

Generally, we tended to store unfilled jerry cans on pallets, one or two levels high.  Filled ones were stored on pallets only one level high.  Bladders were stored on the ground, surrounded by a low bund, about two feet high, to direct leakages and to prevent the spread of burning fuel.

I've served on refuelling points where decanting occurred.   We were  issued with gasmasks and relieved every four hours, otherwise we became "happy" from the fuel fumes and a danger to ourselves and the fuel depot.  All cigarettes/lighters/matches were confiscated at the start of a shift.  Once you were off shift, you were directed to the showers and given a change of uniform, to prevent skin problems from the fuel soaking into clothing.   It was not my favourite or anybody else's duty, I can assure you.   Even Ammo point was preferred.   


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Re: Freedom Model Kits
« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2019, 04:13:23 AM »
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