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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #125 on: December 12, 2013, 06:13:20 AM »
Random Idea:  Ilmavoimat F-16
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #126 on: December 12, 2013, 06:37:16 AM »
Has anyone done any Canadian F-16s?
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #127 on: December 12, 2013, 06:38:04 AM »
F-16 with Sparrows:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #128 on: December 12, 2013, 10:51:57 PM »
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #129 on: February 09, 2014, 05:45:25 AM »
Don't forget that there was the A-16:  In the 1980's, the USAF started setting aside F-16s for the planned A-16 modification, a dedicated close air support version of the F-16. In 1989, the designation block 60 was reserved for the A-16. The A-16 Block 60 was to be equipped with a 30 mm cannon and provided with a strengthened wing structure for anti-tank weapons such as 7.62 mm min pods. This project failed because the 30 mm gun would heat up and senge the inner components of the left fuselage.

there was also a F/A-16A & F/A-16C.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #130 on: February 09, 2014, 05:56:38 AM »
I remember those, I'm pretty sure that's why I painted my F-16 like I have (sorry, best pic I have of it at the moment)

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #131 on: February 09, 2014, 08:45:20 AM »
Putting a 30mm Gatling in the F-16 would take a large shoe-horn, that's a crowded fuselage and the current 20mm magazine is suspended between the forward and center fuselage segments when the fuselage is joined together (had to research structural fit problems there once upon a time).

They couldn't hang a 30mm Gepod under the fuselage because the structure couldn't hold it steady enough.  Methinks they might have had better luck with the USMC's 25mm GAU-12, but the USAF using a USMC weapon would be an uphill political sell.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #132 on: February 15, 2014, 04:33:00 PM »
They couldn't hang a 30mm Gepod under the fuselage because the structure couldn't hold it steady enough.  Methinks they might have had better luck with the USMC's 25mm GAU-12, but the USAF using a USMC weapon would be an uphill political sell.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #133 on: February 16, 2014, 12:57:42 PM »
It tempts to extend the main wing a bit with a dogtooth as an early Agile Falcon project.     With the advent of Tamiya's absolute jewels, the still-great Hasegawa kits are cheap at shows and with the aftermarket strong, one could have a first rate spurious model for not all that much money.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #134 on: March 07, 2014, 02:30:08 AM »
I remember those, I'm pretty sure that's why I painted my F-16 like I have (sorry, best pic I have of it at the moment)

While going through my stash looking for my Argus (in a near panic  :-\  ) a box I looked in was full of styrene peanuts so I wonder why that was.  Found a bunch of built models I don't remember putting in there.  One was my Airfix F-16B done in SEAC camo.  One day I'll get the decals on but I haven't found any to suit the camo.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #135 on: March 14, 2014, 12:09:38 AM »
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #136 on: March 14, 2014, 09:45:32 AM »
I always find it amazing how a design can go through so many changes that all look so good.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #137 on: March 15, 2014, 04:57:07 AM »
Some information in case anyone wanted to give their F-16 build an interesting twist…to annoy the JMNs:



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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #138 on: March 15, 2014, 05:15:33 AM »
Hmm, mount HARM's instead and have a couple extra hardpoints for a SEAD version?  Same concept applied to an F-2Kai?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #139 on: March 15, 2014, 05:22:24 AM »
I have a F-16CG/CJ.  Looks like it will get two more hard points.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #140 on: March 15, 2014, 05:25:10 AM »
Maybe do a dedicated SEAD F-16 using a two seater
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #141 on: March 16, 2014, 02:19:25 AM »
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #142 on: March 26, 2014, 01:27:23 AM »
Hello everyone, I wanted to make a kind of realistic whif  :o This is new to me as I tend to just stick with the fantasy/sci-fi type stuff.
 

The indians developed a Mig-21type concept (Bison) that got a lot of press after it showed impressive skills in exercises against US aircraft. It was a Mig-21 retrofitted with new avionics and jamming along with HOBs missiles, so it could keep up with more modern aircraft this was from a US pilot talking about a Red Flag:


"The MiG-21 bison is a pretty neat airplane."
"It is based on the MiG-21 as many of you guys know from the Vietnam (War) era, but upgraded with an F-16 radar built by the Israelis in the nose, active radar missile, and they carry an Israeli jammer on it would practically make them invisible to our legacy radar in the F-15 and F-16."
"MiG-21 had the capability to get into the scissors with you, 110 knots, 60 degrees nose high, go from 10,000 feet to 20,000 feet, very maneuverable airplane, but it didn't have any good weapons. Now it has high off bore sight Archer missile, helmet mounted sight, active missile, and a jammer that gets it into the merge, good radar..."

So I wanted to do the same with the F-16 in 1/48 scale features I have so far:

F110 engine, block 30 is supposed to be the "hot rod" F-16 where it had the most thrust and the lightest weight

F-35 style paint:
http://www.vaq34.com/junk/f16_lowvis_001.jpg

pilot with JHMCS,

Aim-9Xs mounted

cockpit with a giant screen (F-35 like)

I'm trying to avoid major surgeries as this would be a lower cost upgrade

I need help on the Jamming/ EW/ Avionics stuff though  :icon_crap:

would it have bird slicers on the nose? internal or external jammers? what type?

Anyone have any details about the CAPES upgrade or the F-16V?

What lumps and bumps should I be adding or taking away?

any other suggestions welcome, I would love to make this a weekend or week long project.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #143 on: March 26, 2014, 10:20:08 AM »
"HOBS"?

Apart from that, anything you do with a MiG-21 means you eventually end up with little left of the original aircraft.  New engine, new radar, new cockpit...

The Israeli-Romanian updated MiG-21, the Lancer was a pretty smart one, which upgraded most of the aircraft in some way.

I've always preferred the later, larger MiG-21s compared to the earlier "sports model" ones.  Something about the way the larger fuselage and conical nose work together.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #144 on: March 26, 2014, 11:10:16 AM »
Not externally visible, but use the F110-GE-132 variant from the F-16E/F for the most "poke".  The "bird slicers" on the nose would be a reasonable update and the OBOGS portion of the CAPES upgrade, at the very least, would be nice in cutting some weight.  I'd probably go with the ESM sensors under the formation lights that the later models have.  Save weight and improve radar performance by going with one of the AESA radars on offer for the F-16 (again, no noticeable external changes).  If memory serves me correctly, the Greek, Chilean, and Polish variants all have a pretty capable ECM system internally mounted (the boxes are in the spine on the two-seaters for those countries).  As an option, you might want to add a suitable IRST (I seem to remember that the F-16E/F has something like that).

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #145 on: March 26, 2014, 03:54:47 PM »
Why not keep the Indian link and use the F-16IN as the inspiration.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #146 on: March 27, 2014, 04:35:41 PM »
Actually f you wanted to do a relatively low cost upgrade you would focus on the internal systems and not really have much to show externally.

However, if one wanted to go the 'whole hog' and spare no expense on creating the Über-F-16 one could consider the following:

Start with all the features of the F-16E/F (Bl0ck 60 series):


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This gives you improved AN/APG-80 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar ( though one may also choose either the SABR or RACR radars instead) , avionics including internal EO and advanced EW, conformal fuel tanks (CFTs), missionized spine etc and the more powerful GE F110-132 engine.

Then maybe give it the LOAN style nozzle:


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And also the Diverterless Supersonic Intake:


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Maybe also develop some stealthy weapons pods such as that proposed for the F/A-18 Super Hornet developments:



Let's say, you develop both centreline and wing pods of this type.  Probably also use the wing tip launchers for some form of EW pod.

Now let's also give some of the doors etc some saw-tooth stealth treatment as well.  And finally give the entire thing a good all over paint job using the F-35's paint.


 
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #147 on: March 28, 2014, 03:44:19 AM »
This is great!! thank you everyone!!
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #148 on: March 28, 2014, 09:53:40 AM »
Actually, I'd give it a mix of the LOAN and AVEN (Axisymmetric Vectoring Exhause Nozzle) for added capability.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #149 on: March 28, 2014, 11:17:51 AM »
Speaking of which, here is the AVEN in action:

F-16 MATV Extended Video (Rare Footage)
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