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F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« on: January 16, 2012, 07:35:43 AM »
The good, the bad (as in badass), and the ugly......

I figured that I'm not the first one to imagine a F-16 armed with weapons not built with US- or Western-related technologies, but this came back to my mind just this afternoon.

Russia used to advertise an "Adjutant" system intended for non-Russian-made aircraft.  It is designed to provide illumination and command guidance for the Russian-made R-27 as well as R-77 missiles and is centred upon the "Epaulet" micro-AESA radar.  I wonder if it can also be used to cue the R-73 WVRAAM......

The Epaulet itself seems pretty small (at least as far as a single radar component goes although I couldn't find its exact size) with an antenna having just 68 transmit-receive modules and weighing just 5kg.  A single set can scan ±45°, azimuth and elevation.

The question is...... how many would I need on a F-16...... and where I can put it/them.  I'm currently thinking two, one at either side of the nose (behind the radome and, in terms of the port side of the ADF variant, where the searchlight would be) or chin intake.  Might need sizeable fairings for the antennae so that the arrays can be angled to scan areas directly ahead, too.

Does anyone have suggestions?
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 10:39:28 AM »
Building on that "bad-ass" one, the same fit, possibly with a HTP or LANTRIN fit, on a F-16F or derivative thereof.

An F-2B-Kai with the full dorsal spine for avionics, an upgraded F110 (same as the F-16E/F) and this kit.

Both, of course, having the enhance RHAW fit of the BLock 50/52+ F-16s.

Other potential "invisible" mods would be an OBOGS instl (fun, that one, did the retrofit kit for USAF Block 50/52 aircraft without it) and, for the F-2B-Kai, either an AESA version of the Japanese radar fitted or a suitable choice from what's available as retrofit options (and there are several).

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2012, 02:00:31 PM »
I thought the F-16I might have some inspirations on possible Epaulet radar mounting option on the nose......

The intake-sides seem to allow for quite a bit of room, too, without interfering with ground attack sensor pod carriage, however.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 04:38:41 PM »
Something simple...a Armée de l'Air F-16. 8)
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2012, 08:47:09 PM »
Something that should have been... RNZAF.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2012, 09:28:56 PM »




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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2012, 09:36:52 PM »
I did a total of 28 Lawn Dart profiles over the years from F-16As to F-16XLs and pretty much everything in between along with a couple of RNZAF F-2s.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2012, 11:12:35 PM »
I've got one F-16 in the stash that'll wear IL ANG markings. I'd love to have a couple of the XLs to play around with in plastic.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 02:42:03 AM »
Here's the revised image of something I did for TaiidanTomcat. He talked about a Soviet-ized F-16. Instead of trying to spell out my take on that, I tweaked an F-16 profile a bit. The original image only had the fixed windscreen, big spine and twin tails. The revised image has a rear-view mirror on the canopy, a tail stinger for a drag chute above the engine nozzle and a MiG-23-style (actually from a Ye-8)  fold-away ventral fin instead of the Viper's twin fins..



<...> I'd love to have a couple of the XLs to play around with in plastic.

I wish they re-released Monogram's 1/72 F-16XL!  :-*
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 03:36:11 AM »
Hmmm...
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2012, 09:13:59 AM »
Well, an obvious one is melding the original Japanese FSX proposal (essentially a F-16C with canards trialed on the F-16CCV et al.) and the production F-2.  I do have an example of the Hasegawa limited-run FSX kit that I'll likely build as is on the airframe side but with upgraded weapons fit.

To some degree, Epaulet looks like it might fit in place of the ESM antennae fitted around the inlet on (at least late) Block 50/52 F-16s though orienting it to be front-facing might require even larger fairings than they have now.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 04:32:39 AM »
A new version of the "Yard Dart"

Lockheed Martin’s Fighting Falcon Evolves With New F-16V


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SINGAPORE, Feb. 15, 2012 – Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] unveiled a new version of the F-16 today at the Singapore Airshow. The F-16V will feature enhancements including an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, an upgraded mission computer and architecture, and improvements to the cockpit – all capabilities identified by the U.S. Air Force and several international customers for future improvements.

With nearly 4,500 F-16s delivered, this is a natural step in the evolution of the world’s most successful 4th generation fighter.  The Fighting Falcon program has continually evolved as it began with the F-16 A/B as the lightweight fighter then transitioned to F-16 C/D and Block 60 versions as customers’ requirements changed.

AESA radars offer significant operational capability improvements. Lockheed Martin has developed an innovative solution to affordably retrofit this key technology into existing F-16s.  The F-16V configuration is an option for new production jets and elements of the upgrade are available to most earlier-model F-16s. The “V” designation is derived from Viper, the name fighter pilots have called the F-16 from its beginnings.

“We believe this F-16V will satisfy our customers’ emerging requirements and prepare them to better interoperate with the 5th generation fighters, the F-35 and F-22,” said George Standridge, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics’ vice president of business development.

The F-16 is the choice of 26 nations. The F-16 program has been characterized by unprecedented international cooperation among governments, air forces and aerospace industries.

Headquartered in Bethesda, Md., Lockheed Martin is a global security company that employs about 123,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services. The Corporation's net sales for 2011 were $46.5 billion.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 05:19:05 AM »
Been on the cards for a while.  It will be interesting to see what radar they choose.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 06:16:07 AM »
I just wonder: they still have letters in alphabet to name all this versions?  ;)

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 10:52:20 AM »
I keep thinking that they should consider having Northrop apply some of their inlet expertise to reducing the signature of the present inlet or in conjunction with incorporating a F-35-style inlet.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2012, 11:35:00 AM »
Mig-16    Both Miggy and Vipery.    The combination works well.  :)

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2012, 08:40:20 AM »
What if during the thawing of relations in the '70s/'80s, the USA provided F-16s ( maybe the J79 version) to the  Chinese?
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2012, 12:08:57 AM »
I had played with mixing and matching an F-16 and MiG-29 a while back.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2012, 12:25:12 AM »
That is a peach Doom!  :-*
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2012, 03:34:59 AM »
That is cool...hmmm, I wonder how one would go modelling that in plastic...
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 12:21:02 PM »
What if during the thawing of relations in the '70s/'80s, the USA provided F-16s ( maybe the J79 version) to the  Chinese?
PRC or ROC?  The F-16/79 was offered to the ROC by the Carter administration.  I could see the PRC buying F-16s that could be re-engined with their license-built afterburning Spey engines.

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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 12:46:17 PM »
PRC of course... ;)
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2012, 04:35:45 AM »
Super F-16 anyone:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2012, 04:41:29 AM »
Some inspiration from the real world:

Thrust Vectoring box nozzles F-16:



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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2012, 04:42:13 AM »
Has anyone tried to model the F-16 with APG-65 radar from the F/A-18:

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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2012, 05:11:35 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2012, 05:13:02 AM »
 ;D
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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2012, 06:41:11 AM »
At first glance the 'Super F-16' has a very MiG-29 look to it.

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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2012, 07:03:55 AM »
I knew that Super F-16 reminded me of something. Went digging and found it. Built by "Desertpilot" for the What-If GB on ARC a couple of years back. The F-2S Viper II!



HERE'S the in-progress thread. I don't think he ever finished it, though.
Hmmm, I've got soo many Hasegawa 1/72 F-2s.... Hmmm....

Has anyone tried to model the F-16 with APG-65 radar from the F/A-18:




The nose, the mouth,.... the resemblance is uncanny!  ;D
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2012, 07:09:46 AM »
What if during the thawing of relations in the '70s/'80s, the USA provided F-16s ( maybe the J79 version) to the  Chinese?
PRC or ROC?  The F-16/79 was offered to the ROC by the Carter administration.  I could see the PRC buying F-16s that could be re-engined with their license-built afterburning Spey engines.

If Tienanmen Incident didn't happen, PLAAF F-16 sure could.

Carter would never sell anything that's an improvement over the F-5E/F and F-104G to Taiwan although GD was definitely enthusiastic about a ROCAF F-16/79 deal.
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« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2012, 12:51:31 PM »
Perhaps an "even handed" approach?  Spey-powered F-16's for the PRC and afterburning TF41s used in the ROC's aircraft.

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2012, 07:50:25 AM »
Super F-16 anyone:




I have to do that! But its going to be covered in red stars  O0


PLAAF Viper:



Coops213 did a whole slug of wonderful vipers:





even the ugly one:



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« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2012, 02:01:01 AM »
A Platypus if I've ever seen one  ;)
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« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2012, 02:36:38 AM »



Someone needs to build that!
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« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2012, 02:40:24 AM »
Don't forget the HARMs, jammer pods, and gold plated canopy if you do  ;)
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« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2012, 03:08:14 AM »
I like the PLAAF  one, thats a bit predictable I know  :icon_ninja:

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« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2012, 06:41:26 AM »

Someone needs to build that!


It would go well with the 3-seat Tomcat seen on a US carrier ;D

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Someone needs to build that!


I agree.  Maybe give it a wood panel paint job for a winged "estate wagon" look :)

F-16XL wings with that 4Pax seating arrangement would look very good. 
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ok boss ... :)

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« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2012, 05:26:08 PM »
Good man! :)
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« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2012, 06:23:55 PM »
doing it as a resin conversion master in 72 scale for a colleague based on the Hasegawa Falcon C kit, altho iv a spare 32 scale example which might look sweet in bigger size, hmm tempting  :o

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« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2012, 04:16:30 AM »
 :)
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« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2012, 04:17:25 AM »
Jose, it needs two engines.... ;)
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« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2012, 04:40:32 AM »
ok boss ... :)



That looks like it could be adapted to fit the SR-71/YF-12 with minimum effort. 



A Platypus if I've ever seen one  ;)

About Platypus... here is a F-16 XL with a duckbill nose!




Neat concept from the plan view.  Wonder how it would appear in profile with the platypus nose? 
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« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2012, 05:02:43 PM »
It looks heavily pregnant. ;D
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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2012, 07:21:02 AM »
Mmmm...
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2012, 12:03:13 PM »
SLICK!!!!!!  Now do some profiles of your baby  8)

What about the 4-seater in a Prowler type role complete with carrier equipment?
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« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2012, 12:24:55 PM »
Super F-16 anyone:




Know your talking!!!
That should take care of some of the thrust-to-weight ratio the traditional F-16 design has lost, since it's first conception!!!

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« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2012, 12:28:42 PM »
Going twin, twinjet and twinfin. Two F-414 should be sufficient and would provide better endurance ???



Know that's a lot of weight and room added to the design, just to make room for a toilet and microwave (aka Sukhoi Platypus)  ;D

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« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2012, 12:30:00 PM »
Okay, take two!  ???



I like this much better JoseFern!!!

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« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2012, 05:38:10 PM »
company artwork Iranian and Australian F.16A Falcon's ...

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« Reply #53 on: July 27, 2012, 03:40:53 AM »
Model by Andrew Doppel:



Another model:



Artwork by Clave:

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« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2012, 03:48:49 AM »
Sweet! The world needs more Vipers in "retro" colours!  :)
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« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2012, 05:17:18 AM »
Interesting early F-16 concept with small canards:

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« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2012, 02:59:19 PM »
Well, before one of my writing partners and I had a falling-out, since she wrote a character who's an F-16 pilot I had conceptualized an F-16XL/IDF Sufa/JASDF F-2 "mixmaster," and while I've abandoned any further thought on the idea for obvious reasons I just thought I'd throw it out if anybody else wanted to play with it.

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« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2012, 09:28:33 PM »



What would look really slick on that would be a butterfly type tail arrangement like the YF-23 had:
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« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2012, 09:59:16 PM »



That illustrator must've spent some long hours on this concept.

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« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2012, 11:57:20 PM »
Hey Greg, you got a bigger version of that Model 1600 cutaway?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2012, 12:06:31 AM »
Thursday's confession:  I find the F-16 all but impossible to Whiff outside a revised paint scheme.   I have no idea why, but that's where it is.   ;D
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« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2012, 12:32:07 AM »
Thursday's confession:  I find the F-16 all but impossible to Whiff outside a revised paint scheme.   I have no idea why, but that's where it is.   ;D

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2012, 01:15:22 PM »
<...> What would look really slick on that would be a butterfly type tail arrangement like the YF-23 had: <...>


Great idea! Here you go!  :)



I was too lazy to do the YF-23-style exhaust, though.  :P 
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« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2012, 01:44:51 PM »
That's plenty cool with or without YF-23 exhaust. I didn't actually envision it with any changes to the engine at all.

Another idea that hit me is to use an F-16 kit as the basis for an aircraft derived from the Rockwell HiMAT:


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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2012, 01:52:15 PM »
Why am I having Beechcraft Bonanza 1950s flashbacks.......  ???

Sweet - looks like a modernization step. :)     Work well on F/A-16XL Strike Viper.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2012, 01:24:21 AM »
Another modification for V-tail Falcon: add  F-22 vector nozzle and bigger wings: maybe MiG-29 shape?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #68 on: October 27, 2012, 04:36:17 AM »
Hey Greg, you got a bigger version of that Model 1600 cutaway?

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« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2012, 06:50:00 AM »
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« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2012, 07:24:44 AM »
is there a model of the himat available?

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« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2012, 09:29:00 PM »
1/72
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #72 on: October 28, 2012, 03:11:29 AM »
is there a model of the himat available?


Muroc Models does one in 1/72

I have actually been after the 1/48 Stratosphere kit for a while but they are out of production.
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« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2012, 03:22:06 AM »
is there a model of the himat available?


Ninfinger does one in 1/72



That's a Muroc Models kit Greg, and they're very hard to get in contact with.

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« Reply #74 on: October 28, 2012, 03:48:47 AM »
Teach me to post before finishing my first coffee ...thanks for picking that up.  Corrected.
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« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2013, 01:12:00 AM »




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« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2013, 03:57:28 AM »
Very nice pics tdt, the pics downsize perfectly on this forum but not on What-If forum.  What's that little vehicle in the background in the second pic, looks like some kinda Dodge with a very short box.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2013, 11:14:38 AM »
kit': That 'Bobtail' is a Chevrolet chassis and cab. The USAF call it a 'Flight-Line Tow Tractor" (sometimes with 'Aerospace-Ground Equipment' spliced in). The maker (NMC-Wollard) calls it a Model BT'. http://www.nmc-wollard.com/specsheets/BobTail-7-12-Sml.pdf
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« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2013, 04:28:36 PM »
dang! did not evan notice the little truck or that its the thunderbirds lined up in the back!
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« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2013, 12:14:09 AM »
Thanks for that Ap', now somewhere I've seen a Chevy truck in 1/72, diecast I think, and what with the ground equipment Aircraft in Miniature does, we could have an addition to the display some time in the future.  That's when I get the display cabinet done of course ----  ;D

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2013, 08:14:25 AM »
This thread over on secretprojects has a lot of potential for wiffery. It has lots of proposals which eventually lead to the f16. Some show the family lineage, others less so. Like the slightly JSF variant with lovely curved ogival wings :)

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1335.0.html


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« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2013, 07:05:36 AM »
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2013, 07:11:12 AM »
Pretty!  :-*

I'd soooo love to see Monogram release their F-16XL again, warts and all.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2013, 07:25:10 AM »
With the current island dispute between Japan and China, I can see a peacekeeping scenario where Mitsubishi F-2A's and B's and  Chengdu J-10B's and S's are flown by observer/peacekeeper personnel say Norwegians, Danes, Indians, Kiwis, and Aussies.   

And that is sort of F-16-ish. 

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #84 on: January 27, 2013, 11:05:19 PM »




As a huge fan of the F-16XL design and its capabilities I love this!!
Any chance of adding a couple of the conformal fuel tanks along the fuselage to go along with that new dorsal spine housing??

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« Reply #85 on: March 08, 2013, 07:17:24 AM »
A long time ago, my Kung Fu master said to me: Grasshopper, have patience, wait a long time, wait quietly and eBay will provide a 1/72 Monogram F-16XL at a good price.  But that does not excuse you from trying to snatch the tube of glue from my hand.  The glue I did not get.

But I finally snagged a F-16XL and here is what I want to. But I need to defer to the those who are more knowledgeable with the F-16 than I am:
  • CMK F-16C Conformal Fuel Tanks
  • Airwaves Israeli  F-16N Avionic Spine
  • F-18 APG-65 Big Nose Radome
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Will the Airwaves and CMK pieces fit on the XL? Does anyone have a F-18 nose they are willing to part with?

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« Reply #86 on: March 08, 2013, 07:35:36 AM »
While not exactly a F-16, the ROKAF T-50 would look great in Aggressor/Adversary paint. 
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« Reply #87 on: March 08, 2013, 08:04:37 AM »
Gimper, the XL has its tail chopped off and a plug spliced in (which pitches the rear up a few degrees from standard as well), so you'd probably have to adjust the spie and CFT's accordingly.

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« Reply #88 on: March 08, 2013, 08:51:09 AM »
A long time ago, my Kung Fu master said to me: Grasshopper, have patience, wait a long time, wait quietly and eBay will provide a 1/72 Monogram F-16XL at a good price.  But that does not excuse you from trying to snatch the tube of glue from my hand.  The glue I did not get.

But I finally snagged a F-16XL and here is what I want to. But I need to defer to the those who are more knowledgeable with the F-16 than I am:
  • CMK F-16C Conformal Fuel Tanks
  • Airwaves Israeli  F-16N Avionic Spine
  • F-18 APG-65 Big Nose Radome
  • Move the landing gear out to crank and use 4 wheel boogies to be taken from a 1/144 Tu-95
Will the Airwaves and CMK pieces fit on the XL? Does anyone have a F-18 nose they are willing to part with?

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Well, first of all, you've going to have to adjust the spine, no matter what.  The spine is applied to two-seaters only in RL and the Monogram kit is a single-seater.  On top of that, the F-16XL is, as Diamondback stated, stretched over the stock F-16 and will need adjustment accordingly there, too.  The CFT's are designed to settle over the wing-fuselage join and would need stretching and adjustment to fit the F-16XL.  The big nose radar is possible, but there are other, less extreme, options to getting the same radar performance (it depends on the time period you're looking at).  Are you looking to move the landing gear from the fuselage to the wing or just modify the landing gear to use 4-wheel boogies on each side?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #89 on: March 08, 2013, 10:56:02 AM »
A long time ago, my Kung Fu master said to me: Grasshopper, have patience, wait a long time, wait quietly and eBay will provide a 1/72 Monogram F-16XL at a good price.  But that does not excuse you from trying to snatch the tube of glue from my hand.  The glue I did not get.

But I finally snagged a F-16XL and here is what I want to. But I need to defer to the those who are more knowledgeable with the F-16 than I am:
  • CMK F-16C Conformal Fuel Tanks
  • Airwaves Israeli  F-16N Avionic Spine
  • F-18 APG-65 Big Nose Radome
  • Move the landing gear out to crank and use 4 wheel boogies to be taken from a 1/144 Tu-95
Will the Airwaves and CMK pieces fit on the XL? Does anyone have a F-18 nose they are willing to part with?

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Well, first of all, you've going to have to adjust the spine, no matter what.  The spine is applied to two-seaters only in RL and the Monogram kit is a single-seater.  On top of that, the F-16XL is, as Diamondback stated, stretched over the stock F-16 and will need adjustment accordingly there, too.  The CFT's are designed to settle over the wing-fuselage join and would need stretching and adjustment to fit the F-16XL.  The big nose radar is possible, but there are other, less extreme, options to getting the same radar performance (it depends on the time period you're looking at).  Are you looking to move the landing gear from the fuselage to the wing or just modify the landing gear to use 4-wheel boogies on each side?

If I understand all the comments, the spine will be short and will need to be extended.
The CFT will also on the short side. Add a splice in the middle? Or leave as is and re-contour?
The landing gear will be moved out to the wing with pods to store them in. Wider stance. This I think will allow me to squeeze in an extra pylon / station. Think of a Garry Anderson design.  It is a Carl thing.
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« Reply #90 on: March 08, 2013, 11:09:20 AM »
I'd splice and stretch the CFT's.  Relocating the MLG should get interesting but would help with ground handling.  You might want to try running the MLG fairing for the gear back to split the flaps with a pointed end similar to the existing fairings between flaps and ailerons or just end the fairing in front of the flap as the housing for the flap actuator.

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« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2013, 04:55:50 PM »
Has anyone tried modelling a F-16 J-79?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2013, 07:38:03 PM »
How about a retro one, i.e. make it look as iif it had been designed in the 1950s?

Some possibilities:

Conventional 3-piece windscreen plus canopy (F-86?)(Scaleorama?)

Replace the multi-petal nozzle with a plain tapered tube which looks like part of the fuselage, with a plain jet pipe inside it.

Replace the front third of the radome with a small conical one (F-104?) and then scribe/blend/paint the rest of it to look like fuselage structure.

Replace the ventral fins and arrestor hook with a single tapering long-chord fin.

Remove all "high-tech" electronics bulges/aerials.

Paint it BMF as though it's made from aluminium, not carbon-fibre.

Call it the Convair F-116, as though it's part of the Century series.
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« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2013, 01:58:16 AM »
I like your thinking.
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« Reply #94 on: March 19, 2013, 02:07:04 AM »
The Vought V-526 approaches that idea.  It looks really good, and your ideas would make it look great!
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« Reply #95 on: March 19, 2013, 02:17:11 AM »
Has anyone tried modelling a F-16 J-79?
I've looked at it.  The fairing for the smaller-diameter exhaust nozzle is easy and the nozzle itself is readily available.  ISTR that the inlet was reduced in size to match the engine airflow requirements, but I don't know exactly how that was done.

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« Reply #96 on: March 23, 2013, 11:27:59 PM »
 Mitsubishi F-2A with a wing planform similar to the Suchoi T-10 prototype.   I like ogival wings.
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« Reply #97 on: March 24, 2013, 03:14:21 AM »
Like these:

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« Reply #98 on: March 24, 2013, 03:27:58 AM »
Has anyone tried modelling a F-16 J-79?
I've looked at it.  The fairing for the smaller-diameter exhaust nozzle is easy and the nozzle itself is readily available.  ISTR that the inlet was reduced in size to match the engine airflow requirements, but I don't know exactly how that was done.

Info I have found:

"Since the J79 engine required a lower airflow than did the F100 turbofan used on all production F-16A/B's, the shape of the air intake was altered. Only external difference between the original, modular designed (and thus easily replaceable) intake section and the new one is the lengthened upper surface of the intake, which extends much further forward, making it an obvious recognition feature. "
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« Reply #99 on: March 24, 2013, 05:00:35 AM »
Yes, that T-10.  :)
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #100 on: March 31, 2013, 05:22:59 AM »
What about an operational version of the original F-16A, I.e. one that was equipped for daylight only operations.  Maybe even in Israeli service as a replacement for the likes of the Mirage 5?
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« Reply #101 on: March 31, 2013, 05:34:22 AM »
 :)

Funny you say. 

Yesterday I was eyeing my old red, white, and blue Monogram F-16 with that very idea in mind.    Covering the canopy with a canvas, since everyone knows what that looks like anyway, would take care of the the kit's biggest ''detail'' shortcoming.    The nose is somewhat more pointed than other 1/48 kits and as far as wheel wells go, I'm rarely turning my kits upside down for an annual gender physical.    Besides IDF, New Zealand went through my mind for a dark green option.   

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« Reply #102 on: March 31, 2013, 06:52:08 AM »
Love the idea of a RNZAF F-16 in the scheme of their A-4KAHUs
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #103 on: March 31, 2013, 07:10:38 AM »
Link to someone's kit and credit given to that builder and/or photographer:

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« Reply #104 on: March 31, 2013, 07:13:36 AM »
Exactly.  No need to pull photo either.
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« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2013, 08:35:50 AM »
For a non-radar pointy nose F-16 variant: 

IR sidewinders on the wing tips
Underwing fuel
Goodrich DB-110 EO/IR pod on the midline.
Whatever engine/intake combination gives the highest speed.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2013, 08:46:59 AM »
What about an operational version of the original F-16A, I.e. one that was equipped for daylight only operations.  Maybe even in Israeli service as a replacement for the likes of the Mirage 5?
A Winslow Wheller special?

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« Reply #107 on: March 31, 2013, 09:07:32 AM »
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #108 on: March 31, 2013, 12:43:07 PM »
For a non-radar pointy nose F-16 variant: 

IR sidewinders on the wing tips
Underwing fuel
Goodrich DB-110 EO/IR pod on the midline.
Whatever engine/intake combination gives the highest speed.
There was a variable ramp inlet designed but, to the best of my knowledge, never built nor flight tested.  Such an inlet would allow you to get up to Mach 2.5 or 2.8.  Any higher would require material replacement to handle the thermal loads.

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« Reply #109 on: March 31, 2013, 12:51:05 PM »
Variable ramp inlet......
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Would that be akin to what is seen on a J-10S or Eurofighter?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #110 on: March 31, 2013, 12:56:03 PM »
Yeah, but it worked with the F-16's intake geometry.  It's been ages since I saw the drawing, but the most noticeable difference was the lower portion extended farther forward than the upper portion with the boundary layer diverter.  It looked somewhat like a fieri inlet.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #111 on: August 14, 2013, 05:32:37 PM »
Random Idea:  Brazilian F-16...maybe second hand ones instead of the Mirage 2000s they have?
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #112 on: August 14, 2013, 09:05:09 PM »
Yeah, but it worked with the F-16's intake geometry.  It's been ages since I saw the drawing, but the most noticeable difference was the lower portion extended farther forward than the upper portion with the boundary layer diverter.  It looked somewhat like a fieri inlet.

So really just an upside-down regular ramp then    -----

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« Reply #113 on: August 15, 2013, 02:00:59 AM »
Yeah, but it worked with the F-16's intake geometry.  It's been ages since I saw the drawing, but the most noticeable difference was the lower portion extended farther forward than the upper portion with the boundary layer diverter.  It looked somewhat like a fieri inlet.

So really just an upside-down regular ramp then    -----

Some what, the side contours and cut were different.  Consider an upside-down squished Vigilante inlet.  The upside-down aspect is a function of where they could put the actuators for the variable internal ramp while working with the existing flow path.

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« Reply #114 on: August 15, 2013, 03:22:11 AM »
Yeah, but it worked with the F-16's intake geometry.  It's been ages since I saw the drawing, but the most noticeable difference was the lower portion extended farther forward than the upper portion with the boundary layer diverter.  It looked somewhat like a fieri inlet.

So really just an upside-down regular ramp then    -----

Some what, the side contours and cut were different.  Consider an upside-down squished Vigilante inlet.  The upside-down aspect is a function of where they could put the actuators for the variable internal ramp while working with the existing flow path.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #115 on: October 11, 2013, 12:23:43 PM »
I am normally a fan of special event markings or paint schemes for military aircraft but I felt this one had to be shared since it is such a fabulous scheme ;)

Revell 1/72 F-16C Block 52 Fighting Falcon Kit Build Review by Chuck Holte

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Not sure if they are trying to do a flame job or tiger stripes or a combination of both.  Certainly flashy. 
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #116 on: October 11, 2013, 02:54:00 PM »
It is real:
F-16C # 87-0241 of the Colorado ANG 120FS/140WG at Buckley AFB. This paint job was applied for the "Tiger Meet of the Americas" in August of 2001.

http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=10714

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« Reply #117 on: October 12, 2013, 12:59:31 AM »
It is real:
F-16C # 87-0241 of the Colorado ANG 120FS/140WG at Buckley AFB. This paint job was applied for the "Tiger Meet of the Americas" in August of 2001.

http://www.f-16.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=10714


I was aware of that, just wanted to share the link so others could enjoy the scale model of the subject since it looks like a combination of flames and tiger stripes so it is not the usual tiger meet livery that you normally see on the aircraft for that event. 
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #118 on: October 13, 2013, 07:29:13 AM »
I have a bunch of ideas

I:  Lightweight design stays lightweight

Notes: The YF-16 was only like 20,500 pounds gross; the production model weighed 26,500
  • Bomb load stays the same as the YF-16 (Less bomb-load means less aircraft weight to support it)
  • Radar, RWR's added (uncertain as to weight increase)
  • Wings are enlarged as necessary to maintain the necessary wing-loading
The idea would be to not add too much weight to the aircraft, the only additions being the radar and electronics as well as possibly some wing enlargements: I don't know if extra fuel would be needed to maintain an adequate fuel fraction interestingl; It would ultimately be a better fighter, while not a bomb-truck -- it could do plenty of bruising and killing as it was designed to.


II: Redesigned LERX by F-16A Stage

Notes: The YF-16 was prone to a deep-stall, as would it's later F-16 models.  This occurred because despite noting a deep-stall tendency on the full-scale test-model; they ignored it in favor of a small scale test model.  While it would have been preferable for the modification to have been made from the outset, it would be fine if it was made by the production stage (In fact it could be better because once you win the contract, you can do whatever you want)
  • The chine would be shortened back to the position of either the canopy rim, the HUD, or the cockpit position
  • The chine would be similar to the YF-16/F-16A where it forms out of the wing, but would be broader and rounded off similar to the YF-17 or F-18
  • Unsure if the chine would need to be thinned or given conical camber any of the way down
  • AoA meter modified to display exact degrees of alpha like the F-15
This would allow the plane to even pull a cobra maneuver; having an alpha limiter would be good for most maneuvers, but frankly, the ability to jack the alpha up to a cobra would be very useful in combat with the limiter able to be turned off. 

Comments: Unsure what effect this would have on acceleration and sustained turning performance across the airspeed and mach-number range; preferably the plane would be kept light like the first concept I illustrated (i.e. the plane's mass kept as close to the LWF as possible with no extra bomb-loads)


III: Redesigned Inlet

Notes: The F-16 was admittedly capable of speeds in excess of Mach 2, but by the accounts of F-104 pilots it was about 300 knots slower (The F-104 could also fly supersonic without burner; technically the prototype could slip through without an afterburner using the J65); considering the fact that the aircraft had flaps that could deflect up producing inverse camber, was naturally unstable and did have substantial supersonic agility, supersonic cruise should be do-able provided a better inlet existed
  • While some supersonic inlets can affect acceleration negatively, not all do
  • The F-104 used a half-cone inlet which was purposefully oversized: The excess air was directed around the engine at all speeds to cool the engine and improve exhaust nozzle efficiency; more air was directed around as the speed went up
  • The XF8U-3 used a fixed inlet with some air skimmed off the sides of the scoop; some skimmed off by a set of louvers at the top of it; some of that flow was dumped by bypass doors along the side of the plane; some airflow went around the engine
  • A ramp similar to the F-16/79 could be incorporated, provided it was appropriately scaled for the airflow requirements of the F100 engine (with bypass vents on the sides, undersides if necessary to deal with airflow issues at higher mach)
Comments/Notes: The easiest approach would be an inlet shape similar to the F-16/79 scaled appropriately to the F100 with bypass vents if necessary on the undersides/sides/both if needed (Still a flattened half cone and/or a Ferri type would look pretty damned slick, though not necessarily as practical)

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2013, 09:50:31 AM »
Navalized F-16

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #120 on: November 12, 2013, 05:05:14 PM »
Interesting.  Certainly different to the real world proposal back on Pg 5 of this thread.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #121 on: November 13, 2013, 09:40:35 AM »
Ha! That's a tricky one  :)
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #122 on: December 10, 2013, 09:40:35 PM »
I've added an older Tamiya F-16 to the stash to become my F-16XL, but I'm running into an issue; it's a left half/right half fuselage breakdown and I'm trying to figure out how to cut it in order to add the additional plugs/length to match the XL three view I have.  Any suggestions?

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« Reply #123 on: December 11, 2013, 02:48:12 AM »
I've added an older Tamiya F-16 to the stash to become my F-16XL, but I'm running into an issue; it's a left half/right half fuselage breakdown and I'm trying to figure out how to cut it in order to add the additional plugs/length to match the XL three view I have.  Any suggestions?


This is something I researched a couple years ago for an operational F-16XL profile drawing I was working on. Need to go back sometime and finish it...

This is a quote from F-16.net that shows how the real plane was modified. Be careful to note that the bottom rear plug was different length compared to the top plug, causing the rear fuselage to be angled upwards.

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The fuselage was lengthened with 56 inches (142 cm) to 54 feet 1.86 inches by 'inserting' 2 new fuselage sections at the junctions between the three main fuselage sub-assemblies: one 26 inch (66 cm) section was inserted at the rear split point, and a 30 inch (76 cm) section at the front one. However, the rear 26in section, was not a continuous segment from the bottom to the top. Below the wing, a 26 inch segment was inserted just aft of the main landing gear, above the wing the segment was still 26 inches long, but inserted 26 inches farther aft than the segment below the wing. This made the section look like a backward "Z". The fuselage lengthening enabled the tail section to be canted up 3 degrees, necessary to prevent the engine nozzle from striking the runway during take off and landing.


http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article1.html

You can see the location of the plugs here in the attached picture. SCAMP is roughly the same as F-16XL, the big difference is the tail, which was supposed to be a normal F-16 horizontal tailplane converted into an all-moving vertical tail.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #124 on: December 11, 2013, 03:07:24 AM »
I like compact airplanes:


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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #125 on: December 12, 2013, 06:13:20 AM »
Random Idea:  Ilmavoimat F-16
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« Reply #126 on: December 12, 2013, 06:37:16 AM »
Has anyone done any Canadian F-16s?
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #127 on: December 12, 2013, 06:38:04 AM »
F-16 with Sparrows:

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« Reply #128 on: December 12, 2013, 10:51:57 PM »
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #129 on: February 09, 2014, 05:45:25 AM »
Don't forget that there was the A-16:  In the 1980's, the USAF started setting aside F-16s for the planned A-16 modification, a dedicated close air support version of the F-16. In 1989, the designation block 60 was reserved for the A-16. The A-16 Block 60 was to be equipped with a 30 mm cannon and provided with a strengthened wing structure for anti-tank weapons such as 7.62 mm min pods. This project failed because the 30 mm gun would heat up and senge the inner components of the left fuselage.

there was also a F/A-16A & F/A-16C.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #130 on: February 09, 2014, 05:56:38 AM »
I remember those, I'm pretty sure that's why I painted my F-16 like I have (sorry, best pic I have of it at the moment)

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« Reply #131 on: February 09, 2014, 08:45:20 AM »
Putting a 30mm Gatling in the F-16 would take a large shoe-horn, that's a crowded fuselage and the current 20mm magazine is suspended between the forward and center fuselage segments when the fuselage is joined together (had to research structural fit problems there once upon a time).

They couldn't hang a 30mm Gepod under the fuselage because the structure couldn't hold it steady enough.  Methinks they might have had better luck with the USMC's 25mm GAU-12, but the USAF using a USMC weapon would be an uphill political sell.

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« Reply #132 on: February 15, 2014, 04:33:00 PM »
They couldn't hang a 30mm Gepod under the fuselage because the structure couldn't hold it steady enough.  Methinks they might have had better luck with the USMC's 25mm GAU-12, but the USAF using a USMC weapon would be an uphill political sell.
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« Reply #133 on: February 16, 2014, 12:57:42 PM »
It tempts to extend the main wing a bit with a dogtooth as an early Agile Falcon project.     With the advent of Tamiya's absolute jewels, the still-great Hasegawa kits are cheap at shows and with the aftermarket strong, one could have a first rate spurious model for not all that much money.
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« Reply #134 on: March 07, 2014, 02:30:08 AM »
I remember those, I'm pretty sure that's why I painted my F-16 like I have (sorry, best pic I have of it at the moment)

While going through my stash looking for my Argus (in a near panic  :-\  ) a box I looked in was full of styrene peanuts so I wonder why that was.  Found a bunch of built models I don't remember putting in there.  One was my Airfix F-16B done in SEAC camo.  One day I'll get the decals on but I haven't found any to suit the camo.

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« Reply #135 on: March 14, 2014, 12:09:38 AM »
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« Reply #136 on: March 14, 2014, 09:45:32 AM »
I always find it amazing how a design can go through so many changes that all look so good.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #137 on: March 15, 2014, 04:57:07 AM »
Some information in case anyone wanted to give their F-16 build an interesting twist…to annoy the JMNs:



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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #138 on: March 15, 2014, 05:15:33 AM »
Hmm, mount HARM's instead and have a couple extra hardpoints for a SEAD version?  Same concept applied to an F-2Kai?

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« Reply #139 on: March 15, 2014, 05:22:24 AM »
I have a F-16CG/CJ.  Looks like it will get two more hard points.
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« Reply #140 on: March 15, 2014, 05:25:10 AM »
Maybe do a dedicated SEAD F-16 using a two seater
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« Reply #141 on: March 16, 2014, 02:19:25 AM »
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« Reply #142 on: March 26, 2014, 01:27:23 AM »
Hello everyone, I wanted to make a kind of realistic whif  :o This is new to me as I tend to just stick with the fantasy/sci-fi type stuff.
 

The indians developed a Mig-21type concept (Bison) that got a lot of press after it showed impressive skills in exercises against US aircraft. It was a Mig-21 retrofitted with new avionics and jamming along with HOBs missiles, so it could keep up with more modern aircraft this was from a US pilot talking about a Red Flag:


"The MiG-21 bison is a pretty neat airplane."
"It is based on the MiG-21 as many of you guys know from the Vietnam (War) era, but upgraded with an F-16 radar built by the Israelis in the nose, active radar missile, and they carry an Israeli jammer on it would practically make them invisible to our legacy radar in the F-15 and F-16."
"MiG-21 had the capability to get into the scissors with you, 110 knots, 60 degrees nose high, go from 10,000 feet to 20,000 feet, very maneuverable airplane, but it didn't have any good weapons. Now it has high off bore sight Archer missile, helmet mounted sight, active missile, and a jammer that gets it into the merge, good radar..."

So I wanted to do the same with the F-16 in 1/48 scale features I have so far:

F110 engine, block 30 is supposed to be the "hot rod" F-16 where it had the most thrust and the lightest weight

F-35 style paint:
http://www.vaq34.com/junk/f16_lowvis_001.jpg

pilot with JHMCS,

Aim-9Xs mounted

cockpit with a giant screen (F-35 like)

I'm trying to avoid major surgeries as this would be a lower cost upgrade

I need help on the Jamming/ EW/ Avionics stuff though  :icon_crap:

would it have bird slicers on the nose? internal or external jammers? what type?

Anyone have any details about the CAPES upgrade or the F-16V?

What lumps and bumps should I be adding or taking away?

any other suggestions welcome, I would love to make this a weekend or week long project.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #143 on: March 26, 2014, 10:20:08 AM »
"HOBS"?

Apart from that, anything you do with a MiG-21 means you eventually end up with little left of the original aircraft.  New engine, new radar, new cockpit...

The Israeli-Romanian updated MiG-21, the Lancer was a pretty smart one, which upgraded most of the aircraft in some way.

I've always preferred the later, larger MiG-21s compared to the earlier "sports model" ones.  Something about the way the larger fuselage and conical nose work together.

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« Reply #144 on: March 26, 2014, 11:10:16 AM »
Not externally visible, but use the F110-GE-132 variant from the F-16E/F for the most "poke".  The "bird slicers" on the nose would be a reasonable update and the OBOGS portion of the CAPES upgrade, at the very least, would be nice in cutting some weight.  I'd probably go with the ESM sensors under the formation lights that the later models have.  Save weight and improve radar performance by going with one of the AESA radars on offer for the F-16 (again, no noticeable external changes).  If memory serves me correctly, the Greek, Chilean, and Polish variants all have a pretty capable ECM system internally mounted (the boxes are in the spine on the two-seaters for those countries).  As an option, you might want to add a suitable IRST (I seem to remember that the F-16E/F has something like that).

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« Reply #145 on: March 26, 2014, 03:54:47 PM »
Why not keep the Indian link and use the F-16IN as the inspiration.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #146 on: March 27, 2014, 04:35:41 PM »
Actually f you wanted to do a relatively low cost upgrade you would focus on the internal systems and not really have much to show externally.

However, if one wanted to go the 'whole hog' and spare no expense on creating the Über-F-16 one could consider the following:

Start with all the features of the F-16E/F (Bl0ck 60 series):


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This gives you improved AN/APG-80 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar ( though one may also choose either the SABR or RACR radars instead) , avionics including internal EO and advanced EW, conformal fuel tanks (CFTs), missionized spine etc and the more powerful GE F110-132 engine.

Then maybe give it the LOAN style nozzle:


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And also the Diverterless Supersonic Intake:


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Maybe also develop some stealthy weapons pods such as that proposed for the F/A-18 Super Hornet developments:



Let's say, you develop both centreline and wing pods of this type.  Probably also use the wing tip launchers for some form of EW pod.

Now let's also give some of the doors etc some saw-tooth stealth treatment as well.  And finally give the entire thing a good all over paint job using the F-35's paint.


 
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« Reply #147 on: March 28, 2014, 03:44:19 AM »
This is great!! thank you everyone!!
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« Reply #148 on: March 28, 2014, 09:53:40 AM »
Actually, I'd give it a mix of the LOAN and AVEN (Axisymmetric Vectoring Exhause Nozzle) for added capability.

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« Reply #149 on: March 28, 2014, 11:17:51 AM »
Speaking of which, here is the AVEN in action:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #150 on: March 28, 2014, 06:09:58 PM »
Wow. That's cool.

How would Bitching Betty deal with those flight orientations?

"Backwards! Backwards!"  or "Pull down! Pull down!"
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #151 on: March 28, 2014, 09:15:32 PM »
In Chinese no less ------ hmm     ::)

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #152 on: March 28, 2014, 09:55:13 PM »
In Chinese no less ------ hmm     ::)

Yes they have already produced a copy but those nasty American companies wont sell the metallurgical tech so they don't work, time for some more industrial espionage.  :icon_ninja:

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« Reply #153 on: March 30, 2014, 06:39:23 AM »
In Chinese no less ------ hmm     ::)

Yes they have already produced a copy but those nasty American companies wont sell the metallurgical tech so they don't work, time for some more industrial espionage.  :icon_ninja:

The last 20 seconds are in Japanese.  And the Chinese is in traditional (Taiwan) rather than simplified (Mainland).

This has got to be the worst friendly-fire excuse I've ever heard  ;D
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #154 on: March 30, 2014, 07:09:25 AM »
And also the Diverterless Supersonic Intake:



That just has to be taken from the X-32 set-up, looks just like it.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #155 on: March 30, 2014, 09:21:51 AM »
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's. 

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #156 on: March 30, 2014, 10:05:33 AM »
Well, here's two build ideas...

1. QUICK & DIRTY:
-Add rails on doors like Aircraft #2 in Greg's prior post--maybe LAU-12x-series with BOL dispensers.
-Shove an F110-GE-X or F100-PW-229A/232 up its backside. (-X is a GE demonstrator variant, putting out 36,500# thrust in Zone 5; PW-229A/232 are both 32,500#.) Definitely needs an AVEN/LOAN hybrid.
-Build on an E/F or a Sufa, with both spine and CFT's.
-Diverterless supersonic inlet.
-Wide Angle Raster HUD?

2. SPARE NO EXPENSE:
-As per Q&D, but:
-Start with a Sufa.
-Modify to an XL config, including stretching spine and CFT's.
-BOL dispensers on all AMRAAM rails including wingtips--or maybe the dual-rail-plus-ECM-pod setup that IIRC Greg posted in another thread I can't find ATM.
-Cram the most powerful engine that'll fit up its arse.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #157 on: March 30, 2014, 02:30:15 PM »
Blend the fuselage into the diverterless supersonic inlet and use the extra volume in place of or in addition to the CFTs.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #158 on: March 30, 2014, 02:38:50 PM »
My vote would be "in addition"--if we go with F110-GE-X there's power to spare anyway, and if we can get even more power we can improve the P/W ratio even with the creep of added gear. Even an engine with equal power but less weight will help move the P/W curve in the right direction...

BTW, does anybody remember where that "dually plus pod" tip was posted? I thought it was something for the AIDC Ching-Kuo and it's something I'm considering for my "F-15 revamped" builds, but I can't seem to find it again to even start looking for ideas.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #159 on: March 30, 2014, 10:03:47 PM »
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's.

Now that's interesting Evan, didn't know that ---

Was it developed with the new XF-X in mind then ?

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« Reply #160 on: March 30, 2014, 10:26:40 PM »
Well, here's two build ideas...

1. QUICK & DIRTY:
-Add rails on doors like Aircraft #2 in Greg's prior post--maybe LAU-12x-series with BOL dispensers.
-Shove an F110-GE-X or F100-PW-229A/232 up its backside. (-X is a GE demonstrator variant, putting out 36,500# thrust in Zone 5; PW-229A/232 are both 32,500#.) Definitely needs an AVEN/LOAN hybrid.
-Build on an E/F or a Sufa, with both spine and CFT's.
-Diverterless supersonic inlet.
-Wide Angle Raster HUD?

2. SPARE NO EXPENSE:
-As per Q&D, but:
-Start with a Sufa.
-Modify to an XL config, including stretching spine and CFT's.
-BOL dispensers on all AMRAAM rails including wingtips--or maybe the dual-rail-plus-ECM-pod setup that IIRC Greg posted in another thread I can't find ATM.
-Cram the most powerful engine that'll fit up its arse.
For "Spare no Expense", go with the advanced option offered the UAE that has a wing very similar to the F-22's and the F-16XL's conformal semi-submerged carriage of four AMRAAMs or equivalent plus wing hardpoints (six, in total, if I remember the illustrations correctly).

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #161 on: March 30, 2014, 10:43:00 PM »
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's.

Now that's interesting Evan, didn't know that ---

Was it developed with the new XF-X in mind then ?
The FSD F-16 that was flown with canards was used for years as an R&D testbed.  It's final role was as a testbed for a variety of JSF technologies including the diverterless inlet.

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« Reply #162 on: April 01, 2014, 06:48:26 AM »
More like the X-32 was taken from it as this modification to the testbed F-16 was done back in the late 1990's.

Now that's interesting Evan, didn't know that ---

Was it developed with the new XF-X in mind then ?

Actually, it was modified by Lockheed to test the F-35's diverterless intakes back in 1996. I need to go back and finish my F-16 profile drawing sometime, I did draw that intake for it too.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #163 on: May 17, 2014, 03:16:48 AM »
Something different:  Iraqi F-16

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #164 on: May 17, 2014, 04:46:13 AM »
Look Ma!  No Pilot!

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« Reply #165 on: May 17, 2014, 04:51:06 AM »
I like the colourful drones :D :)

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« Reply #166 on: May 17, 2014, 09:57:22 AM »
Bah.  Did mine 10 years ago.  I was close!

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« Reply #167 on: May 18, 2014, 03:34:55 AM »
But your's is too pretty to shoot down... ;)
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #168 on: June 15, 2014, 04:25:01 AM »
Random F-16 inspiration thanks to Chris Cooper:













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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #169 on: August 21, 2014, 07:06:17 AM »
Boy oh boy..seeing the resin mockup of the new Kinetic F-16XL made me immediately think Swedish and digital green cammo.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #171 on: October 31, 2014, 07:08:16 AM »
http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/artwork/album221/Block%2070.jpg?m=1371937053

F-16D Block52 fuselage (maybe use two spliced together to get the same length as the F-16XL, cockpit, spine, and vertical tail, canards off a YF-16CCV, AFTI-16, or FSX, kit, and wings off a YF-22 as a starting point; though if Kinetic does a 2-seat F-16XL, that would work just as well (and, yes, Greg, there was at least one 1/48 kit of a YF-16CCV produced - Taiwanese manufacturer, IIRC).

I wonder if this would have the conformal carriage of AMRAAMs as on the extreme UAE proposal (or like the Sparrows on the F-16XL)?
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« Reply #173 on: November 02, 2014, 02:44:24 AM »
(and, yes, Greg, there was at least one 1/48 kit of a YF-16CCV produced - Taiwanese manufacturer, IIRC).



I have seen two:

Zhengdefu:



Kiddyland:


Kiddyland also offer the F-16/79 in 1/48:

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« Reply #174 on: November 02, 2014, 03:36:05 AM »
I've got the Kiddyland one in the remote southern storage.  Never saw the F-16/J79, though; if I run across one, I'd definitely want it.

In 1/72 I've got a few of the F-16CCV, an AFTI-16 conversion kit, and a Hasegawa FSX kit from when it was thought the FSX (later F-2A/B) would use them.

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« Reply #175 on: November 02, 2014, 03:47:43 AM »
Never saw the F-16/J79, though; if I run across one, I'd definitely want it.

IIRC, the kit has stock F-16's intake, not the one supposedly modified for the reduced air inflow requirement of J79.
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« Reply #176 on: November 02, 2014, 10:18:12 AM »
Interesting that the /79 has ROC markings.

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« Reply #177 on: November 02, 2014, 12:48:16 PM »
Interesting that the /79 has ROC markings.

Well they were one of the countries envisaged to get such a variant, and it is a Taiwanese company producing the kit...so in-box whiff!
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #178 on: November 03, 2014, 02:36:31 AM »
Speaking of F-16/79 whiffs, here is a great one Falcon over on Britmodeller recently did:









Any of our members over there want to invite him here?
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« Reply #179 on: November 03, 2014, 03:39:00 AM »
I was going to post something about Falcon's conversion, but I couldn't remember who did it. BTW, he's selling copies of the conversion --- it's 1/72 scale though

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« Reply #181 on: November 03, 2014, 04:02:01 AM »
Sigh…if only they were 1/48... :(
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #182 on: November 08, 2014, 09:14:51 AM »
Something you don't see every day:

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« Reply #183 on: November 08, 2014, 09:58:59 PM »
Sweet, which airforce is that from?

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« Reply #184 on: November 08, 2014, 10:30:11 PM »
Caption on f-16.net says "USAF F-16C": http://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article12.html

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« Reply #185 on: November 08, 2014, 10:35:26 PM »
Thanks

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #187 on: November 20, 2014, 02:39:33 AM »
I was just looking at this photo posted by Ben in another thread:



It would be interesting to see a Canadian F-16 in a similar pale grey and weathered state.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #188 on: November 21, 2014, 08:19:31 AM »
Hard to put a false canopy on a 16. Might be cool looking.

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« Reply #189 on: November 21, 2014, 11:30:10 AM »
Hard to put a false canopy on a 16. Might be cool looking.
ISTR that at least one operator does so; don't remember who, though.

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« Reply #190 on: November 22, 2014, 02:39:52 AM »
At least one of the F-16XLs did have it for a while:

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« Reply #191 on: November 22, 2014, 05:31:01 AM »
Cool!

Always liked the XL, seemed like a neat and effective idea.

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« Reply #192 on: November 22, 2014, 07:53:42 AM »
Looks like they did something similar at the rear of the aircraft, too. ???
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« Reply #193 on: November 22, 2014, 08:51:22 AM »
Even the in flight refueling markings are copied on the underside.

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« Reply #194 on: March 10, 2015, 08:00:18 AM »
fabulous inexhaustible subject:








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« Reply #195 on: March 10, 2015, 11:26:57 PM »
Ooh!  The folded wing version above using the Mitsubishi F-2A.
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« Reply #196 on: March 11, 2015, 02:44:23 AM »
Nice work - what scale?  Are they all scratch built?
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« Reply #197 on: March 11, 2015, 04:23:52 AM »
At least one of the F-16XLs did have it for a while:




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« Reply #198 on: March 11, 2015, 06:31:54 AM »
Looks like they did something similar at the rear of the aircraft, too. ???

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« Reply #200 on: March 25, 2015, 03:22:35 AM »
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« Reply #201 on: March 25, 2015, 05:08:14 AM »
Nice
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« Reply #202 on: July 22, 2015, 02:43:37 AM »
First Iraqi F-16:

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« Reply #203 on: November 02, 2015, 03:30:44 AM »
Interesting image:

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« Reply #204 on: January 24, 2016, 05:16:24 AM »
The various locations of AIM-7 missiles on Navy F-16s...



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« Reply #206 on: February 02, 2016, 10:00:42 PM »
Just perfect!! :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza: :icon_alabanza:

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« Reply #207 on: February 03, 2016, 03:01:07 AM »
Nice!  Invite sent?
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« Reply #208 on: February 03, 2016, 07:19:25 AM »
Nice!  Invite sent?


I can ask, it would be nice to have him here! he is a 1/48 Tomcat Guru

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« Reply #209 on: March 04, 2016, 08:57:39 AM »
This is a real USN F-16N, saw it at the Palm Springs Air Museum last Thursday while on holiday.  I thought the camo was a bit odd ---




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This is a real USN F-16N, saw it at the Palm Springs Air Museum last Thursday while on holiday.  I thought the camo was a bit odd ---




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« Reply #211 on: March 04, 2016, 09:16:22 PM »
Ex- navy bird, so I'm guessing dissimilar air combat training Aggressor? ???
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« Reply #212 on: March 05, 2016, 03:12:18 AM »
Ex- navy bird, so I'm guessing dissimilar air combat training Aggressor? ???


Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.


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« Reply #213 on: March 05, 2016, 08:27:49 AM »
Robert: Are those your lily white winter Canadian calf's? If yes, keep up the good work.  ;D

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« Reply #214 on: March 05, 2016, 08:32:42 AM »

Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.


I thought I read somewhere that what got called the F-16N's were aircraft that were 'dumb-downed' F-16's to be sold to another country which got sanctions placed against it before the aircraft were delivered. Then GD were left with a bunch of aircraft, the solution was to make them Navy aggressors and have the USN buy them. Just didn't think the camo was real or not.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #215 on: March 05, 2016, 09:04:02 AM »

Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.



I thought I read somewhere that what got called the F-16N's were aircraft that were 'dumb-downed' F-16's to be sold to another country which got sanctions placed against it before the aircraft were delivered. Then GD were left with a bunch of aircraft, the solution was to make them Navy aggressors and have the USN buy them. Just didn't think the camo was real or not.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #216 on: March 05, 2016, 10:16:23 AM »

Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.



I thought I read somewhere that what got called the F-16N's were aircraft that were 'dumb-downed' F-16's to be sold to another country which got sanctions placed against it before the aircraft were delivered. Then GD were left with a bunch of aircraft, the solution was to make them Navy aggressors and have the USN buy them. Just didn't think the camo was real or not.
Robert,
I believe you are referring to the F-16/79 FX Export Fighter Program which was a GE J-79 turbojet engine powered version for export to countries not eligible to receive the standard F-16 powered by the PW F-100 engines.


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« Reply #217 on: March 05, 2016, 12:27:58 PM »

Indeed - the F-16Ns were specifically designed for the Navy to be used as agressor aircraft in a dissimilar combat environment. The airframes featured a strenghtened structure and although derivatives of the C/D-models they had the older APG-66 radar installed.



I thought I read somewhere that what got called the F-16N's were aircraft that were 'dumb-downed' F-16's to be sold to another country which got sanctions placed against it before the aircraft were delivered. Then GD were left with a bunch of aircraft, the solution was to make them Navy aggressors and have the USN buy them. Just didn't think the camo was real or not.
Robert,
I believe you are referring to the F-16/79 FX Export Fighter Program which was a GE J-79 turbojet engine powered version for export to countries not eligible to receive the standard F-16 powered by the PW F-100 engines.


F-16N  were originally new built aircraft:
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Production totalled 26 airframes of which 22 are singel-seat F-16N's and 4 are double-seat TF-16N's. The aircraft were in service between 1988 and 1998. At that time hair cracks were discovered in several bulckheads. The Navy didn't have the resources to replace them, so the aircraft were placed into storage at AMARC, ultimately being replaced by embargoed ex-Pakistani F-16s in 2003.

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #218 on: March 05, 2016, 05:46:53 PM »
Did the embargoed ex-Pakistani ones also get converted and designated F-16N?

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« Reply #219 on: March 06, 2016, 03:34:45 AM »
Did the embargoed ex-Pakistani ones also get converted and designated F-16N?

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #220 on: March 06, 2016, 03:37:05 AM »
Did the embargoed ex-Pakistani ones also get converted and designated F-16N?


They seem to retain their F-16A and F-16B designations ... as well as their M61A1s (which were removed on F-16Ns).
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=1100&tid=1150&ct=1

BTW: Wikipedia lists those USN F-16A/Bs as 'F-16C/D' models (which were actually delivered to Pakistan in 2010).
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #222 on: March 12, 2016, 04:39:39 AM »
Very nice work on all.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #223 on: March 12, 2016, 06:12:24 AM »
These builds are toooo good :-*
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #224 on: March 13, 2016, 04:25:56 PM »
Bundesmarine Eurofalcon! Cool!

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« Reply #226 on: May 21, 2016, 05:41:44 AM »
Some nice work there - what scale?
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« Reply #227 on: May 21, 2016, 12:14:04 PM »
Some nice work there - what scale?

I'd guess the one and true scale, Greg.   1/72!   ;)

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« Reply #228 on: June 04, 2016, 04:15:04 AM »
Show must go on





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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #229 on: June 26, 2016, 05:54:11 AM »
Inspiration for twin tailed F-16:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #230 on: June 26, 2016, 08:58:20 AM »
Oh yeah!
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« Reply #231 on: July 20, 2016, 03:36:20 PM »
Yes ist a good idea. I works in





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« Reply #232 on: October 09, 2016, 03:48:07 AM »
Quite an attractive scheme:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #233 on: October 09, 2016, 04:59:08 PM »
Yeah,these birds have arrived at their new home for a week already
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #234 on: December 08, 2016, 03:49:11 PM »
Dedicated RF-16 anyone:

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« Reply #235 on: December 08, 2016, 08:19:41 PM »
Yes please.
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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #236 on: October 31, 2017, 12:19:58 PM »
Stretched F-16 with F-4 wings and tail planes (below is RW F-16 for comparison).


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« Reply #237 on: October 31, 2017, 01:58:25 PM »
Interesting series of drawings, photos, models to study.
Am sure someone here (not me) could build model of stretched F-16.  Do like it. :smiley:

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Re: F-16 Inspirations & Ideas
« Reply #238 on: November 01, 2017, 06:51:30 PM »
How about some Aussie F-16's?

F-16A-r-2 by David Freeman, on Flickr

F-16C-79-03 by David Freeman, on Flickr

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« Reply #239 on: November 01, 2017, 07:58:31 PM »
Nice

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« Reply #240 on: November 02, 2017, 07:07:49 AM »
Indeed :smiley:
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« Reply #241 on: November 03, 2017, 01:17:14 AM »
Some alternatives to integrate F-4 and F-16



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« Reply #242 on: March 30, 2018, 03:28:29 AM »


Now to become reality (though probably not in Clave's cool scheme):

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Croatia Set to Buy Aging Israeli Fighter Jets In $500 Million Deal
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ZAGREB, Croatia --- Croatia is set to buy a squadron of F-16 fighter jets from Israel to modernize its military, after the country’s top defense body backed the deal.

Zagreb launched a tender offer last year to acquire military jets to replace its outdated Russian-made MiG-21s.

Apart from Israel, the countries invited to submit bids included Greece, South Korea, Sweden and the United States.

“The defense council… has accepted that Israel made the best offer and gave a recommendation to the government to decide on acquiring” the Israeli planes, the defense council said in statement late Tuesday.

The deal to buy 12 already used F-16 jets, worth $500 million according to media reports, has yet to be confirmed by the government, but the approval is believed to be just a formality.

“It is a historic decision… a project guaranteeing Croatia’s security and sovereignty,” Defense Minister Damir Krsticevic told the state-run HR radio Wednesday.

The minister has said he expected the first jets to arrive in 2020, and the remaining ones by 2022.

Top Croatian officials have voiced concern over the condition of the country’s MiG-21s. Media reports said that only four of the 12 were fully operational.

Croatia joined NATO in 2009 and the European Union four years later.

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« Reply #243 on: June 24, 2018, 07:48:17 PM »
F-16XL profiles from John Lacey.


RCAF-CF-166XL-02
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